US senators introduce bill to stop F-35 sales to Turkey

[OldTwilight]

S400 , S500 even SU-34 ,SU-35 , SU-57 with Turkish systems
Turkey has money , and Russia is so happy and ready for cooperation with Turkey

even Russia build the first Nuclear Power Plant in Turkey for $22 billion


stupid Americans will cry to lose Turkey ,,,, but it will be so late

you don't get the point , if USA unofficially put arm embargo on Tukey , other nation will follow them and both China and Russia will ask for 2-3 times of their original equipment price to sell anything to you and ask for additional condition .... and the funny part is thay ask you buy some junks with your original order or else they won't sell you anything ....

we already in this path for 40 years and we knew more than you ...

if USA sanction Turkey , then you will see the real color of Russian and Chinese ....

Why doesn't turkey get the f-35 first and then go for s-400?

do you think USA can be fooled like this !?

 

[MMM-E]

if Turkey cancel the deal of buying Boeing airliner due the political issues , then USA simply force Airbus or other companies to not sell airliner to Turkey because as far as I know , most of airbus use more than 5 percent of American parts in them

Turkish Airlines buys 255 new planes for $40 billion between 2018 and 2023

-- 98 Boeing 737 Max $10 billion ( 2018-2022 )
-- 40 Boeing 787-900 Dreamliner $11 billion ( 2018-2023 )
-- 92 Airbus A321Neo $11,6 billion ( 2018-2022 )
-- 25 Airbus A350-900 $7,7 billion ( 2018-2023 )

Airbus will be so happy , if Turkey cancel 138 Boeing deal for $21 billion and to buy from Airbus

now France-Germany so hate the US , and They dont care about TRUMP's America

you don't get the point , if USA unofficially put arm embargo on Tukey , other nation will follow them and both China and Russia will ask for 2-3 times of their original equipment price to sell anything to you and ask for additional condition

Turkey is not Iran , Iran develops nuclear weapon
and Turkey is NATO member , and Turkey is very important for Europe's security

btw Turkey develops its own all weapons , and Turkey has its own AKINCI and MIUS UCAV projects also HURJET and TFX Fighter Jet Projects ..... 10 years and Turkey will develop everything


S-400 deal done, joint S-500 production on agenda , everything has changed after the US backed 2016 military coup attempt in Turkey

and problem is not F35 or S400
the US-Israel have dirty plan to destroy Turkey's territorial integrity ,,, Turkish Army entered Syria and blocked the US-Israel backed PKK/YPG terror corridor in N.Syria

 

[OldTwilight]

Turkish Airlines buys 255 new planes for $40 billion between 2018 and 2023

-- 98 Boeing 737 Max $10 billion ( 2018-2022 )
-- 40 Boeing 787-900 Dreamliner $11 billion ( 2018-2023 )
-- 92 Airbus A321Neo $11,6 billion ( 2018-2022 )
-- 25 Airbus A350-900 $7,7 billion ( 2018-2023 )

Airbus will be so happy , if Turkey cancel 138 Boeing deal for $21 billion and to buy from Airbus

now France-Germany so hate the US , and They dont care about zionist puppet TRUMP's America



Turkey is not Iran , Iran develops nuclear weapon
and Turkey is NATO member , without Turkey NATO is nothing

btw Turkey develops its own all weapons , and Turkey has its own AKINCI and MIUS UCAV projects also HURJET and TFX Fighter Jet Projects ..... 10 years and Turkey will develop everything


S-400 deal done, joint S-500 production on agenda , everything has changed after the US backed military coup attempt 2016

and problem is not F35 or S400
the US-Israel have dirty plan to destroy Turkey's territorial integrity ,,, Turkish Army entered Syria and blocked the US-Israel backed PKK/YPG terror corridor in N.Syria

You are trying to fool yourselves ...

I already said you turks despite all of your hard stand and big talks , will obey USA and accept their terms in near future and then come and threat us with your so called F35 ( which we are suppose to be worried about them ) ....

so lets see who have better insight and can predict the future base of the info and knowledge from past .... mark this post ... I will bookmark this page ....

 

[MMM-E]

You are trying to fool yourselves ...

I already said you turks despite all of you hard stand and big talks will obey USA and accept their terms in near future and then come and threat us with your so called F35 ( which we are suppose to be worried about them ) ....

so lets see who have better insight and can predict the future base of the info and knowledge from past .... mark this post ... I will bookmark this page .

wth are you talking about ?

We Turks kicked the US backed FETO terorists in 2016
We Turks kicked the US backed PKK/YPG terorists in Syria
We Turks blocked the US-Israel backed terror corridor in Syria ,, also Turkish Army is in Iraq

and Turkey is in cooperation with Russia for S400 , Nuclear Power Plant , Turkstream gas pipline

the US can not do anything , F35 blackmail can not stop the Turks , Turkey never will allow the US backed terror corridor in N Syria

Our problem is not F35 or S400 .... Our problem is national security

stupid the US senate blocked sale of UCAV to Turkey but Turkey has developed its own UCAVs ... today Turkey is in top 5 in the world for UAV-UCAV technology even only the US and Turkey uses artificial intelligence in UCAV

sooner or later Turkey will develop its own stealth Fighter Jet


and Iran or Israel supposed to be worried about hundreds of Turkish military projects including TFX 5th gen Fighter Jet , MIUS stealth UCAV , ATAK-II heavy class Attack Hellicopter , long range Ballistic and Cruise Missiles , advanced EW Systems , state of the art technology Air Defence Systems , AESA Radars , supersonic and hypersonic speed systems including Electromagnetic Railgun , ISTIF and TF-4500 class Frigates , TF-2000 class Destroyer

Turkey becomes military industry giant



btw Turkey has 234 F-16C/D armed with state of the art technology missilles and EW Systems
more than a match for Iran

 

[CAN_TR]

Turkish Airlines shut down it's 737-MAX and it's very likely that they will cancel all orders after another inccident (emergency landing) in Orlando 2 days ago.

 

[KediKesenFare3]

Prohibiting the transfer and excluding Turkey from the programme are two different stories. If this is true, it means that the US stance has already significantly changed.

 

[Kamil_baku]

The point is that if USA don't allow her company to sell any good things to Turkey and get the profit , then they wont let European company to take their place ....

if Turkey cancel the deal of buying Boeing airliner due the political issues , then USA simply force Airbus or other companies to not sell airliner to Turkey because as far as I know , most of airbus use more than 5 percent of American parts in them ....

Chinese air craft are not tested and I doubt they sell J-31 or J-20 to countries like Turkey which is in NATO league ....

Just recently Chine cancelled boeing jets and ordered from Airbus..

You are trying to fool yourselves ...

I already said you turks despite all of you hard stand and big talks will obey USA and accept their terms in near future and then come and threat us with your so called F35 ( which we are suppose to be worried about them ) ....

so lets see who have better insight and can predict the future base of the info and knowledge from past .... mark this post ... I will bookmark this page ....

You are wrong... Actually Turkey intentionally could make this problem.. F35 would be sooo expensive to operate for Turkey. Turkey needed know-how and they got it within these years... now time to make their own..
in 2023 Turkey plan to have Turbofan engine that could be used in stealth UAVs, that would be enough until TFX comes..

 

[The SC]

Prohibiting the transfer and excluding Turkey from the programme are two different stories. If this is true, it means that the US stance has already significantly changed.

That is true, but Turkey would benefit from the manufacturing of parts alone and won't get the F-35..
It is very clear now that the move against Turkey is related to its position within NATO, as the US said today that it won't punish India if it buys the S-400..while offering it US alternatives..

 

[nahtanbob]

Turkish Airlines buys 255 new planes for $40 billion between 2018 and 2023

-- 98 Boeing 737 Max $10 billion ( 2018-2022 )
-- 40 Boeing 787-900 Dreamliner $11 billion ( 2018-2023 )
-- 92 Airbus A321Neo $11,6 billion ( 2018-2022 )
-- 25 Airbus A350-900 $7,7 billion ( 2018-2023 )

Airbus will be so happy , if Turkey cancel 138 Boeing deal for $21 billion and to buy from Airbus

now France-Germany so hate the US , and They dont care about TRUMP's America

Why do France & Germany care about Turkey more than America ?

 

[TaiShang]

Chinese are smart I bet they would sell it because it would create a dependence and could lead for more business also this would be a huge impact on west and NATO.. Also I think this is the reason why it will not happen its really too much if a story

Pulling Turkey out of the NATO axis would be a strategic gain for Russia and, to a lesser degree, China.

Practically speaking, NATO does not have much strategic impact on China, especially considering that in East Asia, the US has established a hub-and-spokes model.

But, for Russia, that would be a serious advantage.

I wish the US will stop the export of the jets and put Turkey out of the program. That would undermine, to some degree, their presence in the region.

Considering the pro-Israeli radicalism of the US administration, such a move would simply make it much harder for the regional governments that are complicit with the US to sell their US-aligned policies (such as Syria question) to their own constituencies.

 

[MMM-E]

Why do France & Germany care about Turkey more than America ?

because of money ( possible more 130 planes order from Airbus for over $20 billion )
because of economy ( if Turkish Economy collapse then EU Banks also collapse )
because of refugees ( Turkey saved Germany-France and Europe from 3,5 million Syrian refugees )
because of security ( Turkey is very important country for Europe's security )
because of politics ( Germany-France dont like TRUMP's policy over EU and NATO )

even a few days ago French Defense Minister Florence Parly said that NATO solidarity is based on Article 5, not F-35's article ... also He said that Alliance must be unconditional or cannot be an alliance

so France criticized the US for the F-35 blackmail against Turkey
that means if Turkey want, France can sell Rafale Fighter Jets to Turkey ( btw Turkey is working with French-Italian EUROSAM to develop new Air Defense System )

I wish the US will stop the export of the jets and put Turkey out of the program. That would undermine, to some degree, their presence in the region

then Turkey will be free ,
that means no more the US blackmail against Turkey and Turkish Armed Forces will take all cities from the US backed PKK/YPG terrorists in N.Syria

and Turkey will have right to buy more sophisticated weapons from Russia such as S400 , S500 even SU-57 with Turkish Systems ... even cooperation with Russia to develop Fighter Jet and Turbofan Engine ... also thanks to Russians that Russia build the first Nuclear Power Plant in Turkey for $22 billion of Russian investment

F35 will be under the American control , even the US says that Turks can use PATRIOT Air Defense System in Eastern Turkey against Syria and Iran

on the other hand S400 , S500 even SU-57 will be under the Turkish control ,,because of Turkish software and IFF System ..... and Russia allow the Turks to use S400 everywhere against everyone

nobody in the region can match with S400+S500+SU-57 combined ..
also upcoming most modern Turkish weapons such as HISAR and SIPER Air Defense Systems , long range Ballistic and Cruise Missiles , MIUS stealth UCAV , TFX 5th gen stealth Fighter , TF-2000 class Destroyer

That would strengthen to more degree, Turkey's presence in the region
also Turkey will solve PKK/YPG terrorism problem in Syria

 

[TaiShang]

then Turkey will be free ,
that means no more the US blackmail against Turkey and Turkish Armed Forces will take all cities from the US backed PKK/YPG terrorists in N.Syria

Yes, in any form, a Turkey freed from the NATO would be a desirable outcome.

The US should not underestimate Turkey's role in US's ideological and geopolitical containment of the USSR during the Cold War.

Funnily enough, divorcing from the NATO/US would also spell death to political Islam in Turkey since the genesis of political Islam in Turkey is its participation in NATO.

 

[MMM-E]

Funnily enough, divorcing from the NATO/US would also spell death to political Islam in Turkey since the genesis of political Islam in Turkey is its participation in NATO.

political Islam ? maybe You are talking about so-called muslim FETO , I remind you that failed coup attempt by the US/NATO backed FETO to destroy ERDOGAN

the US/NATO always tried to destroy real muslim leaders such as ERBAKAN and EROGAN , because of real muslim leaders are not puppet to the US and real muslim leaders always support Palestine against Israel


btw Turkish People is Muslim , there is no political Islam or radical Islam or whatever

then Europe is political/radical Christian , the US is political/radical Evangelist-Zionist and Israel is political/radical Zionist

 

[MMM-E]

Turkey once again reiterated its commitment to honoring the deal to purchase S-400 air defense systems from Russia and ruled out the possibility of deploying them anywhere outside Turkish territories


Turkish Foreign Minister emphasized that the world should see that Washington's bullying policies are not prevailing and S400 deal was completed before the introduction of the Countering America's Adversaries Through Sanctions Act (CAATSA), which came into effect in July 2017, to be imposed on companies or countries doing business with Iran, Russia and North Korea

29.03.2019

Turkey is the sole provider of the panoramic cockpit display and the missile remote interface unit of the F-35
also the center fuselage of the F-35 and KALE Aerospace is manufacturing production hardware for the F135 engine

5 Turkish companies support the production of F-35 / F135

-- Alp Aviation : manufactures F-35 production airframe structure and assemblies, production landing gear components and over 100 F135 production engine parts to include titanium integrated blade rotors

-- Ayesas currently is the sole source supplier for two major F-35 components – missile remote interface unit and the panoramic cockpit display

-- Fokker Elmo manufactures 40% of the F-35 Electrical Wiring & Interconnection System (EWIS) and will also deliver and support TAI with all center section wiring systems. Fokker Elmo is also developing the EWIS for the F135 engine

-- Kale Aerospace has been supporting the F-35 since 2005. In conjunction with Turkish Aerospace Industries, they manufacture and produce F-35 airframe structures and assemblies. Kale Aero also supports Heroux Devtek as the sole source supplier for all three variants landing gear up lock assemblies. Additionally, Kale Aerospace has also established a joint venture in Izmir with Pratt & Whitney and is manufacturing production hardware for the F135 engine

-- Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI) has been strategically supporting the F-35 Program since 2008.
The company currently supplies production hardware that goes into every F-35 production aircraft. In conjunction with Northrup Grumman
TAI manufactures and assembles the center fuselages, produces composite skins and weapon bay doors, and manufactures fiber placement composite air inlet ducts
Additionally, TAI is strategically manufacturing 45% of the F-35’s including Air to Ground Pylons and adapters which is Alternate Mission Equipment (AME)


Additionally, Turkish Industry are going to have significant Industrial Participation role supporting Lockheed Martin and Pratt and Whitney for F-35 aircraft sustainment and F135 engine production and sustainment.
Turkey has been given the approval to build its own F135 engines and was also selected to have the first European Regional F135 Engine depot overhaul capability


As warned by members of his own administration, U.S. President Donald Trump's decision to act in bad faith toward the U.S. NATO ally could backfire, as Turkey holds a valuable stake in the production of the F-35 jets



https://www.dailysabah.com/politics...lity-of-transferring-s-400-to-third-countries


https://www.f35.com/global/participation/turkey-industrial-participation

 

[nahtanbob]

because of money ( possible more 130 planes order from Airbus for over $20 billion )
because of economy ( if Turkish Economy collapse then EU Banks also collapse )
because of refugees ( Turkey saved Germany-France and Europe from 3,5 million Syrian refugees )
because of security ( Turkey is very important country for Europe's security )
because of politics ( Germany-France dont like TRUMP's policy over EU and NATO )

even a few days ago French Defense Minister Florence Parly said that NATO solidarity is based on Article 5, not F-35's article ... also He said that Alliance must be unconditional or cannot be an alliance

so France criticized the US for the F-35 blackmail against Turkey
that means if Turkey want, France can sell Rafale Fighter Jets to Turkey ( btw Turkey is working with French-Italian EUROSAM to develop new Air Defense System )

$20 billion Airbus deal is great. It is not end of the world.

Turkey foreign debt is $440 billion. It is large amount. But it is not end of the world.

In what way is Turkey important for Germany-France security ?

Germany-France can ban all immigration to deal with refugee problem.

Trump is history by 2020 or 2024