US 'Relocated' ISIS Terrorists Out Of Iraq, Into Syria To Fight Assad

[flamer84]

Ofcouse they do its not like US can forbid them to make deals with others but still US was able to open itself a window which didnt exist before.

So ? Your statement thay they're used as an arms market is mute.US wants stabiity in the region.Turkey wanted it....some time ago.When it was obvious that it wasn't going to be the case,it tried to be a vulture,now it's just in damage control mode but it still acts as an elephant in a china store.Maybe saying Turkey is wrong and Erdogan is more apropiate but they tend to overlap nowadays.Look on how Erdo talked to Iraqi officials...the guy is a megalomaniac and he doesn't posess the hard power to back up his idiotic,heavy rhetoric

Ramadi fell in Mid 2015, the US was back conducting airstrikes since late 2014. It's still unclear why they did nothing in that case.

To show you that you need them?

 

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So ? Your statement thay they're used as an arms market is mute.US wants stabiity in the region.Turkey wanted it....some time ago.When it was obvious that it wasn't going to be the case,it tried to be a vulture,now it's just in damage control mode but it still acts as an elephant in a china store.Maybe saying Turkey is wrong and Erdogan is more apropiate but they tend to overlap nowadays

Why is it mute? They have sold equipment worth billions and even more is getting approved with isis in the country, honestly i dont understand your logic.
Besides mind you im not saying US invaded Iraq just to sell weapons, this would be a too simple explanation for a event of this magnitute, it probably has more reasons for the efford of invading a country based on fake evidences and the hundreds of billions spend for this war.
Actually it would be foolish to claim US spend so much money just to claim a couple billions, what im saying here is its easy to come up with basic explanations without knowing the background.
Whatever the US's main intention in this war might be, one thing is sure, its not for bringing stability because if US really wanted to clean up in Iraq then it would have done it instead of leaving the country after a half done job knowing exactly in what shape Iraq is.

 

[flamer84]

Why is it mute? They have sold equipment worth billions and even more is getting approved with isis in the country, honestly i dont understand your logic.
Besides mind you im not saying US invaded Iraq just to sell weapons, this would be a too simple explanation for a event of this magnitute, it probably has more reasons for the efford of invading a country based on fake evidences and the hundreds of billions spend for this war.
Actually it would be foolish to claim US spend so much money just to claim a couple billions, what im saying here is its easy to come up with basic explanations without knowing the background.
Whatever the US's main intention in this war might be, one thing is sure, its not for bringing stability because if US really wanted to clean up in Iraq then it would have done it instead of leaving the country after a half done job knowing exactly in what shape Iraq is.

Sometimes people get it wrong,the US got it wrong in Iraq.

 

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Sometimes people get it wrong,the US got it wrong in Iraq.

This made me laugh, it reminded me how Erdogan apologized to people for trusting gülen sect.
We all make mistakes no?

 

[f1000n]

To show you that you need them?

If that's true it's sad, at a huge cost.

I remember Iraqi politicians demanded the PMF to retreat, US promised increased air support if they would retreat... thus they retreated then this happened. Either way Ramadi is already retaken but damaged.. This doesn't happen anymore.

Kurds enjoyed most of the air support, they even have JTAC embedded with them.

 

[flamer84]

This made me laugh, it reminded me how Erdogan apologized to people for trusting gülen sect.
We all make mistakes no?

Yes they do.And the US made alot of mistakes.This isn t always a sinister plan....when in doubt read.That's what I do,try to understand things.I listen to lecturers giving their piece,read stuff on the not so trustable internet and I piece together my opinion with what I discover.Am I right ? Don't know.....but I struggle for the truth instead of taking in the first conspiracy theory that comes my way.And,believe me,it takes time out of my life,time I can spend with my family,with friends,but this is who I am,a guy who likes to know the world he lives in,it;s a hobby

 

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Yes they do.And the US made alot of mistakes.This isn t always a sinister plan....when in doubt read.That's what I do,try to understand things.I listen to lecturers giving their piece,read stuff on the not so trustable internet and I piece together my opinion with what I discover.Am I right ? Don't know.....but I struggle for the truth instead of taking in the first conspiracy theory that comes my way.And,believe me,it takes time out of my life,time I can spend with my family,with friends,but this is who I am,a guy who likes to know the world he lives in,it;s a hobby

Ohh now getting personal are we?
Anyways. Good for you, are you suggesting that i believe in conspiracies? How many conspiracy theories have you seen in my posts?
Saying US doesnt always seek the best interest of others is not a conspiracy, its a well known fact, many of those unjust actions have been admitted by US itself, are you sure you read a lot?

Though to be fair, US isnt alone in this, in fact everybody is looking for its interests and nobody is angel but still my point stands, someone who reads a lot and claims to compare multiple sources to seek for the truth wouldnt only point finger to others and declare them as the reason for something while trying to white wash one side, espacially regarding geopolitics.

 

[flamer84]

How many conspiracy theories have you seen in my posts?

I've stopped taking most of Turkish posters seriously when you guys really thought that the Gullenists infiltrated the TAF on the amount you were told of.

First of all,Gullenists infiltrated from the 80's on,mostly in the 90's but the probability of them climbing to 46% of TAF generals/admirals is ZERO(especially since those generals,at least many of them,were officers before the 80's).Seeing all PDF Turks believeing these unicorns tales made me realise that the sultan has its harem

 

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I've stopped taking most of Turkish posters seriously when you guys really thought that the Gullenists infiltrated the TAF on the amount you were told of.

First of all,Gullenists infiltrated from the 80's on,mostly in the 90's but the probability of them climbing to 46% of TAF generals/admirals is ZERO(especially since those generals,at least many of them,were officers before the 80's).Seeing all PDF Turks believeing these unicorns tales made me realise that the sultan has its harem

You are aware that those people replaced their opponents with their own people? Its not only the ones doing a career in military but also those who came into positions they dont deserve.
The former Chief of General Staff who has been arrested in 2008 has confirmed the infos and gave insider informations about the issue and hes anything but a Erdogan supporter, actually he blamed AKP for the empowerment of gülenists openly.

You dont have the articles aviable to us, you only have what western media tells to you (yeah i know western media always tells the truth, im a conspiracy nut job), i witnessed personally the scale of this sect when people in my region that i used to know got arrested and what my relatives told me about them.
So you better stop making judgement about stuff you dont know as much as the people who tell you something.

 

[flamer84]

You are aware that those people replaced their opponents with their own people? Its not only the ones doing a career in military but also those who came into positions they dont deserve.
The former Chief of General Staff who has been arrested in 2008 has confirmed the infos and gave insider informations about the issue and hes anything but a Erdogan supporter, actually he blamed AKP for the empowerment of gülenists openly.

You dont have the articles aviable to us, you only have what western media tells to you (yeah i know western media always tells the truth, im a conspiracy nut job), i witnessed personally the scale of this sect when people in my region that i used to know got arrested and what my relatives told me about them.
So you better stop making judgement about stuff you dont know as much as the people who tell you something.

You only have the Turkish media which is anything but free nowadays.I'm not really convinced about this but Gullen's islamism seems more like a Turk nationalist islamism while Erdogan 's looks like international islamism.Any takes on that ?

 

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You only have the Turkish media which is anything but free nowadays.I'm not really convinced about this but Gullen's islamism seems more like a Turk nationalist islamism while Erdogan 's looks like international islamism.Any takes on that ?

No as said i dont only have Turkish media.
Booth arent nationalist islamism if you ask me.

 

[flamer84]

No as said i dont only have Turkish media.
Booth arent nationalist islamism if you ask me.

Don't know exactly,a Turkish friend surprised me with the ideea that Gullenists are Turkish islamist a few days ago.I'll have to search more info on this.

 

[flamer84]

If that's true it's sad, at a huge cost.

I remember Iraqi politicians demanded the PMF to retreat, US promised increased air support if they would retreat... thus they retreated then this happened. Either way Ramadi is already retaken but damaged.. This doesn't happen anymore.

Kurds enjoyed most of the air support, they even have JTAC embedded with them.

This might sound cynical but,in a way,if you restrain ISIS in some confined spaces of Iraq and Syria and keep them there for a while. you have some nice killing fields of all sorts of jihadis.How many in Europe joined them ? So,it might not be a bad ideea to atract lots of loonies from Western countries and kill them in a well designated geographical space.It would be harder if they go underground.

 

[f1000n]

This might sound cynical but,in a way,if you restrain ISIS in some confined spaces of Iraq and Syria and keep them there for a while. you have some nice killing fields of all sorts of jihadis.How many in Europe joined them ? So,it might not be a bad ideea to atract lots of loonies from Western countries and kill them in a well designated geographical space.It would be harder if they go underground.

It resulted in a massive refugee crisis bringing more jihadis to Europe than ever before. I remember 2012 and 2013, it wasn't long ago but things were very different/safer in Europe. This might not affect the US much but it does affect Europe.