US Politics

[Sharma Ji]

India

how has it failed here ?

 

[beijingwalker]

how has it failed here ?

After 70 years of democracy, the country is still the most hungry nation on this planet, I wouldn't term it as a success.

 

[Rana4pak]

In democracy both good n evil are equall . Democracy is not good for every country

 

[AViet]

A politically naive system, which make a Harvard professor equal to a drug-addicted thug, who would rather care about how to get $100 for his next dose than the future of his country, in deciding its leader, is doom to fail. It is like a big company whose chairman and CEO are selected by voting from all of its 100,000 employees, most of whom do not know and do not care who is who and what the company current and future business are.

The system can only work with limited success in a highly homogeneous and developed societies like Japan, Korea, Taiwan and some small North European countries (before they accept immigrants), not in multicultural and relatively low-IQ societies like the US or Brazil.

I do not advocate for dictatorship, but against it. My preference is a meritocracy, limited democratic system, which China, Vietnam and some other countries are practicing (not related to communism). It has proved historically far more superior than any other systems.

 

[Sharma Ji]

After 70 years of democracy, the country is still the most hungry nation on this planet, I wouldn't term it as a success.

We're a lot better off than 70 years ago.

Indian democracy has not failed.

 

[beijingwalker]

We're a lot better off than 70 years ago.

Indian democracy has not failed.

The human race is better off than 70 years ago, this is for sure, but India is still the hungriest people on this planet ranking next to bottom on almost all human development index lists, please call it a success.

 

[jamahir]

It's not for the military industrial complex to allow occupy or commies or Islamists or anyone else to attain governorship.

The fact remains that the military-industrial complex wants to perpetually keep earning the monies by retaining those governments who wage imperialist wars around the world.

Tell me, how different is the Democrats party from the Republicans ? Obomba won for the Democrats, was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize for some strange reason and then in 2011 began war against Libya and Syria. The Bush family of the Republicans did the same against Iraq.

The rest of the American bureaucratic system keeps the American public pacified through basketball games, muscle cars, barbaric "games" like WWE and boxing, silly Hollywood action films like Fast and Furious, propaganda films like Rambo and The Dictator, and a general sense that USA is superior.

There are so many homeless people in USA yet the government maintains a hugely expensive military to invade Libya where housing was the basic human right of every person. Doesn't that sound ridiculous ? And who is imminently threatening to invade USA ?

They have a handful of "democratic socialists" in congress

I don't understand what "democratic socialists" means ? Tell me what it is in theory and in practice ?

Then Indians are tired of Congress, overthrown them and get BJP in charge. BJP is kind of strong ideological, Hindutva religion nationalism. Kind of dangerous and Nazi type.

If the Indian middle class, who is BJP's main constituency, was merely tired of the Congress it would have asked loudly for other alternatives : the Leftists or for the new Centrist party AAP ( Aam Aadmi Party ) which is currently ruling Delhi state.

Though the first PM, Nehru, wanted Indians to develop Scientific Temper, he unfortunately left behind an education system where the technical facts are provided without much humanities studies. Result is the citizens, especially middle class, who are not empathetic about the so many injustices and tragedies in the country especially in the last 20 years. For example, if in another big country 300,000+ farmers had committed suicide in a span of ten years, for socio-economic reasons, the youth would have risen in revolt against the system. Sadly not here in India. Yes, Indian youth in the earlier decades had conscience like during the rise of the Naxalite ( Maoist) movement in the 1960s which was about bringing justice to oppressed peasants in Bengal. But most Indian youths now would rather keep their head down, go to college, get some job, get married and of course be extremely religious ( be more so than 15 to 20 years back ).

The great change in Indian society began in the 1980s with the Ram Temple movement of the Hindutvadis and this slowly built up to the current state where the various religious communities became ghettoized to various levels. This is why 73 years after our supposed Independence there is not much of inter-religion marriage. In fact currently there is active opposition to it from the national ruling party.

Lastly, I will present a contradiction : opposition among a lot of the middle class to the progressives / intellectuals and religion-driven banging of eating plates to drive away Corona on the orders of Modi, like this mad woman.

Yes, I agree that India may seem to run but it is a dysfunctional country.

 

[Sharma Ji]

The human race is better off than 70 years ago, this is for sure, but India is still the hungriest people on this planet ranking next to bottom on almost all human development index lists, please call it a success.

You can keep trolling all you want but democracy is the system we chose and it has served us well and works for us so far.

People have real representation and get to elect their chosen candidate. That is what democracy promises, not some utopia where the state replaces god or the family.

It has it's flaws, as do all other systems of governance. Do you really believe China is perfect in how the CCP rules ?

btw, I do admire Chinese style authoritarianism in certain aspects, not so much in other aspects.

 

[beijingwalker]

You can keep trolling all you want

Which part of my comment is not right?

 

[jamahir]

We're a lot better off than 70 years ago.

I am reminded of something some Indian ultra-nationalists used to say : "America got electricity for its people in a few hundred years but India got electricity in decades". Is this logical ?

Indian democracy has not failed.

In practice India is a demagogy.

 

[Sharma Ji]

The fact remains that the military-industrial complex wants to perpetually keep earning the monies by retaining those governments who wage imperialist wars around the world.

Tell me, how different is the Democrats party from the Republicans ? Obomba won for the Democrats, was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize for some strange reason and then in 2011 began war against Libya and Syria. The Bush family of the Republicans did the same against Iraq.

The rest of the American bureaucratic system keeps the American public pacified through basketball games, muscle cars, barbaric "games" like WWE and boxing, silly Hollywood action films like Fast and Furious, propaganda films like Rambo and The Dictator, and a general sense that USA is superior.

There are so many homeless people in USA yet the government maintains a hugely expensive military to invade Libya where housing was the basic human right of every person. Doesn't that sound ridiculous ? And who is imminently threatening to invade USA ?

Obama was a total establishment deep state stooge, hardly an independent thinker/doer. The man was a showpiece, controlled by the same deep state Clinton Bush deeply embedded interests. Trump republicans are different.

and they want to get rid of this "evil" man

Wrestling/hollywood and cars and guns and bbq is just their cultural thing. I think they're cool.. what government on earth will give it's subjects the right to keep and bear arms.. to safeguard against a tyrannical government no less ? HIghest level of individual freedom anywhere on earth, America is great.. what are you even talking about ?

As the most successful country (so far), they have a duty to maintain a global military presence. All their wars in the middle east have been aided by other muslim countries in the region.

Have they made mistakes ? sure.. big ones even, but they're not an evil empire like you commies like to believe.

I don't understand what "democratic socialists" means ? Tell me what it is in theory and in practice ?

In the current American context, senator Sanders, congresswoman AOC and squad etc.. this: https://www.dsausa.org/

Which part of my comment is not right?

I live here.

No, we're not all starving and poor and destitute.

Yes, we do have problems.

and yes, our democracy works.

your comments come off as very condescending, which is par for this forum but I try and engage with you anyway.

you have PDF virus lol

I am reminded of something some Indian ultra-nationalists used to say : "America got electricity for its people in a few hundred years but India got electricity in decades". Is this logical ?

Where did I say anything of the sort ?

We ARE much better off as a country than we were 70 years ago just post Independence from the Raj. This is objective reality.

In practice India is a demagogy.

No, we're a democracy. BJP fascism fears are overblown and not reality but that is to be expected from the left and other opposition such as Islamists.

What suddenly flipped in 2014 when we elected Modi ? Nothing.

Why would the Ghandy dynasty rule over us for 50+ years if most of the country were "irrational prejudiced people" ?

 

[RabzonKhan]

Biden took a small lead of 918 votes over Trump in Georgia. Ironically Biden’s lead came from Clayton County, the late John Lewis’ home district.

As was widely expected, Biden inches ahead of Trump in Pennsylvania. Biden now leads with little more than 5000 votes.

 

[vi-va]

The underlying assumption is that the masses can never be at a base level of intellectual capacity where they can make good governance decisions. I don’t agree with that, it is true that countries with poor education levels dont understand democracy and waste it, but the US is at a level where it’s not that big an issue.

Totally disagree.
Education or not doesn't matter at all.

I have degree of science but it doesn't guarantee I can understand society or politics. I learn politics all by myself when I was 30s. Politics was not my cup of tea at all during my school time.

US and EU has high education rate, but their people are still brainwashed like 99% of Indians.

Chinese media in contrast seldom made up stories, we seek wisdom from truth and truth only. Chinese understand US society much better from a distance.

Chinese are educated with dialectics philosophy and traditional value, instead of neo-liberal trash or neo-conservative. It's so clear to us that US is on the wrong track decades ago.

It's not about education, it's about how the politics manipulate the MASS. Even the majority of people are educated with degree, it means little.

The average IQ of MASS is around 100. To be a good political leaders, you need very high IQ and EQ, much higher than 140.

Lee Kuan Yew graduated from Cambridge University with a double starred-first-class honours in law.

Lee Hsien Loong was the Senior Wrangler (ranked 1st in the Math Tripos) at Cambridge. He scored 31 alphas*, 12 more alphas than the runner up. A senior wrangler is the top mathematics undergraduate at Cambridge and is one of the greatest intellectual achievements attainable in Britain.

That's how meritocracy works in Singapore. This is traditional Confucius Value, and we pick the best of the best in thousands in China.

While, you see the senate of US? All of them are bunch of idiots.

 

[raptor22]

Western democracy is not democracy at all. It's just one man one vote. It doomed to fail. When Mass decide the fate of the nation, the nation is finished.

Mass must decide the fate of the nation otherwise it'd be a form of dictatorship. & what you mean it is one man one vote? what is the alternative?

 

[OldenWisdom...قول بزرگ]

Western democracy is not democracy at all. It's just one man one vote. It doomed to fail. When Mass decide the fate of the nation, the nation is finished.

Real democracy is not about the procedure, but the substance.

The western model nowadays is Delegate Model of Representation. It cannot be functional properly.
The Chinese model is Trustee Model of Representation.

This is the difference. If anyone interested, please refer to Edmund Burke (1723–1792) .

The primary flaw of the model is the elective process... a clown circus where right things must be said to the right crowd and whoever takes one more vote takes it all... is it really representative much less merit based? Can the right guy win if he cannot please the crowds? And delivery is much further away...

Just like any critical field leadership is and should be a selective process... all politics being local must be kept at that level and as such, representation. Leaving deliverance of only select assignments at the top for best and brightest. We all have our pursuits and passions and not all of us either fit nor excel in all departments, some are better than others. Remove, glorified past, wealth, theatrics from the incumbents...