US wants India's direct intervention in the South China Sea row

[CONNAN]

NEW DELHI: Less than two months after the release of the US-India Joint Strategic Vision statement for the Asia-Pacific region during President Barack Obama's visit, one of America's top military commanders has made it clear that China has no right in opposing Indian naval operations in the disputed South China Sea.

Admiral Harry Harris Jr, whose area of responsibility extends to the Pacific and Indian Oceans, said, "The South China seas are international waters and India should be able to operate freely wherever India wants to operate. If that means the South China Sea, then get in there and do that."

In July 2011, when the Indian Navy amphibious warfare ship INS Shardul set course from the Nha Trang military port in south Vietnam towards Haiphong port in north Vietnam to make a friendly visit, she was buzzed on an open radio channel and told by the Chinese Navy, "You are entering Chinese waters. Move out of here." In 2014, China opposed the India-Vietnam agreement which would enable the state-owned Oil and Natural Gas Corporation (ONGC) to explore oil wells in waters which China claims to administer.

Voicing his concerns on China's regional disputes in the South China Sea, Admiral Harris said, "I view with concern China's land reclamation process. I think it's provocative, and it causes tensions to be raised in the South China Sea and all of the countries in the South China seas. So, I am concerned about it. For all of us who are concerned about freedom of navigation, it behoves us to pay attention to what China is doing in the South China Sea and its dramatic land reclamation. They are, in fact, changing facts on the ground."

Though the US Admiral did note the increased Chinese submarine presence in the Indian Ocean, his primary concern was on safeguarding maritime security and ensuring the freedom of navigation in the South China Sea, very much in line with the joint statement released by the US and Indian delegations during President Obama's visit to New Delhi in January.

China, for its part, claims much or all of the South China Sea as its territorial waters. The region contains several islands, reefs and sandbars and is thought to be a region enormously rich in hydrocarbons, particularly around the highly disputed Spratly Islands.

Though this has remained largely unstated in public, the United States sees India as a key part of its pivot towards the Asia-Pacific region. Not only is the Indian Navy one of the most powerful forces in the region, it is a useful training partner which engages the US Navy in exceptionally high-level wargames in the annual Malabar series of exercises which are held during the fall. According to Admiral Harris, "I was involved with Malabar 1995 and now you look at Malabar 2014, and it is leaps and bounds beyond what it was. I would like to have an increase with India in special operations exercises."

Last year, India opened up the Malabar exercises to include Japan, a strong ally of both New Delhi and Washington. Australia, another regional partner of the US and India, also has concerns with Chinese naval expansionism.

While India and the United States stand committed to engaging China economically, a new strategic order clearly seems in the process of being established across both the Pacific and Indian Oceans with the US being the big brother.

"As part of the US rebound, the Pacific fleet is going to get bigger. 60 per cent of the US Navy will be in the Pacific fleet by 2020. For me, my area of responsibility for the US Navy is the Pacific and Indian Oceans and so, I say that my area of responsibility goes from Hollywood to Bollywood and Polar Bears to Penguins. So that's kind of all of it. That's 52 per cent of the world. That's my area of responsibility," Admiral Harris said. The US sees India as an important part of this new order.

http://www.cnas.org/files/documents/publications/CNAS_CooperationFromStrength_Cronin_1.pdf

 

[Rana Thakur]

Forget US sugarcoating. We must proceed according to our own national interest.

 

[rockstar08]

so i guess now Indians should understand that US is only using you to counter China ..

 

[Ind4Ever]

It's nothing new but very refreshing . Hope US will do everything to provide Indian Navy with much needed blue water navy capabilities like their own . US can sell it's one of the old nimitz with Indian Made nuclear power stations with US made F18 s . It will be a real force multiplier . Which can solely dedicated to suppress Chinese aggression

so i guess now Indians should understand that US is only using you to counter China ..

Or its other way around ! Why can't Indians use it to their benefits ? Looks like that's what happening . A sudden shift towards US is also a single to have their help to deal with China . If you think Indo US muscle power is greater than China Pakistan then you need to get upset

 

[JohnyD]

lol...India is India..have u ever heard..Indians are always being Indian...so dont expect we play for u!

 

[SvenSvensonov]

It's nothing new but very refreshing . Hope US will do everything to provide Indian Navy with much needed blue water navy capabilities like their own . US can sell it's one of the old nimitz with Indian Made nuclear power stations with US made F18 s . It will be a real force multiplier . Which can solely dedicated to suppress Chinese aggression.

You like? This is USS Nimitz CVN-68, the oldest of the Nimitz Class Carriers. As the new Fords come online, this ship will be retired first.

These ships will be decommissioned and scrapped or turned into museums, and probably not sold... probably, I can't say for certain so don't despair, it can happen.

For all the talk about peace and harmony, China is doing everything it can to ensure that it is contained by nations that are concerned about it. Its militarization, its aggression against its smaller neighbors, it is pushing Asia towards India and the US, not the US and India towards East Asia.

India and the US are being approached by every nation around China with the intention of bettering their ties and countering Chinese influence.

India with Australia, Japan, Vietnam, Sri Lanka. The US with nearly everyone except North Korea, a rising India will ensure that China never becomes a hegemon in East Asia, the US just helps make sure of it.

I look forward to improved US-Indo cooperation in all manners of our relationship, not just in military, but all aspects!

 

[rockstar08]

It's nothing new but very refreshing . Hope US will do everything to provide Indian Navy with much needed blue water navy capabilities like their own . US can sell it's one of the old nimitz with Indian Made nuclear power stations with US made F18 s . It will be a real force multiplier . Which can solely dedicated to suppress Chinese aggression


Or its other way around ! Why can't Indians use it to their benefits ? Looks like that's what happening . A sudden shift towards US is also a single to have their help to deal with China . If you think Indo US muscle power is greater than China Pakistan then you need to get upset

looking at the history of US ally , i would say All the best .... no matter what US will give you , still there is nothing you can do about Pakistan or China , and if US provide you weapons that will unbalance the power in S.A , than pakistan always keep its option open ..

 

[Rana Thakur]

looking at the history of US ally , i would say All the best .... no matter what US will give you , still there is nothing you can do about Pakistan or China , and if US provide you weapons that will unbalance the power in S.A , than pakistan always keep its option open ..

We can do a lot about Pakistan, it's just that Pakistan does not pose a serious threat to India. So we are not concerned about Pakistan.

China is the real threat for us & for every peace loving nation in SE Asia and South Asia, except Pakistan.

 

[Ind4Ever]

You like?

These ships will be decommissioned and scrapped or turned into museums, and probably not sold... probably, I can't say for certain so don't despair, it can happen.

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For all the talk about peace and harmony, China is doing everything it can to ensure that it is contained by nations that are concerned about it. India and the US are approaching every nation around China with the intention of bettering their ties and countering Chinese influence.

India with Australia, Japan, Vietnam, Sri Lanka. The US with nearly everyone except North Korea, a rising India will ensure that China never becomes a hegemon in East Asia, the US just helps make sure of it.

I look forward to improved US-Indo cooperation in all manners of our relationship, not just in military, but all aspects!

Anyway as per the plan us needed it's one of the AC BG needed to be placed in the IOR so why not sell a old AC to India which can be later upgraded by Indian like INS Viki ? US also need to share their experiences and powers if it want to contain raise of Chinese . Best bet is India .

Already brutal backstabbing by Chinese are still felt by all Indians. With the proactive new Indian leadership who are ready to escalate any conflict to one step ahead than the bullies should be most welcomed by all nations. India can do more damage to China than US itself . War between next door neighbours will be a war for survival not for supremacy as US does. It will be painful for both the Asian giants . That's why Chinese use pakistan to poke India and keep us busy . But it won't happen now new alliances formed formally or not this will greater headache to Chinese than ever. Now US gets full access in the IOR incase of War with India. And note my words . In case of border war US will send more than enough weapons to surpass Chinese number game. Game has just begun .

Providing India with 70+ combatants AC will full fill the US dreams to contain china

looking at the history of US ally , i would say All the best .... no matter what US will give you , still there is nothing you can do about Pakistan or China , and if US provide you weapons that will unbalance the power in S.A , than pakistan always keep its option open ..

What is ur option ? You don't have any rights to cut the ties with Chinese. It's way beyond the recovery. You have to do what ever they say. You owe them lots of money which will take decades to repay them. So you are already doing with giving away Azad Kashmir parts . Then call it it as your strategy

More and more you add Chinese weapons your army's capabilities are degrading . Atleast you won't argue on this . Chinese still a major customer for Russian defence equipment . Even though they already produce so many ripoff and mass produce it.

So we don't care about China Pakistan relationship. We actually use it a bench mark so in future we will be able sell advanced weapon systems to SCS countries . Which will be a step advanced than Soviet ripoff or Upgrades except the SAM system which Russians are the masters in this field .

Indo US relationship is a deadly diplomatic coup by this new government. Daring move

Why you guys want to kill it . Give it to us we will take care of these babies . 10-15 years will be enough for us.

 

[rockstar08]

Anyway as per the plan us needed it's one of the AC BG needed to be placed in the IOR so why not sell a old AC to India which can be later upgraded by Indian like INS Viki ? US also need to share their experiences and powers if it want to contain raise of Chinese . Best bet is India .

Already brutal backstabbing by Chinese are still felt by all Indians. With the proactive new Indian leadership who are ready to escalate any conflict to one step ahead than the bullies should be most welcomed by all nations. India can do more damage to China than US itself . War between next door neighbours will be a war for survival not for supremacy as US does. It will be painful for both the Asian giants . That's why Chinese use pakistan to poke India and keep us busy . But it won't happen now new alliances formed formally or not this will greater headache to Chinese than ever. Now US gets full access in the IOR incase of War with India. And note my words . In case of border war US will send more than enough weapons to surpass Chinese number game. Game has just begun .

Providing India with 70+ combatants AC will full fill the US dreams to contain china


What is ur option ? You don't have any rights to cut the ties with Chinese. It's way beyond the recovery. You have to do what ever they say. You owe them lots of money which will take decades to repay them. So you are already doing with giving away Azad Kashmir parts . Then call it it as your strategy

More and more you add Chinese weapons your army's capabilities are degrading . Atleast you won't argue on this . Chinese still a major customer for Russian defence equipment . Even though they already produce so many ripoff and mass produce it.

So we don't care about China Pakistan relationship. We actually use it a bench mark so in future we will be able sell advanced weapon systems to SCS countries . Which will be a step advanced than Soviet ripoff or Upgrades except the SAM system which Russians are the masters in this field .

Indo US relationship is a deadly diplomatic coup by this new government. Daring move

Why you guys want to kill it . Give it to us we will take care of these babies . 10-15 years will be enough for us.

this is the problem with you Indians you think what ever China is making is third class , if a bullet made in US can kill a man , so a Chinese made same caliber bullet take three to kill ? China is creating massive weapons , which you can only dream right now .. so dont think if the SA got dis balance China will hesitate you give us their best technology , and your obbsession with Pakistan is seems everywhere including few deals with Russia , you close to US , we close to Russia its simple , we can now get Russian weapons systems , all we need money , and you are not dumb enough to believe that Pakistan will never had cash to buy ?

and even if your relationship gone too far with US , there is nothing you cant do with China nor with Pakistan ... China is too big for you to handle , example 62 ..
and for Pakistan , we are not living in 71 era ... you forces even step a km inside Pakistan and the entire South Asia will turn into a radioactive land .. and what makes you think that US will give you advance tech to create Dis balance in region ?? they always want to maintain this , cause they know next war between Pak and ind will be disaster for the entire region ..

Our leadership getting close ties with Russians , is also a daring move ... but problem with Indians is that they think the world revolve around India .. when you Choose USSR , you make enemies with US , and now you are choosing US , you know what it means
even if Russians will not be your enemy but they can easily show you middle finger , if you try to oppose any future deal with Pakistan ... China and Pakistan can be much more bigger markets for Russians products ...

 

[Ind4Ever]

this is the problem with you Indians you think what ever China is making is third class , if a bullet made in US can kill a man , so a Chinese made same caliber bullet take three to kill ? China is creating massive weapons , which you can only dream right now .. so dont think if the SA got dis balance China will hesitate you give us their best technology , and your obbsession with Pakistan is seems everywhere including few deals with Russia , you close to US , we close to Russia its simple , we can now get Russian weapons systems , all we need money , and you are not dumb enough to believe that Pakistan will never had cash to buy ?

and even if your relationship gone too far with US , there is nothing you cant do with China nor with Pakistan ... China is too big for you to handle , example 62 ..
and for Pakistan , we are not living in 71 era ... you forces even step a km inside Pakistan and the entire South Asia will turn into a radioactive land .. and what makes you think that US will give you advance tech to create Dis balance in region ?? they always want to maintain this , cause they know next war between Pak and ind will be disaster for the entire region ..

Our leadership getting close ties with Russians , is also a daring move ... but problem with Indians is that they think the world revolve around India .. when you Choose USSR , you make enemies with US , and now you are choosing US , you know what it means
even if Russians will not be your enemy but they can easily show you middle finger , if you try to oppose any future deal with Pakistan ... China and Pakistan can be much more bigger markets for Russians products ...

So as per you we are not living in 1971 era but India and China still living in 1962 era ? Please explain me ur logic . And the way Pakistan or North Korea on making / turning whole world into radioactive sand storm and stuff look pathetic with no valid points to back it up.

No one is going to declare loss since u have nukes. If you want to nuke us we will do the same. Who will care about Radio Active rains in other countries when my country will be destroyed ? Now this is the logic . Stop bringing nukes. As full retaliation will be on the way even before single missile reach India . As uniformed missile launch is spotted by various means nowadays so it will be considered as nuclear missile strike. So given our size and ability nothing pakistan can do to surpass India . Unless bringing in China in a two front war. I agree it's too much for India. But not any more . Table has turned when US came into the picture . Now it's too much for China to handle it . Difference between Pakistan and India is not same when comes to difference between China ad India . Chinese must be stupid even if it thinks it can have conflict with India for waste landscape.

End of the day China and India will be transformed into a Super power nation when pakistan still be a stooge of Chinese for doing their dirty job . But both China and India will move on and Pakistan will look for another power to get funds

 

[Kompromat]

I'll be watching this with keen interest. A big chunk of my Indian friends think that being an American ally will be a sweet ride

US wanted Pakistan in Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan, we refused and were 'banished'. Apart from Pakistani submariners, none of our servicemen fought for American forces. If India is going to 'possibly' go to war with China on America's dictat is a carefully drafted US strategy to gauge the depth of Indian rhetoric.

 

[Nicky G]

Really interesting developments and significant developments that will probably go a long way in determining how the next few decades will play out.

China is very finicky about the SCS, it should be fun to watch how they react. India should seek to get as much as they can from US and its in US interest too to help India and others contain China.

All talk of war is exaggeration and fear-mongering.

 

[rockstar08]

So as per you we are not living in 1971 era but India and China still living in 1962 era ? Please explain me ur logic . And the way Pakistan or North Korea on making / turning whole world into radioactive sand storm and stuff look pathetic with no valid points to back it up.

No one is going to declare loss since u have nukes. If you want to nuke us we will do the same. Who will care about Radio Active rains in other countries when my country will be destroyed ? Now this is the logic . Stop bringing nukes. As full retaliation will be on the way even before single missile reach India . As uniformed missile launch is spotted by various means nowadays so it will be considered as nuclear missile strike. So given our size and ability nothing pakistan can do to surpass India . Unless bringing in China in a two front war. I agree it's too much for India. But not any more . Table has turned when US came into the picture . Now it's too much for China to handle it . Difference between Pakistan and India is not same when comes to difference between China ad India . Chinese must be stupid even if it thinks it can have conflict with India for waste landscape.

End of the day China and India will be transformed into a Super power nation when pakistan still be a stooge of Chinese for doing their dirty job . But both China and India will move on and Pakistan will look for another power to get funds

you are not living in 62 era , but Chinese has gain 100 times more than you gained ..
so they can defeat you any time ... anywhere , and also just like a deluded Indian you think Pakistan cant do anything ... lol ask your generals about it .. if you have balls to attack us , you could have done in 2002 or 2008 .. but all we are hearing is empty warning ... and we make nuke for a reason , not for show piece , and if you think that in a full scale N war , you can survive , because of size than you really need to understand the fallout of a nuke War , do you even know how much Bombs we have ?

forget about a two front war ... you cant even sustain a single front war ....
specially with China .. we have enough weapons to protect our borders ...

now coming back to topic ... the US relationship with India produce its first reward , AQ is started its new branch in Indian Peninsula... so enjoy the friendship with US , and also the network of AQ , because American have the habit to treat its allies like slaves , japan , Germany , UK are major examples ... their soldiers have done enough " chutiyape " in those countries , and still they are sitting in Japan and Germany with Hundreds of Thousand soldiers , after 6 decades they still dont trust Germans or Japanese with nukes ... and you think they will be like " yes sir " to Indian ? hahaha

you dont have to believe me , time is your best friend , it will tell you everything

 

[NKVD]

I'll be watching this with keen interest. A big chunk of my Indian friends think that being an American ally will be a sweet ride

US wanted Pakistan in Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan, we refused and were 'banished'. Apart from Pakistani submariners, none of our servicemen fought for American forces. If India is going to 'possibly' go to war with China on America's dictat is a carefully drafted US strategy to gauge the depth of Indian rhetoric.

Sorry Admin All The Examples You Gave Are Also Assumed on Silly Analysis When you Compared India With Pakistan. Its Like Comparing Apples With Oranges.India Always 2 Steps Ahead In Diplomatic Front I thought By Now you Should Realized it.