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This is interesting. So that concludes the niceties I guess.

See how the world changes in 15 years. When we got into WTO, the US sees us as little more than a minor nation that they can change and control.

Fast forward the best they can do is bad mouth us.


"But even then I knew I'd find a much better place, Either with or without you, The five years we have had have been such good at times, I still love you."


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Washington has warned Brussels against granting China ‘market economy status’, saying the long-sought trade concession could hamper efforts to prevent Chinese companies flooding US and European markets with unfairly cheap goods.

Achieving market economy status (MES) at the World Trade Organisation is one of China’s core strategic goals. Among other benefits, it would make it far more difficult for the US or EU to impose steep tariffs on Chinese companies for unfairly dumping low-cost goods on their markets.

US officials have warned EU counterparts that granting Beijing MES would amount to “unilaterally disarming” Europe’s trade defences against China. In private, they are scathing about the move, which they see as the latest example of Europeans seeking to curry favour with Beijing to gain billions of euros in investment.

But the European Commission, the EU’s executive arm, is growing increasingly sympathetic to China’s pleas. The commission is expected to make its decision as early as February.

German chancellor Angela Merkel is supportive of the idea while George Osborne, the UK chancellor who has spearheaded Britain’s courtship of Beijing, is a firm advocate.

Other European governments, led by Italy, and a growing swell of European labour unions and traditional industries — including steel, ceramics and textiles — are strongly opposed. Partly at their prompting, senior US trade officials have repeatedly raised their concerns with their European counterparts in recent months.

The debate centres on a dispute over the terms of China’s agreement of accession to the World Trade Organisation in 2001. Beijing has long interpreted the accord to mean that it would automatically be designated a market economy at the end of 2016.

But many trade lawyers disagree with this reading of the rules. Opponents argue that Beijing’s hand in setting prices, providing subsidies to an array of industries and other statist policies should disqualify it from MES.

“China was accepted into the WTO almost 15 years ago on an expectation that it would now be a market economy. It is not and it would be wrong to treat it as such when it meets so few of the criteria,” said David Martin, a British Labour member of the European Parliament, which would have to support any commission proposal for MES.

Supporters see MES as a way to win favour in Beijing, while critics argue it will kill industries

The EU’s deliberations come at a particularly sensitive moment for Europe’s steel industry, which has lost a fifth of it workforce since 2009 and blames many of its woes on unfairly cheap Chinese imports.

At the same time, the commission is keen to repair trade relations with China after a string of acrimonious disputes in recent years. It is seeking big Chinese investments in a €300bn infrastructure fund designed to rekindle flagging growth in Europe.

The commission declined to comment on its decision, which officials say is still under consideration. However, diplomats and businessmen involved in the process say momentum is building for a positive decision on MES in the first quarter of 2016.

“Brussels’ attitude towards China is better than Washington’s,” said Tu Xinquan, a trade expert at the University of International Business and Economics in Beijing. “Of course, EU industries won’t welcome market economy status for China. But I think it’s quite likely to be granted.”

Under WTO rules, China’s non-market economy status gives the US and EU far greater latitude in determining the fair cost of production for Chinese companies when conducting anti-dumping investigations. As a consequence, say trade lawyers, that has made it easier for complainants to prove their cases against China.

The Obama administration, which is being cheered on by US industry, is advocating a policy of inaction, which would force China to bring a challenge in the WTO and thus put the onus on Beijing to prove that its state-heavy economic model has met all the criteria for MES.
 
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If they don't give the MES, just systematically remove Western companies from the Chinese market and give Chinese companies full access to the 2nd largest consumer market in the world.

They want to play hardball, China can too.

Internet sector is the perfect blueprint to develop domestic industries. Just use some excuse to ban foreign firms and let domestic firms thrive and grab market share.
 
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Well I guess the wound licking days are over and the bully feels tough again.:D:D
 
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America is the crying superpower. :lol:

They've been crying the entire last decade. Crying about the Yuan, crying about trade, crying about the AIIB, crying about the UK getting closer to China, crying about Europe getting closer to China, crying about hacking, crying about space weapons, crying about DF-21D, crying about this, crying about that.

And let's not even mention their crying about Russia.

Who the Hell can respect a superpower that cries all day, and always gets ignored. Even by their own allies. :lol:

Behave like a superpower, not like a pathetic crybaby.
 
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Since Obama, the US do not act like a real superpower anymore. With either Clinton, Trump or who else to be president next year, I do not think they can resume their previous position in international stage. Their time is over.
 
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America is the crying superpower. :lol:

They've been crying the entire last decade. Crying about the Yuan, crying about trade, crying about the AIIB, crying about the UK getting closer to China, crying about Europe getting closer to China, crying about hacking, crying about space weapons, crying about DF-21D, crying about this, crying about that.

And let's not even mention their crying about Russia.

Who the Hell can respect a superpower that cries all day, and always gets ignored. Even by their own allies. :lol:

Behave like a superpower, not like a pathetic crybaby.

This is what we call sour grapes my friend. The Americans have been creating problems and are now at the receiving end. From ISIS to a weaker performing economy. It is a complete mess. Meanwhile, China has been reaping the rewards of wise investments and policies. The Americans are in panic mode and the desperate warning is enough testimony. China is smiling and doing whatever needs to be done. The Americans are fuming and feeling insecure with a rising China.

Just to put things into perspective, many GOP voters are now vying for a candidate like Donald Trump. That tells us how far the US has fallen. They are frustrated and angry.
 
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America is the crying superpower. :lol:

They've been crying the entire last decade. Crying about the Yuan, crying about trade, crying about the AIIB, crying about the UK getting closer to China, crying about Europe getting closer to China, crying about hacking, crying about space weapons, crying about DF-21D, crying about this, crying about that.

And let's not even mention their crying about Russia.

Who the Hell can respect a superpower that cries all day, and always gets ignored. Even by their own allies. :lol:

Behave like a superpower, not like a pathetic crybaby.

Well I agree with you. But US is never to be underestimated. A chauvenist republican in the office can change a lot of things. Of course a harder set of actions against China will also hurt US a lot. But still they have a lot of means to fight back.

Obama is a very unique and delicate person. I like his civil manners. But a person like Trump or Scott Walker won't be as near civil as Obama.
 
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This is interesting. So that concludes the niceties I guess.

See how the world changes in 15 years. When we got into WTO, the US sees us as little more than a minor nation that they can change and control.

Fast forward the best they can do is bad mouth us.


"But even then I knew I'd find a much better place, Either with or without you, The five years we have had have been such good at times, I still love you."


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Washington has warned Brussels against granting China ‘market economy status’, saying the long-sought trade concession could hamper efforts to prevent Chinese companies flooding US and European markets with unfairly cheap goods.

Achieving market economy status (MES) at the World Trade Organisation is one of China’s core strategic goals. Among other benefits, it would make it far more difficult for the US or EU to impose steep tariffs on Chinese companies for unfairly dumping low-cost goods on their markets.

US officials have warned EU counterparts that granting Beijing MES would amount to “unilaterally disarming” Europe’s trade defences against China. In private, they are scathing about the move, which they see as the latest example of Europeans seeking to curry favour with Beijing to gain billions of euros in investment.

But the European Commission, the EU’s executive arm, is growing increasingly sympathetic to China’s pleas. The commission is expected to make its decision as early as February.

German chancellor Angela Merkel is supportive of the idea while George Osborne, the UK chancellor who has spearheaded Britain’s courtship of Beijing, is a firm advocate.

Other European governments, led by Italy, and a growing swell of European labour unions and traditional industries — including steel, ceramics and textiles — are strongly opposed. Partly at their prompting, senior US trade officials have repeatedly raised their concerns with their European counterparts in recent months.

The debate centres on a dispute over the terms of China’s agreement of accession to the World Trade Organisation in 2001. Beijing has long interpreted the accord to mean that it would automatically be designated a market economy at the end of 2016.

But many trade lawyers disagree with this reading of the rules. Opponents argue that Beijing’s hand in setting prices, providing subsidies to an array of industries and other statist policies should disqualify it from MES.

“China was accepted into the WTO almost 15 years ago on an expectation that it would now be a market economy. It is not and it would be wrong to treat it as such when it meets so few of the criteria,” said David Martin, a British Labour member of the European Parliament, which would have to support any commission proposal for MES.

Supporters see MES as a way to win favour in Beijing, while critics argue it will kill industries

The EU’s deliberations come at a particularly sensitive moment for Europe’s steel industry, which has lost a fifth of it workforce since 2009 and blames many of its woes on unfairly cheap Chinese imports.

At the same time, the commission is keen to repair trade relations with China after a string of acrimonious disputes in recent years. It is seeking big Chinese investments in a €300bn infrastructure fund designed to rekindle flagging growth in Europe.

The commission declined to comment on its decision, which officials say is still under consideration. However, diplomats and businessmen involved in the process say momentum is building for a positive decision on MES in the first quarter of 2016.

“Brussels’ attitude towards China is better than Washington’s,” said Tu Xinquan, a trade expert at the University of International Business and Economics in Beijing. “Of course, EU industries won’t welcome market economy status for China. But I think it’s quite likely to be granted.”

Under WTO rules, China’s non-market economy status gives the US and EU far greater latitude in determining the fair cost of production for Chinese companies when conducting anti-dumping investigations. As a consequence, say trade lawyers, that has made it easier for complainants to prove their cases against China.

The Obama administration, which is being cheered on by US industry, is advocating a policy of inaction, which would force China to bring a challenge in the WTO and thus put the onus on Beijing to prove that its state-heavy economic model has met all the criteria for MES.
Americans. Have a history of waging a war against those nations that change the foreign exchange base from dollars or try to make a parallel international economic financial system they start with sanctions media campaigns instigate civil unrest and then invasion
Whether they succeed against China or how far they will go is debatable but there is no doubt in their tendency
 
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Americans. Have a history of waging a war against those nations that change the foreign exchange base from dollars or try to make a parallel international economic financial system they start with sanctions media campaigns instigate civil unrest and then invasion
Whether they succeed against China or how far they will go is debatable but there is no doubt in their tendency

Every nation does this pursuit of national interests, Sir, not just Americans. Do you think China or Russia or Europe is doing anything different?
 
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Americans. Have a history of waging a war against those nations that change the foreign exchange base from dollars or try to make a parallel international economic financial system they start with sanctions media campaigns instigate civil unrest and then invasion
Whether they succeed against China or how far they will go is debatable but there is no doubt in their tendency

Exactly, see this:


America warned all their allies against joining China's AIIB.

But all their allies ignored them and ended up joining.

Even America's "best friend" Britain is trying to be China's "best partner in the West".

Cameron hails UK as 'China's best partner in west' as he signs £40bn China deal | The Guardian

America needs to get out of their zero-sum (I-win-you-lose) Cold War mentality.
 
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USA is finally realising that the rest of the World wants to trade with a real economy, that produces and delivers goods, and not one that exports its inflation overseas, by printing worthless Dollars, and threatening any country that doesn't want to be part of this racket. This is why USA is so desperate to keep control in Middle East and Far East, but USA's days of getting free lunch are coming to an end. Even USA's closest allies in Europe are understanding that the World is changing and trade is going to be about exchanging of real goods/materials and not pushing numbers around on a computer and printing more money.
 
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Former U.S President Jimmy Carter has said the United States is losing its global influence and believes a bunch of developing countries such as China, India and others will be filling that vacuum.

“As they increase in economic and cultural influence, it will replace a lot of the power and preeminence the U.S has enjoyed in the past,” Carter said in a media interview. Carter is now on a media wave for discussing his newly released book, “A Full Life.”

Speaking on MSNBC's Morning Joe, Carter said the U.S. is suffering "an inevitable relative decline in role influence" around the world and predicted China will "succeed the United States as the number one economic power in the world. We're in an inevitable decline in role influence. Not because of any fault of ours, but it's inevitable. I think economically, China will soon, you know, succeed the United States as the number one economic power in the world," Carter declared.

Middle East Peace

Carter sounded diffident about America’s attempts to forge a peace deal in the Middle East. “I don’t see any prospect in the immediate future for any progress to be made in terms of making peace between Israelis and the Palestinians," he said.

Carter said the fading influence of the U.S is getting reflected in the United Nations also. He said influence in politics is shifting inside the United Nations and the ability of the United States to use its influence to change situations is dimishing. At the same time, Carter said he was not blaming President Obama, but only attributing his prediction to a power vacuum left by the United States to "evolutionary, unavoidable circumstances."

BRICS Surge

Carter sees a combination of China, India and Brazil and South Africa and others to be increasing economic and cultural influence and replacing the power and pre-eminence the United States enjoyed in the past. “So we're having whether we like it or not to accommodate that necessity of realizing other people are going to be as powerful and as influenced as we are in some aspects of life, not militarily. We'll stay preeminent there for a long time. But I think economically, China will soon, you know, succeed the United States as the number one economic power in the world.”

Jimmy Carter Says US in Inevitable Decline: Sees China As Future Economic Power

US warns EU? Isn't that hilarious? Thanks to the US EU is facing Muslim problems and Europeans know it. Then there's the economic slowdown that continues to plague the world. In order to stimulate growth Europe definitely want to increase economic cooperation with China. Cameron understood very well after pissing China off and this time didn't want to see the Dalai Lama. The red carpet treatment with all the bells and whistles from the British Royal family sure conveyed China that they are desperate for Chinese investment. Didn't many Indians and Viets here said China needs Japan more than vice versa after the political blunder from Abe for buying Diaoyu island? It was Abe who crawled on his knees after Japan saw the damage done to the Japanese economy. China's rise is inevitable and there's nothing that can stop us, US will have to accommodate China whether they like it or not.
 
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No one cares what US says about China's market-economy status

The WTO has a very good track record of being impartial and fair.

If the United States and Europe do not grant China market-economy status by the end of 2016, China only has to sue the non-complying party at the WTO.

This is pretty straightforward.

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Many years ago, the US talked about blocking China from freely exporting its textiles under the WTO. The US gave up and complied with its WTO obligation.

I expect the US neocons to make noises, but they will have to comply with the WTO treaty. The language is very clear. China is to be accorded market economy status at the end of 2016. The 15-year waiting period is over.

An interim approach is to continue China's reciprocal anti-dumping duties. US imposed unfair anti-dumping duties on Chinese tires and China retaliated against American chickens.

US imposed unfair anti-dumping duties on Chinese photovoltaic (PV) panel manufacturers and China retaliated against US polysilicon manufacturers.

China can keep playing this eye-for-an-eye game until the WTO makes a ruling.
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EU Lawyers Favor Market-Economy Status for China Next Year - WSJ

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Since Obama, the US do not act like a real superpower anymore. With either Clinton, Trump or who else to be president next year, I do not think they can resume their previous position in international stage. Their time is over.

The problem is not solely the Obama regime, but it's the fact that US national prowess and influence has steadily declined and is continuing to decline in relative of other global powers such as the resurgence of China and a more proactive Russia.
 
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