US ‘very concerned’ over Pakistan’s crackdown on Ahmadis

[maximuswarrior]

Let the world know how concerned the pakistanis are

LOL the world already knows. I heard the KKK is back in power in the US. Good old times.

 

[The Accountant]

You should not talk like that to anyone. Use argument to counter. Losing patience, Agressive attitude and rant is sign of losing the argument.

Brother that was not for the OP and the member of the forum .. but that was my response to US gov as a Pakistani ... i have all the right to response to him as we Pakistanis are not answereable to them ... why they poke there nose in internal matters of Pakistan ...

Why do we argue with them ? we are a soverign country ... and decide what to and what not ...

On the other hand as a fellow Pakistani i owed an explanation to you ...

Brother as a human i have no grudge against ahmadis ... they can live peacefully anywhere in Pakistan ...

However they cannot preach there religion as it is against islam and till the day Pakistan is a islamic country tbis is unlawful as per law of the land (and haram as per religion)

What do you think literature of Ahmadi must contain? it contains that Hazrat Muhammad PUH is not te last prophet as per islam ... so should we allow them to publish and preech such material in the name of islam ???

I would have no objection that if they treat themselves as a other religion and preach themselves within boundries of thier properties as it is allowed ... but they cannot continue while destroying baic believes of islam while keep on calling themselves muslims ...

 

[graphican]

Pakistan is very concerned over American human right violations in Afghanistan and Pakistan at the same time is watching American silence over Indian brutality in Kashmir.

Both actions do not add to the image of America and can make Pakistan withdraw its assistance to American troops in Afghanistan. When there are disproportional and selective concerns in American head, they can be treated using appropriate treatment.

 

[maximuswarrior]

Brother that was not for the OP and the member of the forum .. but that was my response to US gov as a Pakistani ... i have all the right to response to him as we Pakistanis are not answereable to them ... why they poke there nose in internal matters of Pakistan ...

Why do we argue with them ? we are a soverign country ... and decide what to and what not ...

On the other hand as a fellow Pakistani i owed an explanation to you ...

Brother as a human i have no grudge against ahmadis ... they can live peacefully anywhere in Pakistan ...

However they cannot preach there religion as it is against islam and till the day Pakistan is a islamic country tbis is unlawful as per law of the land (and haram as per religion)

What do you think literature of Ahmadi must contain? it contains that Hazrat Muhammad PUH is not te last prophet as per islam ... so should we allow them to publish and preech such material in the name of islam ???

I would have no objection that if they treat themselves as a other religion and preach themselves within boundries of thier properties as it is allowed ... but they cannot continue while destroying baic believes of islam while keep on calling themselves muslims ...

The solution is to grant Ahmadiyya the status of a seperate religion. They can practice their own unique faith all over the world. The problem starts when Ahmadiyya equate themselves to be part of Islam when they disavow the very basic tenets. That stoke anguish among Muslims who question the validity of such claims by the Ahmadiyya community.

 

[Peaceful Civilian]

Brother that was not for the OP and the member of the forum .. but that was my response to US gov as a Pakistani ... i have all the right to response to him as we Pakistanis are not answereable to them ... why they poke there nose in internal matters of Pakistan ...

Why do we argue with them ? we are a soverign country ... and decide what to and what not ...

On the other hand as a fellow Pakistani i owed an explanation to you ...

Brother as a human i have no grudge against ahmadis ... they can live peacefully anywhere in Pakistan ...

However they cannot preach there religion as it is against islam and till the day Pakistan is a islamic country tbis is unlawful as per law of the land (and haram as per religion)

What do you think literature of Ahmadi must contain? it contains that Hazrat Muhammad PUH is not te last prophet as per islam ... so should we allow them to publish and preech such material in the name of islam ???

I would have no objection that if they treat themselves as a other religion and preach themselves within boundries of thier properties as it is allowed ... but they cannot continue while destroying baic believes of islam while keep on calling themselves muslims ...

We have no right to call anyone.If someone says he is Muslim, then full stop, if he says Hindu then full stop, if he says Christian then full stop, we should not question them. They have right what they want to call themselves w.r.t religion

 

[maximuswarrior]

We have no right to call anyone.If someone says he is Muslim, then full stop, if he says Hindu then full stop, if he says Christian then full stop, we should not question them. They have right what they want to call themselves w.r.t religion

They don't. You can't call an apple an orange. Both are different.

All branches of Islam agree on some basic tenets and structures which cannot be broken. The Ahmadiyya breach a very basic tenet and calling them Muslims is just incorrect.

 

[The Accountant]

The solution is to grant Ahmadiya the status of a different religion. They can practice their own unique faith all over the world. The problem begins when Ahmadiya equate to be part of Islam when they disavowing the very basic tenets.

I agree but then they have to disown themselves from quran offiially however they can use it without claiming it as thier religious scripture ... which they will not ... so if this solution is acceptable we should be glad to accept it ...

We have no right to call anyone.If someone says he is Muslim, then full stop, if he says Hindu then full stop, if he says Christian then full stop, we should not question them. They have right what they want to call themselves w.r.t religion

I am sorry you have no knowledge of islam and religion ... islam is not a caste system or not a designation in which any person can appoint someone ...

So tomorrow if some britisher living in britain start claiming he is Pakistani then will you accept ???

However i agree that i am not the one who can decide ... its islam itself who will decide ...

As per islam for being a muslim you have to have complete belief on Hazrat Muhammad PUH is last prophet and if someone dont believe he cant be muslim ...

Kindly note that by this defintion all major sects of islam fall under the definition of mslims inclding sunni shia deo band barelvi salafi wahabi ...

 

[maximuswarrior]

I agree but then they have to disown themselves from quran offiially however they can use it without claiming it as thier religious scripture ... which they will not ... so if this solution is acceptable we should be glad to accept it ...



I am sorry you have no knowledge of islam and religion ... islam is not a caste system or not a designation in which any person can appoint someone ...

So tomorrow if some britisher living in britain start claiming he is Pakistani then will you accept ???

However i agree that i am not the one who can decide ... its islam itself who will decide ...

As per islam for being a muslim you have to have complete belief on Hazrat Muhammad PUH is last prophet and if someone dont believe he cant be muslim ...

Kindly note that by this defintion all major sects of islam fall under the definition of mslims inclding sunni shia deo band barelvi salafi wahabi ...

I agree and that is another major point of contention. Although, the Ahmadiyya version of the book is altered. Calling it the Holy Quran would be incorrect. It is the Ahmadiyya book or anything else, but certainly not the Holy Quran as mainstream Muslims know it.

 

[The Accountant]

We have no right to call anyone.If someone says he is Muslim, then full stop, if he says Hindu then full stop, if he says Christian then full stop, we should not question them. They have right what they want to call themselves w.r.t religion

So someday a person says i dont believe in jesus christ he was an imposter but i am christian ... will chistan accept him as christian ????

I dont know why people like you who has no knowledge of religion start commenting on religion ... if you want to fight for rigts of ahmadi then do it on humanitarian ground only untill you gain some religious knowledge

 

[raihans]

why topics related to this sect emerging more and more? maybe the legislation of declaring them non-muslim by Pakistan? at number of intervals, observed that many are trying to reverse this legislation, inshaAllah they will not be successful

 

[The Accountant]

I agree and that is another major point of contention. Although, the Ahmadiya version of the book is altered. Calling it the Holy Quran would be incorrect.

Ok i didnt know that ... thanks for updating me ... in that case it will be even more easy ... if ahmadis want to live peacefully they shoud work on proposal like this ... be removing all the items from their practice which gives an impression of them as muslims ... thanks brother ...

 

[IceCold]

US should worry over its crack down over Muslims and Mexcians now that Trump is in power.

 

[hussain0216]

No no no

Oh no no nooooo!!!

Trumpland can go **** itself, The U.S with its actions across the world and election of a Orange bigot, misogynist and moron no long longer has the moral authority to comment on anything like this

 

[Dzz]

TIL there are minority Muslims in Pakistan

 

[maximuswarrior]

Ok i didnt know that ... thanks for updating me ... in that case it will be even more easy ... if ahmadis want to live peacefully they shoud work on proposal like this ... be removing all the items from their practice which gives an impression of them as muslims ... thanks brother ...

They have certainly altered the authentic interpretation and meaning of various verses. They differ from all branches of Islam including Sunni and Shia.

I'm fine with giving the Ahmadiyya community the opportunity to practice their non-Islamic faith. It needs to be constitutionally acknowledged, but we can't grant them the status of Islam. It is impossible.