US War on Terror inspires more terror

[lem34]

US War on Terror inspires more terror

RTPublished: 08 September, 2011, 12:21


As the US prepares to mark 10 years since the 9/11 attacks, the results of the huge backlash it triggered are under scrutiny. A decade of military campaigns overseas has been accompanied by headlines of torture, secret prisons and civilian deaths.

*One of the deadliest terrorist attacks in history has ushered in a decade of anti-terror campaigns across the globe. But are America and the world now a safer place 10 years on?

The most recent 9/11 Commission Report Card gives aviation security in the US the worst grade – an F. As for terrorists, experts say the methods used to fight them have spawned even more extremism.

“Torture and the abuses, which weren’t just in Abu Ghraib or in Guantanamo, which were sanctioned at the highest level, occurred in all theaters, and that has significantly set us back since 9/11 in trying to defeat terrorism,” says Matthew Alexander, an interrogator in Iraq and author of Kill or Capture.

Following 9/11, America did not just go after the perpetrators. It unleashed a campaign on a nation that had nothing to do with the attack.

Hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians have died since the US invasion in 2003. America’s decade-long campaign on terror has created a new phenomenon: war without borders. And, as many say, without rules.

The torture, rape and murder that took place at the US-run prison in Abu Ghraib, Iraq, as well as other US prisons overseas, brought global condemnation. But key decision-makers in the Bush administration say what they did was in the best interest of their country and they would do the same again.

In his recent interview, Dick Cheney, Vice President of the United States in George W. Bush’s administration from 2001-2009, did not hesitate to confirm this stance.

NBC News:Even though people call it torture, you think it should still be a tool?

Cheney:Yes.

I have felt for some time that it is right to catch and try criminal terrorists in the courts but at the same time we need to look at what creates terrorist

 

[VCheng]

At least give the link and the complete text from the RT website:

US War on Terror inspires more terror — RT

As the US prepares to mark 10 years since the 9/11 attacks, the results of the huge backlash it triggered are under scrutiny. A decade of military campaigns overseas has been accompanied by headlines of torture, secret prisons and civilian deaths.

*One of the deadliest terrorist attacks in history has ushered in a decade of anti-terror campaigns across the globe. But are America and the world now a safer place 10 years on?

The most recent 9/11 Commission Report Card gives aviation security in the US the worst grade – an F. As for terrorists, experts say the methods used to fight them have spawned even more extremism.

“Torture and the abuses, which weren’t just in Abu Ghraib or in Guantanamo, which were sanctioned at the highest level, occurred in all theaters, and that has significantly set us back since 9/11 in trying to defeat terrorism,” says Matthew Alexander, an interrogator in Iraq and author of Kill or Capture.

Following 9/11, America did not just go after the perpetrators. It unleashed a campaign on a nation that had nothing to do with the attack.

Hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians have died since the US invasion in 2003. America’s decade-long campaign on terror has created a new phenomenon: war without borders. And, as many say, without rules.

The torture, rape and murder that took place at the US-run prison in Abu Ghraib, Iraq, as well as other US prisons overseas, brought global condemnation. But key decision-makers in the Bush administration say what they did was in the best interest of their country and they would do the same again.

In his recent interview, Dick Cheney, Vice President of the United States in George W. Bush’s administration from 2001-2009, did not hesitate to confirm this stance.

NBC News:Even though people call it torture, you think it should still be a tool?

Cheney:Yes.

NBC:Rendition?

Cheney:Yes.

NBC:Secret prisons?

Cheney:Yes.

NBC:Wiretapping?

Cheney:Well, with the right approval…

Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson was Colin Powell’s chief of staff when the latter was secretary of state under George W. Bush. He says some of the Bush administration members deserve to be put on trial, and he would be ready to testify against them.

“George Tenet [the head of the CIA] told Dick Cheney what Dick Cheney wanted to hear: ‘Oh, yes! It’s working, Mr. Vice President! We’re getting great information and we are stopping terrorism.’ That is utter BS!” Wilkerson said.

The fact that there has not been a single successful terrorist attack on US soil since 9/11 is often attributed to the harsh methods used in the last decade of war on terror. But counterterrorism experts say the fact that terrorists are recruiting thousands of new members these days does not add to security in the US, nor the whole world for that matter.

“We’ve also seen other extremist networks rising [other than Al-Qaeda], like Al-Gani network, swelling rings, in response to things like US drone attacks in Pakistan. So in some ways, there’s also been a diversification of recruits into other extreme organizations,” Matthew Alexander explains.

In Pakistan, US drone strikes have killed thousands of civilians and netted only a handful of actual terrorists. Many of the victims’ loved ones seek revenge by joining radical groups. Others gather in protests. But experts say those pleas mean nothing when Washington needs the chase to go on.

“We have made a cut-edge industry, if not much more than a cut-edge industry, out of what my former boss Colin Powell called ‘the terrorist industrial complex.’ Lots of people are making lots of money off of this so-called ‘War on Terror’,” Wilkerson added.

“Our War on Terror begins with Al-Qaeda, but it does not end there,” George W. Bush once said.

Listening to his declaration of War on Terror from 10 years ago, one is left wondering whether it was the beginning of a vicious circle, where the revenge would take more innocent lives and would start a new wave of terror.

 

[lem34]

Sorry for not getting second part of the article. But i did give the source just before the date. Would you like to comment on the contents Mr american Lova

At least give the link and the complete text from the RT website:

US War on Terror inspires more terror — RT

As the US prepares to mark 10 years since the 9/11 attacks, the results of the huge backlash it triggered are under scrutiny. A decade of military campaigns overseas has been accompanied by headlines of torture, secret prisons and civilian deaths.

*One of the deadliest terrorist attacks in history has ushered in a decade of anti-terror campaigns across the globe. But are America and the world now a safer place 10 years on?

The most recent 9/11 Commission Report Card gives aviation security in the US the worst grade – an F. As for terrorists, experts say the methods used to fight them have spawned even more extremism.

“Torture and the abuses, which weren’t just in Abu Ghraib or in Guantanamo, which were sanctioned at the highest level, occurred in all theaters, and that has significantly set us back since 9/11 in trying to defeat terrorism,” says Matthew Alexander, an interrogator in Iraq and author of Kill or Capture.

Following 9/11, America did not just go after the perpetrators. It unleashed a campaign on a nation that had nothing to do with the attack.

Hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians have died since the US invasion in 2003. America’s decade-long campaign on terror has created a new phenomenon: war without borders. And, as many say, without rules.

The torture, rape and murder that took place at the US-run prison in Abu Ghraib, Iraq, as well as other US prisons overseas, brought global condemnation. But key decision-makers in the Bush administration say what they did was in the best interest of their country and they would do the same again.

In his recent interview, Dick Cheney, Vice President of the United States in George W. Bush’s administration from 2001-2009, did not hesitate to confirm this stance.

NBC News:Even though people call it torture, you think it should still be a tool?

Cheney:Yes.

NBC:Rendition?

Cheney:Yes.

NBC:Secret prisons?

Cheney:Yes.

NBC:Wiretapping?

Cheney:Well, with the right approval…

Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson was Colin Powell’s chief of staff when the latter was secretary of state under George W. Bush. He says some of the Bush administration members deserve to be put on trial, and he would be ready to testify against them.

“George Tenet [the head of the CIA] told Dick Cheney what Dick Cheney wanted to hear: ‘Oh, yes! It’s working, Mr. Vice President! We’re getting great information and we are stopping terrorism.’ That is utter BS!” Wilkerson said.

The fact that there has not been a single successful terrorist attack on US soil since 9/11 is often attributed to the harsh methods used in the last decade of war on terror. But counterterrorism experts say the fact that terrorists are recruiting thousands of new members these days does not add to security in the US, nor the whole world for that matter.

“We’ve also seen other extremist networks rising [other than Al-Qaeda], like Al-Gani network, swelling rings, in response to things like US drone attacks in Pakistan. So in some ways, there’s also been a diversification of recruits into other extreme organizations,” Matthew Alexander explains.

In Pakistan, US drone strikes have killed thousands of civilians and netted only a handful of actual terrorists. Many of the victims’ loved ones seek revenge by joining radical groups. Others gather in protests. But experts say those pleas mean nothing when Washington needs the chase to go on.

“We have made a cut-edge industry, if not much more than a cut-edge industry, out of what my former boss Colin Powell called ‘the terrorist industrial complex.’ Lots of people are making lots of money off of this so-called ‘War on Terror’,” Wilkerson added.

“Our War on Terror begins with Al-Qaeda, but it does not end there,” George W. Bush once said.

Listening to his declaration of War on Terror from 10 years ago, one is left wondering whether it was the beginning of a vicious circle, where the revenge would take more innocent lives and would start a new wave of terror.

And as I said we must catch these evil terrorists but we should also stop creating new ones

 

[VCheng]

Sorry for not getting second part of the article. But i did give the source just before the date. Would you like to comment on the contents Mr american Lova



And as I said we must catch these evil terrorists but we should also stop creating new ones

What do you want me to say about a Russian propaganda source when the Russian atrocities in Chechnya are well known? Or do you want to forget that?

 

[lem34]

What do you want me to say about a Russian propaganda source when the Russian atrocities in Chechnya are well known? Or do you want to forget that?

You want evidence what more do you want. Shame on you you would still support america even if they piled up the bodies of innocent people in front of you. They are quoting the american vp condoning torture etc. I expect you to say oh and then what happend.

 

[VCheng]

You want evidence what more do you want. Shame on you you would still support america even if they piled up the bodies of innocent people in front of you. They are quoting the american vp condoning torture etc. I expect you to say oh and then what happend.

All I am saying is why don't you present evidence of Russian atrocities in Chechnya too if you are so protective of Muslim's rights everywhere?

Or is it just because you are only concentrating on expressing your hatred of USA to the exclusion of everything else?

 

[lem34]

All I am saying is why don't you present evidence of Russian atrocities in Chechnya too if you are so protective of Muslim's rights everywhere?

Or is it just because you are only concentrating on expressing your hatred of USA to the exclusion of everything else?

So you are saying its ok that americans do cos the russians are doing it/

 

[VCheng]

So you are saying its ok that americans do cos the russians are doing it/

No, I have called what happened at Abu Ghraib abhorrent and wrong previously as well.

What I am saying is that you come across as someone on a single-minded mission of hatred with a set agenda, and that is never a good sign.

 

[kugga]

No, I have called what happened at Abu Ghraib abhorrent and wrong previously as well.

What I am saying is that you come across as someone on a single-minded mission of hatred with a set agenda, and that is never a good sign.

So you want to say wats written in the article is just BS. Nothing's going on in Abu ghareb jail... Iraq do had a connection with WOT, Drones are not producing more terrorists ??

I m sorry but I m unable to understand why you want to go to the source of article and don't want to discuss the content of article

 

[VCheng]

So you want to say wats written in the article is just BS. Nothing's going on in Abu ghareb jail... Iraq do had a connection with WOT, Drones are not producing more terrorists ??

I m sorry but I m unable to understand why you want to go to the source of article and don't want to discuss the content of article

I can discuss the content too, no problem, but I just wanted to start with the fact that the quoted article was a Russian piece, and partly quoted initially by the OP, who, so far, has had a distinct agenda of blind hatred towards USA.

I have called Abu Ghraib wrong before, and I will call it again the abhorrent event that it was, surely.

 

[lem34]

So you want to say wats written in the article is just BS. Nothing's going on in Abu ghareb jail... Iraq do had a connection with WOT, Drones are not producing more terrorists ??

I m sorry but I m unable to understand why you want to go to the source of article and don't want to discuss the content of article

Because i expose american injustices he says I have hatred for americans which in any event is not true. I would expose injustice even py pakistan or pakistanis. It just happens that america is the biggest when it comes to being unjust

 

[VCheng]

Because i expose american injustices he says I have hatred for americans which in any event is not true. I would expose injustice even py pakistan or pakistanis. It just happens that america is the biggest when it comes to being unjust

Well, USA is the biggest and best in many other things. As long as you keep a balance between the good, the bad and the ugly, which every country has BTW, I will support your exposing of injustices, wherever they occur.

 

[lem34]

Well, USA is the biggest and best in many other things. As long as you keep a balance between the good, the bad and the ugly, which every country has BTW, I will support your exposing of injustices, wherever they occur.

Mr America lover why dont you start some threads telling us good things america gets up to if thats the way you feel. I wont attack you just because thats what you want to do thats your right. I do keep a balance I listen to what bbc and fox have to say and I listen to press tv and RT and then make my own mind up. I do not say that what Press tv say is gospel. I accept sometimes they are doing propaganda but so what bbc does the same. You on the other hand are dismissive of sources that do not agree with the propaganda you spout. I wish you would actually read what i post rather than just continue having a go at me. You are starting to sound like a broken record.

 

[VCheng]

Mr America lover why dont you start some threads telling us good things america gets up to if thats the way you feel. I wont attack you just because thats what you want to do thats your right. I do keep a balance I listen to what bbc and fox have to say and I listen to press tv and RT and then make my own mind up. I do not say that what Press tv say is gospel. I accept sometimes they are doing propaganda but so what bbc does the same. You on the other hand are dismissive of sources that do not agree with the propaganda you spout. I wish you would actually read what i post rather than just continue having a go at me. You are starting to sound like a broken record.

Please broaden your horizons a little beyond the very limited sources you have quoted, and it might help you see the world better. I do read what you post, and I respond in an objective manner only after doing so.

 

[kugga]

America has negatives just as many other countries have but the problem is there negatives are affeting others most of the time.... America is good for its citizens but not for others around the world..