US sees no role for India in Afghanistan

[Devil Soul]

US sees no role for India
Published: October 06, 2011
WASHINGTON - The United States Tuesday ruled out any mediatory role for India in the Afghan peace process as it welcomed the New Delhi-Kabul strategic partnership agreement.
The State Department said that Washington believes that the trilateral structure already in place engaging Afghanistan, Pakistan and the United States provided a valuable platform for the way forward.
“With regard to playing a mediating role, I don’t think that’s what we’re looking for here. We do believe this trilateral structure is of value and we should continue it,” Spokesperson Victoria Nuland remarked, when asked if Washington saw a mediatory role for India in Afghan reconciliation process.
Referring to reports about a strategic partnership between India and Afghanistan and India’s likely participation in the New Silk Road Initiative, she said: “Those are both things that we very much welcome.”
The United States also supported “any and all warming between Pakistan and India”, Nuland said. “We’ve been strong supporters of the dialogues that the two governments have been having.” Asked about recent reports from Kabul that indicated President Hamid
Karzai stopped talks with the Taliban, the spokesperson said the US special envoy Marc Grossman would be discussing the subject with the Afghan leadership during his upcoming visit. “We’ve seen the public statements, President Karzai’s speech and other things. We’ve had our own conversations. I think this is one of the subjects that Ambassador Grossman will want to talk about when he’s in Afghanistan. You know that we continue to believe that this trilateral structure is of value to all three of us, so we will have that conversation when he’s out there.
Grossman, who is on a long trip to Central and South Asia, meeting leaders on the Silk Road Initiative event in November, would be visiting both Afghanistan and Pakistan. “Obviously, he will seek to have intensive conversations with both governments on the full range of issues.”
The spokesperson would not speak specifically to reports that Islamabad has indicated its willingness to enter into talks with militants who lay down arms but thought the same conditions would be applied to militants everywhere wishing to join reconciliation talks (that they must give up violence and sever any links with Al-Qaeda).
“I had not seen that. Again, our position on reconciliation is that if you’re going to reconcile, you’ve got to meet these criteria. Our hope would be that those are the same criteria that would be expected in this instance. But if there’s a chance to make those clearer, that’s a good thing.”
Speaking generally, the spokesperson referred to conditions for Afghan militants wishing to join reconciliation in response to an earlier question but declined to speak specifically of any contacts as part of the process.
Questioned about reports that the US had a meeting with the Haqqani militants with the help of Pakistan’s intelligence agency, the spokesperson replied: “Let me start with where we are on reconciliation. Our position here hasn’t changed. We support an Afghan-led process of reconciliation. So our efforts are in support of what the Afghans are up to. But we insist, as do the Afghans, that anybody who is reconciled or who is pursuing reconciliation has to renounce violence, they have to abandon their ties, cut their ties with Al-Qaeda, they have to abide by the laws and the constitution of Afghanistan, including respecting the rights of women and ethnic minorities.
“Now, I’m not going to talk about any specifics and meetings and this and that. Within that umbrella this is an Afghan-led process. I will say to you, again, what we’ve been saying for some two weeks very firmly with regard to the Haqqani Network. Job one in our relationship with Pakistan is for us to work on the terror and the problem that they are posing to Pakistan, to the US, to Afghanistan.
“The only other thing I would say here is it’s patently ridiculous to think that the American government would be dictating to any other government who should or shouldn’t join its ranks.”
When asked if a member of the Haqqani militant group were to renounce violence and meet criteria, could he be part of reconciliation, the spokesperson said: “These are the Afghans’ criteria, these are our criteria, but I’m not going to comment on any specific conversations that are going on under that umbrella. But those are the criteria that we require, yes, and the Afghans require.”
Asked if India had asked the US to help bring to justice perpetrators of the November 2008 Mumbai terror attacks in Pakistan, she said: “Well, I think now that India and Pakistan have renewed their bilateral talks, I would expect that this is a subject between them.”
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Associated Press Of Pakistan ( Pakistan's Premier NEWS Agency ) - US sees no role for India in Afghan reconciliation

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Associated Press Of Pakistan ( Pakistan's Premier NEWS Agency ) - US sees no role for India in Afghan reconciliation

US sees no role for India

“With regard to playing a mediating role, I don’t think that’s what we’re looking for here. We do believe this trilateral structure is of value and we should continue it,”

Surely propaganda works with Pakistanis who don't read the article itself but jumps the gun by seeing the headline.

 

[Devil Soul]

Kerry-Kayani secret meeting yields accord: US sees no Indian role in Afghan peace
Posted on 05 October 2011.
In a Rupee News exclusive, we recently reported from our sources that General Kayani held a secret meeting with Senator John Kerry in Abu Dhabi. The first meeting originally held in July smoothed over some of the incidental issues. The meeting this week seem to have attacked the more substantive issues that have irked US-Pakistani relations. The results have now been announced by the State Department–which seems to back in the saddle of US policy making. Admiral Mullen had thrown a spanner into US-Pakistani relations with his erroneous and, and as it turns out false accusations. It has been reveled by the Washington Post, the BBC and confirmed by US, Pakistan and Haqqani officials–that Washington while outwardly showing chagrin at Pakistan–was in fact carrying on negotiations with the Humanism-facilitated by the ISI.
Hence the row back by President Obama and the backtracking by Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.
The US State department has ruled out any mediatory role for India in the Afghan peace process. The US however has welcomed the New Delhi-Kabul strategic partnership agreement as long as it focuses on rebuilding and arts and craft issues.
As it turns out the Karzai side show in Delhi was of no consequence at all
In a well defined and measured statement the US State Department said that Washington believes that the trilateral structure already in place engaging Afghanistan, Pakistan and the United States provided a valuable platform for the way forward. What is important is that Delhi is particularly left out of the peace process
“With regard to playing a mediating role, I don’t think that’s what we’re looking for here. We do believe this trilateral structure is of value and we should continue it,” Victoria Nuland, US State Department Spokesperson remarked.
She responded in the negative when asked if Washington saw a mediatory role for India in Afghan reconciliation process.
Referring to reports about a strategic partnership between India and Afghanistan and India’s likely participation in the New Silk Road Initiative, she said: “Those are both things that we very much welcome.”
The US state department in fact put the Indo-Afghan agreement in the same league as the Indo-Pakistani agreement, nothing less, nothing more. Nullen said that the US supported “any and all warming between Pakistan and India…We’ve been strong supporters of the dialogues that the two governments have been having.”
The US State Department also made the remarks by Hamid Karzai as irrelevant. It seems that the US is now diaptching the US special enovoy to Afghanistan and Pakistan to take the peace process with the Talibs forward. In affect Mr. Karzai’s publicly stated policy of stopping negotiations with Talibs has been thrown into the trash can.
“We’ve seen the public statements, President Karzai’s speech and other things. We’ve had our own conversations. I think this is one of the subjects that Ambassador Grossman will want to talk about when he’s in Afghanistan. You know that we continue to believe that this trilateral structure is of value to all three of us, so we will have that conversation when he’s out there. Grossman, who is on a long trip to Central and South Asia, meeting leaders on the Silk Road Initiative event in November, would be visiting both Afghanistan and Pakistan. “Obviously, he will seek to have intensive conversations with both governments on the full range of issues.”
The above statement is fascinating. It confirms that Mr. Karzai has no power and has no say in the matter. He has jsut been overruled by a lowly State Department employee.
The spokesperson set down the criteria for negotiating with the Talibs.
“ Again, our position on reconciliation is that if you’re going to reconcile, you’ve got to meet these criteria. Our hope would be that those are the same criteria that would be expected in this instance. But if there’s a chance to make those clearer, that’s a good thing.”
“we need a broad and deep collaboration on the whole counterterrorism docket, with Haqqani as Job 1.” Victoria Nuland,
Mattheew Rosenberg of the Wall Street Journal reported that ”U.S. officials this summer secretly met with leaders of the deadly Haqqani network, the Afghan militant group closely tied to al Qaeda, in an effort to draw them into talks on winding down the war. Washington has publicly scorned the group, which is blamed with bringing a new level of violence to the Afghan insurgency and is at the center of the deteriorating U.S. relationship with Pakistan.”
Eric Schmitt of the New York Times also validated the same ” President Obama’s national security adviser met secretly in the Persian Gulf last weekend with Pakistan’s top military officer to deliver a tough message: rein in the Haqqani network, a deadly insurgent group in Afghanistan that the United States says has close ties to Pakistan’s main spy agency. Just a few weeks before, however, American officials held a secret meeting with leaders of the Haqqani network. But then, the purpose was to explore ever so delicately how the group, or at least some of its members, might join talks to end the war in Afghanistan.”
She was cornered about reports that the US had a meeting with the Haqqani militants with the help of Pakistan’s intelligence agency.
“Let me start with where we are on reconciliation. Our position here hasn’t changed.
We support an Afghan-led process of reconciliation.
So our efforts are in support of what the Afghans are up to.
But we insist, as do the Afghans, that anybody who is reconciled or who is pursuing reconciliation has to renounce violence, they have to abandon their ties, cut their ties with Al-Qaeda, they have to abide by the laws and the constitution of Afghanistan, including respecting the rights of women and ethnic minorities.
Now, I’m not going to talk about any specifics and meetings and this and that. Within that umbrella this is an Afghan-led process.
I will say to you, again, what we’ve been saying for some two weeks very firmly with regard to the Haqqani Network.
Job one in our relationship with Pakistan is for us to work on the terror and the problem that they are posing to Pakistan, to the US, to Afghanistan.
“The only other thing I would say here is it’s patently ridiculous to think that the American government would be dictating to any other government who should or shouldn’t join its ranks.”
She in effect admitted to the fact that the US has been talking to the Haqqanis.
This makes a mockery of Admiral Mullen and Mr. Karzai, who seem to suggest that talking to the Haqqnis was blasphemy, because they characterized as irreconcilable Talibs. The fact is that the exact opposite is true.
The spokesperson agreed that “These are the Afghans’ and then went on to discuss criteria etc.
Kerry-Kayani secret meeting yields accord: US sees no Indian role in Afghan peace | Rupee News
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[GORKHALI]

Kerry-Kayani secret meeting yields accord: US sees no Indian role in Afghan peace
Posted on 05 October 2011.
In a Rupee News exclusive, we recently reported from our sources that General Kayani held a secret meeting with Senator John Kerry in Abu Dhabi. The first meeting originally held in July smoothed over some of the incidental issues. The meeting this week seem to have attacked the more substantive issues that have irked US-Pakistani relations. The results have now been announced by the State Department–which seems to back in the saddle of US policy making. Admiral Mullen had thrown a spanner into US-Pakistani relations with his erroneous and, and as it turns out false accusations. It has been reveled by the Washington Post, the BBC and confirmed by US, Pakistan and Haqqani officials–that Washington while outwardly showing chagrin at Pakistan–was in fact carrying on negotiations with the Humanism-facilitated by the ISI.
Hence the row back by President Obama and the backtracking by Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.
The US State department has ruled out any mediatory role for India in the Afghan peace process. The US however has welcomed the New Delhi-Kabul strategic partnership agreement as long as it focuses on rebuilding and arts and craft issues.
As it turns out the Karzai side show in Delhi was of no consequence at all
In a well defined and measured statement the US State Department said that Washington believes that the trilateral structure already in place engaging Afghanistan, Pakistan and the United States provided a valuable platform for the way forward. What is important is that Delhi is particularly left out of the peace process
“With regard to playing a mediating role, I don’t think that’s what we’re looking for here. We do believe this trilateral structure is of value and we should continue it,” Victoria Nuland, US State Department Spokesperson remarked.
She responded in the negative when asked if Washington saw a mediatory role for India in Afghan reconciliation process.
Referring to reports about a strategic partnership between India and Afghanistan and India’s likely participation in the New Silk Road Initiative, she said: “Those are both things that we very much welcome.”
The US state department in fact put the Indo-Afghan agreement in the same league as the Indo-Pakistani agreement, nothing less, nothing more. Nullen said that the US supported “any and all warming between Pakistan and India…We’ve been strong supporters of the dialogues that the two governments have been having.”
The US State Department also made the remarks by Hamid Karzai as irrelevant. It seems that the US is now diaptching the US special enovoy to Afghanistan and Pakistan to take the peace process with the Talibs forward. In affect Mr. Karzai’s publicly stated policy of stopping negotiations with Talibs has been thrown into the trash can.
“We’ve seen the public statements, President Karzai’s speech and other things. We’ve had our own conversations. I think this is one of the subjects that Ambassador Grossman will want to talk about when he’s in Afghanistan. You know that we continue to believe that this trilateral structure is of value to all three of us, so we will have that conversation when he’s out there. Grossman, who is on a long trip to Central and South Asia, meeting leaders on the Silk Road Initiative event in November, would be visiting both Afghanistan and Pakistan. “Obviously, he will seek to have intensive conversations with both governments on the full range of issues.”
The above statement is fascinating. It confirms that Mr. Karzai has no power and has no say in the matter. He has jsut been overruled by a lowly State Department employee.
The spokesperson set down the criteria for negotiating with the Talibs.
“ Again, our position on reconciliation is that if you’re going to reconcile, you’ve got to meet these criteria. Our hope would be that those are the same criteria that would be expected in this instance. But if there’s a chance to make those clearer, that’s a good thing.”
“we need a broad and deep collaboration on the whole counterterrorism docket, with Haqqani as Job 1.” Victoria Nuland,
Mattheew Rosenberg of the Wall Street Journal reported that ”U.S. officials this summer secretly met with leaders of the deadly Haqqani network, the Afghan militant group closely tied to al Qaeda, in an effort to draw them into talks on winding down the war. Washington has publicly scorned the group, which is blamed with bringing a new level of violence to the Afghan insurgency and is at the center of the deteriorating U.S. relationship with Pakistan.”
Eric Schmitt of the New York Times also validated the same ” President Obama’s national security adviser met secretly in the Persian Gulf last weekend with Pakistan’s top military officer to deliver a tough message: rein in the Haqqani network, a deadly insurgent group in Afghanistan that the United States says has close ties to Pakistan’s main spy agency. Just a few weeks before, however, American officials held a secret meeting with leaders of the Haqqani network. But then, the purpose was to explore ever so delicately how the group, or at least some of its members, might join talks to end the war in Afghanistan.”
She was cornered about reports that the US had a meeting with the Haqqani militants with the help of Pakistan’s intelligence agency.
“Let me start with where we are on reconciliation. Our position here hasn’t changed.
We support an Afghan-led process of reconciliation.
So our efforts are in support of what the Afghans are up to.
But we insist, as do the Afghans, that anybody who is reconciled or who is pursuing reconciliation has to renounce violence, they have to abandon their ties, cut their ties with Al-Qaeda, they have to abide by the laws and the constitution of Afghanistan, including respecting the rights of women and ethnic minorities.
Now, I’m not going to talk about any specifics and meetings and this and that. Within that umbrella this is an Afghan-led process.
I will say to you, again, what we’ve been saying for some two weeks very firmly with regard to the Haqqani Network.
Job one in our relationship with Pakistan is for us to work on the terror and the problem that they are posing to Pakistan, to the US, to Afghanistan.
“The only other thing I would say here is it’s patently ridiculous to think that the American government would be dictating to any other government who should or shouldn’t join its ranks.”
She in effect admitted to the fact that the US has been talking to the Haqqanis.
This makes a mockery of Admiral Mullen and Mr. Karzai, who seem to suggest that talking to the Haqqnis was blasphemy, because they characterized as irreconcilable Talibs. The fact is that the exact opposite is true.
The spokesperson agreed that “These are the Afghans’ and then went on to discuss criteria etc.
Kerry-Kayani secret meeting yields accord: US sees no Indian role in Afghan peace | Rupee News
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Ruppeenews ???Nation.pk or Associate press ???This what you get the best buddy ??? Show me something not so stupid news link ..BTW WHO'S USA to dictate what we do in Afghanistan ,We not even allowing there ships to refuel in our port ,this how we work.......Independent and sovereignty

 

[LaBong]

Who the **** wants to tread on Afghan quagmire, no need to get involved in nitty-gritty of Afghan petty tribal politics. We'd rather support democratically elected Afghan govt and help the war-ravaged country to rebuild itself. Pakistani can have all the pleasure of acting as a mediator between US and Talibans. Happy Haqqanis and Happy Ray Davis to Pakistan.

 

[Devil Soul]

“With regard to playing a mediating role, I don’t think that’s what we’re looking for here. We do believe this trilateral structure is of value and we should continue it,”

Surely propaganda works with Pakistanis who don't read the article itself but jumps the gun by seeing the headline.

i know its hurts..... i wonder why did'nt the US bring the india's on board for mediating since they are signing all the so called accords....

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Who the **** wants to tread on Afghan quagmire, no need to get involved in nitty-gritty of Afghan petty tribal politics. We'd rather support democratically elected Afghan govt and help the war-ravaged country to rebuild itself. Pakistani can have all the pleasure of acting as a mediator between US and Talibans. Happy Haqqanis and Happy Ray Davis to Pakistan.

Yeah i'm sure Karzai was democratically elected president... & those election where the most free & fair election held ... u win i agree 101% ..

 

[Ghareeb_Da_Baal]

Who the **** wants to tread on Afghan quagmire, no need to get involved in nitty-gritty of Afghan petty tribal politics. We'd rather support democratically elected Afghan govt and help the war-ravaged country to rebuild itself. Pakistani can have all the pleasure of acting as a mediator between US and Talibans. Happy Haqqanis and Happy Ray Davis to Pakistan.

Ease up dude...............................

 

[LaBong]

i know its hurts..... i wonder why did'nt the US bring the india's on board for mediating since they are signing all the so called accords....

---------- Post added at 01:12 PM ---------- Previous post was at 01:11 PM ----------



Yeah i'm sure Karzai was democratically elected president... agree 101%

Why would it hurt, India never wanted to become a mediator to begin with, mainly because India doesn't recognise Taliban(or the good fraction of it).

You may or may not agree to whatever you deem fit, but Govt of Pakistan recognise Karzai govt, go figure.

 

[Devil Soul]

Ruppeenews ???Nation.pk or Associate press ???This what you get the best buddy ??? Show me something not so stupid news link ..BTW WHO'S USA to dictate what we do in Afghanistan ,We not even allowing there ships to refuel in our port ,this how we work.......Independent and sovereignty

Enjoy .. i don't own these news sources... CHILL
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[karan.1970]

Kerry-Kayani secret meeting yields accord: US sees no Indian role in Afghan peace
Posted on 05 October 2011.
In a Rupee News exclusive,

Stopped right there

 

[LaBong]

Ease up dude...............................

Just enjoying my afternoon session slogging dude ...