US seeks Pakistan crackdown on Taliban

[rohailmalhi]

Who created those militant groups?
Now, we did not have to create those groups if India was a neutral state BUT again; every action has a reaction. Now, do not call me an emotional rant but look at yourselves and tell me that am I right or did your strategy ruined Pakistan
And tell me that WOT saved Pakistan.

Actually we did a grave mistake creating these monsters and now we are paying the price of creating them.
This war is ours once they are pushed out of Pakistan thn we are free.
WOT is saving Paksitan till now otherwise ur Uncle sam would have every reason to cum in to Pakistan so as to say to secure Nuclear weapons.They are still trying hard to get there hands on .
But Allah May help us in taming the monster named Talibans , and getting away from a bigger monster Named Uncle Sam.

 

[SekrutYakhni]

The clock can tick for as long it can and all kinds of threats can be put across through the media. We know one thing and one thing alone, it has to be done our way or no way at all.

US is getting highly impatient becuase the Taliban are going from strenght to strenght and have clearly not been damaged to the required extent. The flawed NATO strategy is limiting their succes while allowing the insurgents to toy with different tactics and plans to attack and regain control of the important areas.

As I recall correctly, Obama has put up a deadline only becuase elections will come up at that time and results have to be in favor of the US strategy. The limitations in time, the acknowledgement of Mchrystal that they cannot meet deadlines and other such incidents has the USG on panic mode.

Their media campaign against Karzai backfired when he threatened to join the Taliban, the whole issue of selectvely fighing groups is absurd becuase the areas and groups that threatened us most were dealt with. This is simple logic, we are targeting what we can and who we can becuase they according to US would have overthrown our government and got our nukes.

Our war is for our interest and their war is for theirs. We can only move forward if the solution is desirable and dialogue is used to solve the insurgency problems. You do not get anywhere by killing more and more every day.

We have 100,000 + soldiers in the areas, they have achieved more in a year than what NATO has not done in a decade. This is the fact of the matter, this is an ill conceived war which was initially to get Al Qaeda but they are no where to be found.

Now, what is the exit strategy of PA? Will we ever able to call our troops back from FATA and adjoining areas?
Al Qaeda is an ideology which will ONLY eliminate by education.

 

[karan.1970]

The clock can tick for as long it can and all kinds of threats can be put across through the media. We know one thing and one thing alone, it has to be done our way or no way at all.

US is getting highly impatient becuase the Taliban are going from strenght to strenght and have clearly not been damaged to the required extent. The flawed NATO strategy is limiting their succes while allowing the insurgents to toy with different tactics and plans to attack and regain control of the important areas.

As I recall correctly, Obama has put up a deadline only becuase elections will come up at that time and results have to be in favor of the US strategy. The limitations in time, the acknowledgement of Mchrystal that they cannot meet deadlines and other such incidents has the USG on panic mode.

Their media campaign against Karzai backfired when he threatened to join the Taliban, the whole issue of selectvely fighing groups is absurd becuase the areas and groups that threatened us most were dealt with. This is simple logic, we are targeting what we can and who we can becuase they according to US would have overthrown our government and got our nukes.

Our war is for our interest and their war is for theirs. We can only move forward if the solution is desirable and dialogue is used to solve the insurgency problems. You do not get anywhere by killing more and more every day.

We have 100,000 + soldiers in the areas, they have achieved more in a year than what NATO has not done in a decade. This is the fact of the matter, this is an ill conceived war which was initially to get Al Qaeda but they are no where to be found.

If you read about the reports of first two years of USA's war in Afghanistan, the story was not very different from PA's war against taliban. They also mistook dispersal of Taliban in the hinterlands of Afg as success. In my view, most of the militants from SW have simply spread or sneaked away to other areas, specifically NW. The war for NWFP is far from over. No guerilla force will sustain a head to head stance for long. Its only when PA will be spread thin across the areas in NWFP it supposedly wrests away from Taliban, they will start hitting back, like you see in Afg against NATO forces.

So comparing Afg / NATO with Taliban/PA at this time is foolhardy since the timeline of conflict is very different. 5 years down the line is the time when we will know the degree of success PA has had in this war.

The worst thing for Pakistan that can happen is USA losing interest in Afg or pulls back its troops ahead of time. See Iraq..Pakistan wouldnt want another Iraq in its neighbourhood.

Hopefully Pakistani establishment realizes that and I think they do. Most people who blame Pakistani govt for towing the US line are simply ignoring this aspect..

 

[Bill Longley]

If you read about the reports of first two years of USA's war in Afghanistan, the story was not very different from PA's war against taliban. They also mistook dispersal of Taliban in the hinterlands of Afg as success. In my view, most of the militants from SW have simply spread or sneaked away to other areas, specifically NW. The war for NWFP is far from over. No guerilla force will sustain a head to head stance for long. Its only when PA will be spread thin across the areas in NWFP it supposedly wrests away from Taliban, they will start hitting back, like you see in Afg against NATO forces.

So comparing Afg / NATO with Taliban/PA at this time is foolhardy since the timeline of conflict is very different. 5 years down the line is the time when we will know the degree of success PA has had in this war.

The worst thing for Pakistan that can happen is USA losing interest in Afg or pulls back its troops ahead of time. See Iraq..Pakistan wouldnt want another Iraq in its neighbourhood.

Hopefully Pakistani establishment realizes that and I think they do. Most people who blame Pakistani govt for towing the US line are simply ignoring this aspect..

first of All compareing US operations agaist Taliban and Pakistani Operations is plain stup idity

US was invader from far away land who targetted only Pashtuns
where as Pakistan is fighting war in its own country and PA is from the ppl

so no comparison in the these two different wars

 

[T-Faz]

Now, what is the exit strategy of PA? Will we ever able to call our troops back from FATA and adjoining areas?
Al Qaeda is an ideology which will ONLY eliminate by education.

Sorry, I cannot understand or follow what exactly do you mean, when are we engaing Al Qaeda, where is this Al Qaeda.

The exit strategy is through defeat of the taliban and making the local forces strong enough to sustain any other militancy. Once the core of an insurgency is quashed, it is very difficult for them to regain ground.

Similarly they will not be able to receive overt support through weapons and financial help.

Education is being worked upon, you should look into getting one too.

 

[T-Faz]

If you read about the reports of first two years of USA's war in Afghanistan, the story was not very different from PA's war against taliban. They also mistook dispersal of Taliban in the hinterlands of Afg as success. In my view, most of the militants from SW have simply spread or sneaked away to other areas, specifically NW. The war for NWFP is far from over. No guerilla force will sustain a head to head stance for long. Its only when PA will be spread thin across the areas in NWFP it supposedly wrests away from Taliban, they will start hitting back, like you see in Afg against NATO forces.

So comparing Afg / NATO with Taliban/PA at this time is foolhardy since the timeline of conflict is very different. 5 years down the line is the time when we will know the degree of success PA has had in this war.

The worst thing for Pakistan that can happen is USA losing interest in Afg or pulls back its troops ahead of time. See Iraq..Pakistan wouldnt want another Iraq in its neighbourhood.

Hopefully Pakistani establishment realizes that and I think they do. Most people who blame Pakistani govt for towing the US line are simply ignoring this aspect..

Indians always present the most pessimistic scenario, only becuase we are enemies to them so they naturally would like to see things in a manner that would be of harm to us.. The succes of NATO was not becuase of dispersal of Taliban but rather facing low level insurgents who they tackled easily.

The real Taliban already left through 'Airlift of Evil', they came back in 2005 and that is when the insurgency kicked into full gear. We on the other hand faced the taliban groups directly and not just low level insurgents. Many of the TTP leaders have been killed, whereas, no Taliban leader has been killed by NATO forces.

We fought and defeated TTP, evident in decline of suicide bombings and their operations, NATO has not defeated Taliban, they are still in control of many regions and are able to launch attacks on heavily guarded forts and cities, something that TTP can no longer achieve.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

............... whereas the SD, given Hillary's comments, comes across as a bunch of 'armchair warriors', forever demanding more without any understanding of the limitations and issues faced while fighting a tough COIN campaign.

Mind you, there are many American friends of mine who completely dismiss Hillary Clinton. The words they use for this lady are not suitable for this forum so I will leave it there. But I would like to mention her claim (while campaigning for nomination) of coming under "sniper fire in Bosnia" when she landed there. And indeed it was the biggest blunder. how could she be so stupid? And the American media ceased the opportunity & crucified her.

On a different note, it is already understood that state department comments are mostly for local Audience & mostly made without due thought and then retracted. All these media planned leaks & tough talks are the typical good cop bad cop play and fits in the over all psyche of American media that shapes the opinion of the people and gauges it whenever there is an attempt or an incident relating to terrorism.

American Military is a different story. Gen Petraeus has already understood and even explained to American public & the government that the Pakistan forces are already stretched out & committed in multiple fronts. Opening another front in North Waziristan at this time is difficult until the earlier victories in elsewhere can be consolidated.

For all the past present and future “Do more” mantra, I will like to point out something at the ISAF forces have failed to explain

• If they know that Haqqani & other groups are coming from & going to Pakistani tribal areas why don’t they man those routes?
• Why don’t they patrol & ambush those known routes?
• What are their drones doing during all this time
• With all this technology are they not able to work out the usual routes of Taliban crossings?
• why Afghan government is against mining & fencing the borders? Would it not help stop the infiltration?
• Or is it because then they wont have Pakistan to blame?
• The Afghan & ISAF forces are always so sure to identify the attackers but always fail to stop them from coming why?

• If they want to use the argument that the terrain is rugged, long and hard to police given the limited resources then why Pakistan’s similar explanation is dismissed?

What other consequences Sniper fire Hillary is threatening us with? The US drones have already killed 10 civilians for every 1 terrorist. Is she going to send a drone to presidency in Islamabad? (that’s a quote from an American columnist)

 

[SekrutYakhni]

Sorry, I cannot understand or follow what exactly do you mean, when are we engaing Al Qaeda, where is this Al Qaeda.

The exit strategy is through defeat of the taliban and making the local forces strong enough to sustain any other militancy. Once the core of an insurgency is quashed, it is very difficult for them to regain ground.

Similarly they will not be able to receive overt support through weapons and financial help.

Education is being worked upon, you should look into getting one too.

"Education is being worked upon, you should look into getting one too."

How do you know that I am not getting an education?

"Sorry, I cannot understand or follow what exactly do you mean, when are we engaging Al Qaeda, where is this Al Qaeda"

Taliban, Al Qaeda etc is an ideology (materialistic one) which can only be brought down by a different version of Islam i.e. moderate and true one. The assembly line from which we produced Jihadist are our enemy now. Why? Because we pumped so much hatred against non Muslims in them that they considered the allies of the U.S., Satan's baby.

Lets come out of the physical existence of Al Qaeda and Taliban and look where the problem starts.

THE PROBLEM IS THE DIFFERENCE OF IDEOLOGY.

And one more thing-You are a senior member so act like one. Do not take things personally. You don't know about me so why did you say that I "should" take an education. I hope you'd understand what I meant.

And share some source which backs your opinion i.e. Education is being worked upon.

"The exit strategy is through defeat of the taliban and making the local forces strong enough to sustain any other militancy. Once the core of an insurgency is quashed, it is very difficult for them to regain ground. "

How much time do we need to get out of the mess created by us? Did we announce any exit strategy publicly? Do we have any exit strategy in first place? Aren't we sure about the exit strategy? Or we have not decided yet?
The exit strategy is to educate people and to make them economically strong. Finish the tribal culture which always hurt us internally but is a benefit if we have to fight with others.

Peace will never come by killing insurgents. You can stop the violent acts but in order to bring peace you have to do more than killing.

Not to mention the crippled economy of GREAT PAKISTAN, the leader of Muslim countries.

 

[SekrutYakhni]

One more thing.

Armed Forces are doing better than politicians in terms of stabilizing the economy of war torn areas. BUT we the people of Pakistan have to stand and should contribute. Do not give your used clothes or money instead develop a comprehensive system which includes education, strong economic activities, tourism etc
Legalize casinos and whatnot. Open up your mind and come up with new solutions to improve the economy. We cannot improve ourselves by giving the country in the hands of mullahs, zaid hamid etc

Give education to the children of FATA like the children of elites and you will see the change.