US vows it will take action if Beijing builds new South China Sea structures

[TaiShang]

I have met lots of astute and nice Indian people both in India or Singapore. You are certainly among them. Hat's off to you,Sir


Next round is going to be in the hollow under the SCS. Lets see if the US subs are as good as they say.

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Caption: China does not provoke, does not fear trouble and does not allow the violation of China's sovereignty

South China Sea is China's strategic breathing space. To give in to US pressure in the SCS would be a more dramatic strategic mistake than the US giving up on Washington DC. Just check the location of the sea, it is one of China's few maritime breathing space. I would argue that China is prepared for a major nuclear war over the rights on the sea; it is that important.

When US Pentagon dissenters vows on this or that thing, they need to know that this ain't Cold War and China ain't the USSR. China has second strike capability. We can tolerate small naughty provocation of breaching 12NM sovereign waters of China's islands. But if the US ever attempts to prevent China from doing whatever it wants to do on the islands, then we become serious.

 

[mehboobkz]

I have met lots of astute and nice Indian people both in India or Singapore. You are certainly among them. Hat's off to you,Sir

Those who live in a developed country, do not need a degree.
Whole country acts as a university.

 

[Zsari]

Its stated on title of the map, there is full map of China. Before 1936, ROC didn't claimed that slands in SCS is sea territory of China.

Apply your logic, Qing is Kingdom origin from north east Asia, had invaded and colonized China. And now, China is not country with a full sovereignty state, because Taiwan is not under control of center govt in Peking.

Spratly and Paracel is part of territory Vietnam, long time before west imperialist France came to Vietnam.

Based on agreement was signed France is protectorate to Vietnam only. In fact Nguyen Dynasty Vietnam existed until 1945, when throne was handed to Ho Chi Minh govt..

I guess you don't know the difference between an unified entity from an independent entity. Vietnam as a vassal state or colony is not a fully independent state regardless what name it used, whereas China regardless of whether it controls Taiwan or not is an independent state without any higher authority in control. If France conquered Taiwan, which they did try and failed, would that make Taiwan a part of Vietnam? Of course not. You cannot lay claim based on the conquest of the colonial power.

As to your claim of Vietnam prior to the French, do remember that it was a vassal of the Qing empire, and the Qing empire noted the SCS as its own territory on the follow: A Map of Administrative Divisions of the Whole China of the 1724 Map of Provinces of the Qing Dynasty, A Map of Administrative Divisions of the Whole China of the 1755 Map of Provinces of the Imperial Qing Dynasty, the 1767 Map of Unified China of the Great Qing for Ten Thousand Years, the 1810 Topographical Map of Unified China of the Great Qing for Ten Thousand Years and the 1817 Map of Unified China of the Great Qing for Ten Thousand Years.

 

[Viet]

I guess you don't know the difference between an unified entity from an independent entity. Vietnam as a vassal state or colony is not a fully independent state regardless what name it used, whereas China regardless of whether it controls Taiwan or not is an independent state without any higher authority in control. If France conquered Taiwan, which they did try and failed, would that make Taiwan a part of Vietnam? Of course not. You cannot lay claim based on the conquest of the colonial power.

As to your claim of Vietnam prior to the French, do remember that it was a vassal of the Qing empire, and the Qing empire noted the SCS as its own territory on the follow: A Map of Administrative Divisions of the Whole China of the 1724 Map of Provinces of the Qing Dynasty, A Map of Administrative Divisions of the Whole China of the 1755 Map of Provinces of the Imperial Qing Dynasty, the 1767 Map of Unified China of the Great Qing for Ten Thousand Years, the 1810 Topographical Map of Unified China of the Great Qing for Ten Thousand Years and the 1817 Map of Unified China of the Great Qing for Ten Thousand Years.

Learn a bit of history won't harm you.

We have been an independent state since more than 1,000 years.

Being a vassal to China means nothing. Or very little. It is a superficial act accepting the supremacy of the son of heaven. The act was carried out by kneeing down, paying tribute every year or every two year, a gift to him. In return we were allowed to trade. That' s all.

Chinese laws and orders did not apply in Vietnam. Neither a subject to Chinese tax regime nor any other civil administrations. Neither subject to any domestic nor foreign restrictions.

Zero.

Why we accepted the status of a vassal?

Because if we rejected to do it, China would become aggressive and start hostile actions against Vietnam.

It was a peace treaty.

As for your claim,

Post the maps of the Qing here!

Post here your evidences that you administer and control the islands and sea lanes since the Han as you claim it!

Post here your proof that you were the first who discovered the South Sea as you call it!

 

[Sasquatch]

China to Ignore International Arbitration Court Ruling on South China Sea Case

China announced on Saturday that it would ignore the ruling of the United Nation's Permanent Court of Arbitration (PCA) on the case initiated by the Philippines over Beijing's territorial claims in the South China Sea.

Guan Youfei, director of the Foreign Affairs Office of China's National Defense Ministry, stated that "To put it simply, the arbitration case actually has gone beyond its jurisdiction."

The Philippines filed the lawsuit with the United Nations' mandated court under the Convention on Law of the Sea, questioning whether or not China has a legitimate claim to the territories in the South China Sea. The court ruled last year that it has jurisdiction over the case, despite protests from China. The arbitration panel is expected to rule on the case soon.

Guan claims that "Because the territorial and sovereignty disputes have not been subjected to the arbitration, we think the arbitration is illegal."

Guan's statements reflect China's longstanding decision not to participate in any international arbitration to settle the territorial dispute. Instead, Beijing insists on addressing the issues through bilateral discussions.

Meanwhile, Philippines president-elect Rodrigo Duterte has said that he is open to having bilateral talks with China over the South China Sea dispute. Experts say China more confidence to undermine any ruling of the arbitration court since the incoming government of the Philippines does not seem very interested in the case.

Brunei, Taiwan, Indonesia, and Vietnam are also claiming portions of the South China Sea. The United States has openly supported these nations as well as the Philippines in the face of China's aggressive expansion in the disputed territory, and this has placed Beijing and Washington at odds.

http://www.chinatopix.com/articles/...-south-sea-lawsuit-decision.htm#ixzz4AgQBTWyF

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

China to Ignore International Arbitration Court Ruling on South China Sea Case

China will eventually set our rule of sea and overwritten the current one if international arbitration insist on meddling on SCS affaire without China approval, face an outlaw court, the only way China can do, it's to make a new one.

China can create our own international arbitration court in Beijing and all the judges to be Chinese , we can deliver a verdict in China's favor...Chinese judgements are equally valid as those from the other side of the world.

 

[cochine]

China has signed in to UNCLOS.

 

[Zsari]

Learn a bit of history won't harm you.

We have been an independent state since more than 1,000 years.

Being a vassal to China means nothing. Or very little. It is a superficial act accepting the supremacy of the son of heaven. The act was carried out by kneeing down, paying tribute every year or every two year, a gift to him. In return we were allowed to trade. That' s all.

Chinese laws and orders did not apply in Vietnam. Neither a subject to Chinese tax regime nor any other civil administrations. Neither subject to any domestic nor foreign restrictions.

Zero.

Why we accepted the status of a vassal?

Because if we rejected to do it, China would become aggressive and start hostile actions against Vietnam.

It was a peace treaty.

As for your claim,

Post the maps of the Qing here!

Post here your evidences that you administer and control the islands and sea lanes since the Han as you claim it!

Post here your proof that you were the first who discovered the South Sea as you call it!

However you want to justify the lord/vassal relationship, a vassal state cannot take territories claimed already by the controlling power.

 

[Viet]

However you want to justify the lord/vassal relationship, a vassal state cannot take territories claimed already by the controlling power.

You never controlled Vietnam. You never claimed the sea as yours, either until the 9 dash line was invented.

 

[Zsari]

You never controlled Vietnam. You never claimed the sea as yours, either until the 9 dash line was invented.

Go back and re-read what I've wrote.

 

[Viet]

Go back and re-read what I've wrote.

What you wrote is fabricated lies.

Also, what China says about the SC sea is fabricated lies.

 

[Tiqiu]

South China Sea is China's strategic breathing space. To give in to US pressure in the SCS would be a more dramatic strategic mistake than the US giving up on Washington DC. Just check the location of the sea, it is one of China's few maritime breathing space. I would argue that China is prepared for a major nuclear war over the rights on the sea; it is that important.

When US Pentagon dissenters vows on this or that thing, they need to know that this ain't Cold War and China ain't the USSR. China has second strike capability. We can tolerate small naughty provocation of breaching 12NM sovereign waters of China's islands. But if the US ever attempts to prevent China from doing whatever it wants to do on the islands, then we become serious.

Agree. SCS is the linchpin of China's second strike capability. Without it, China's ability to reach "Strategic Vulnerability" status with the US is compromised.

Officially, the US is not willing to admit China has reached the "Strategic Vulnerability" status with the US, though many US military researchers think otherwise. The US till today only admits in public that it has "Strategic Stability" status with China, meaning its not the Chinese nuclear weapons, but other common interests that prevents the US from firing its nuclear warheads to China. That is why Pentagon has tried relentlessly to convey the message to the world that China's nuclear subs are noisy, can't sail beyond the second islands chain,and etc.

Thus for the US, losing the battle with China in SCS not only strengthens China's second strike capability, also shatters all the propaganda the Pentagon has diffused - it is "The Emperor's Last Clothes".

Thus China,the world No.1 manufacturer, will fight with everything if necessary not to give a inch of SCS away. Let's see.

 

[cochine]

I guess you don't know the difference between an unified entity from an independent entity. Vietnam as a vassal state or colony is not a fully independent state regardless what name it used, whereas China regardless of whether it controls Taiwan or not is an independent state without any higher authority in control. If France conquered Taiwan, which they did try and failed, would that make Taiwan a part of Vietnam? Of course not. You cannot lay claim based on the conquest of the colonial power.

As to your claim of Vietnam prior to the French, do remember that it was a vassal of the Qing empire, and the Qing empire noted the SCS as its own territory on the follow: A Map of Administrative Divisions of the Whole China of the 1724 Map of Provinces of the Qing Dynasty, A Map of Administrative Divisions of the Whole China of the 1755 Map of Provinces of the Imperial Qing Dynasty, the 1767 Map of Unified China of the Great Qing for Ten Thousand Years, the 1810 Topographical Map of Unified China of the Great Qing for Ten Thousand Years and the 1817 Map of Unified China of the Great Qing for Ten Thousand Years.

You can not provide such map.

In 1898, the ship Bellona (german) and Imezi Maru (japan) were robbed in Paracel, Qing Canton govenor said that there is not China sea territory so China is not responsible for this accident.

You can stop lie about that. In fact, in cold war 1950 China was vassal state to Soviet Union and later on from 1972 China was vassal state to USA.

 

[ahojunk]

Problem of navigation freedom in South China Sea "pseudo-proposition": China
Source: Xinhua | 2016-06-05 22:46:57 | Editor: Tian Shaohui

BEIJING, June 5 (Xinhua) -- A Chinese foreign ministry spokeswoman on Sunday said the freedom of navigation and overflight in the South China Sea has never been a problem.

China respects and supports such freedom enjoyed by all countries in accordance with international law, and has made great efforts in safeguarding the freedom with other countries in the region, Hua Chunying said in a press release.

She made the remarks in response to reports of some worries over the "freedom of navigation and overflight" in the South China Sea, expressed during the 15th Shangri-La Dialogue in Singapore.

Hua called the so-called problem of the navigation and overflight freedom a "pseudo-proposition" because there has never been a problem.

She said that the real intention of certain countries to hype up the topic is to sow dissension among countries in the region and create an excuse for political and military engagement in the South China Sea issue.

Safeguarding the freedom of navigation and overflight in the South China Sea is not only the requirement of international law, but also in line with China's fundamental interests, she said, adding that China will unswervingly ensure it.

"We hope those certain countries will stop disturbing regional safety and stability in the name of safeguarding the right of the navigation freedom," Hua said.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

So, where is the "action"?