US Politics

[Arsalan]

Let’s not ignore other important factor, our demographics have rapidly change since 1952, Asians, Blacks and Hispanics played a very important role in Obama’s wins in 2008 and 2012.

Poll after poll shows that Trump is very unpopular with minority, women and millennial voters, and without their support there’s no way he can win.

Polls also show that he is one of the most un-popular candidate in recent history.


Sorry I have to hit the bed now, but we’ll discuss that tomorrow.

Cheers!

I understand that the general views are that Trump is a bigot, at least that is what is being claimed the general views are!! The issue here is that he is winning the elections to secure nomination. If the views about Trump being a "bad choice" were that much true he would not have been leading the race to secure party nomination. For me, this was the only place where he could have been stopped because if he do wins the nomination, then the chances of his party are already strong in these upcoming elections and we eventually see him in the office.
Personally, i also do not like this guy but the thing is that he is winning the primaries and this was the place with a real chance of stopping him.

 

[VCheng]

I understand that the general views are that Trump is a bigot, at least that is what is being claimed the general views are!! The issue here is that he is winning the elections to secure nomination. If the views about Trump being a "bad choice" were that much true he would not have been leading the race to secure party nomination. For me, this was the only place where he could have been stopped because if he do wins the nomination, then the chances of his party are already strong in these upcoming elections and we eventually see him in the office.
Personally, i also do not like this guy but the thing is that he is winning the primaries and this was the place with a real chance of stopping him.

Just democracy at work Sir.

 

[Arsalan]

Just democracy at work Sir.

may be, but i do not understand why people are still suggesting that Trump is not a strong candidate. For me, if he wins the nomination, there is nothing stopping the Republican this time. doo barian la tu lea han democrats na,,

 

[VCheng]

may be, but i do not understand why people are still suggesting that Trump is not a strong candidate. For me, if he wins the nomination, there is nothing stopping the Republican this time. doo barian la tu lea han democrats na,,

The process is far more important than the personalities, Sir. And Trump, if he becomes President, may not be so bad after all.

 

[anon45]

I understand that the general views are that Trump is a bigot, at least that is what is being claimed the general views are!! The issue here is that he is winning the elections to secure nomination. If the views about Trump being a "bad choice" were that much true he would not have been leading the race to secure party nomination. For me, this was the only place where he could have been stopped because if he do wins the nomination, then the chances of his party are already strong in these upcoming elections and we eventually see him in the office.
Personally, i also do not like this guy but the thing is that he is winning the primaries and this was the place with a real chance of stopping him.

Actually the Primaries in no way reflect how things would go in the general.

Do note that he has not gotten an absolute majority, only a plurality, of Republican voters.

Trump definitely has a dedicated voter base, just like Bernie did, but he alienates pretty much everyone else.

Old White guys and a small amount of angry anti-establishment anarchists will vote for him, but I predict that he will lose very handily in the general, and his presence might demoralize Republicans to the extent that they will lose control of the senate due to lack of down ticket voters.

Meanwhile minorities and women will turn out in force to prevent a Trump presidency.

That's pretty much the reason why the Republican establishment is so against him, he isn't a winning candidate, he is very polarizing, and his rhetoric is absurd.

I mean, you have establishment Republicans WILLING to support Hillary over Trump... that's big.

 

[T-72M1]

 

[Desert Fox]

Sorry I have to hit the bed now, but we’ll discuss that tomorrow.

Cheers!

I'll take it that you have no proof that Trump is racist, as you claimed he was.

Meanwhile minorities and women will turn out in force to prevent a Trump presidency.

The minority vote shouldn't even count considering most of these people are only voting against Trump out of purely racially motivated reasons (yet they call Trump a racist), NOT out of concern for American interests:

1). Most Hispanics are voting against Trump because he wants to deport all illegals and seal the border (what country doesn't enforce border security?)

2). Most Muslims are voting against Trump because he wants to prevent Americans from getting blown up & shot up by terrorist infiltrators, he intends on implementing a temporary ban and deporting all refugees brought in by Obama and Clinton (sensible approach, just see what's happening in Europe).

3). Most Blacks are voting against Trump because they don't want to see a White heterosexual male returning to the White House.

That's it! No other reason. Not because they disagree with Trump's foreign policy. Not because they disagree with his economic policy (hell, most of them don't even know what his economic and foreign policies are), but purely out of RACIAL concerns, nothing more. People like these don't deserve to vote because they have no legitimate reason to vote.

 

[anon45]

I'll take it that you have no proof that Trump is racist, as you claimed he was.

The minority vote shouldn't even count

No, that's not how it works. Minorities get a vote just like anyone else.

considering most of these people are only voting against Trump out of purely racially motivated reasons (yet they call Trump a racist), NOT out of concern for American interests:

If by racially motivated reasons you mean so that they don't have to deal with a racially motivated president, you are right. Any group would vote against someone who said their race was a bunch of rapists. I

1). Most Hispanics are voting against Trump because he wants to deport all illegals and seal the border (what country doesn't enforce border security?)

The method he proposes and the means he wants to pay for it with are both terrible ideas. The 'rapist' comment likely lost him the Hispanic vote, not to mention he has a vocal segment of his voter base which is is racist (he has not disavowed them).

2). Most Muslims are voting against Trump because he wants to prevent Americans from getting blown up & shot up by terrorist infiltrators, he intends on implementing a temporary ban and deporting all refugees brought in by Obama and Clinton (sensible approach, just see what's happening in Europe).

I'm really surprised at this, given your flags state you are Pakistani, and likely Muslim. Are you saying American Muslims want Americans to get blow up and shot by terrorist infiltrators? American Muslims shouldn't be allowed to vote? You didn't think this comment through. His policies will simply aggravate tensions between Muslims and others.

3). Most Blacks are voting against Trump because they don't want to see a White heterosexual male returning to the White House.

No, they don't wan't to see a racist White male in the White house. Hillary is also much beloved by the African American community on the whole, to the point where in 2008, Obama had to fight for that vote. It is a given that they will vote Hillary.

That's it! No other reason. Not because they disagree with Trump's foreign policy. Not because they disagree with his economic policy (hell, most of them don't even know what his economic and foreign policies are), but purely out of RACIAL concerns, nothing more. People like these don't deserve to vote because they have no legitimate reason to vote.

Funny thing is, you are right, they will likely vote out of Racial concern, because Donald Trump MAKES it racial by his comments and his voter base. This has helped him secure a very strong plurality (not majority!) in the Republican party, but will hamper him when it comes to the general.

Thankfully your view on whether Black's Hispanic's, Muslim's, and Women deserve to get a vote is irrelevant, they do get the vote.[/QUOTE]

 

[Desert Fox]

No, that's not how it works. Minorities get a vote just like anyone else.



If by racially motivated reasons you mean so that they don't have to deal with a racially motivated president, you are right. Any group would vote against someone who said their race was a bunch of rapists. I

The method he proposes and the means he wants to pay for it with are both terrible ideas. The 'rapist' comment likely lost him the Hispanic vote, not to mention he has a vocal segment of his voter base which is is racist (he has not disavowed them).



I'm really surprised at this, given your flags state you are Pakistani, and likely Muslim. Are you saying American Muslims want Americans to get blow up and shot by terrorist infiltrators? American Muslims shouldn't be allowed to vote? You didn't think this comment through. His policies will simply aggravate tensions between Muslims and others.



No, they don't wan't to see a racist White male in the White house. Hillary is also much beloved by the African American community on the whole, to the point where in 2008, Obama had to fight for that vote. It is a given that they will vote Hillary.



Funny thing is, you are right, they will likely vote out of Racial concern, because Donald Trump MAKES it racial by his comments and his voter base. This has helped him secure a very strong plurality (not majority!) in the Republican party, but will hamper him when it comes to the general.

Thankfully your view on whether Black's Hispanic's, Muslim's, and Women deserve to get a vote is irrelevant, they do get the vote.

But which of his comments was "racist"?? That's the problem, everyone's calling him "racist" yet can't provide where he made a racist statement!

Secondly, yes there are rapists and criminals who are entering/have entered our country through the Mexican border and have caused a lot of trouble, thus that border should/must be sealed and all illegals deported. So how is that "racist" again?

Finally, can you tell me how exactly Trump is "racist" against Muslims for wanting to implement a temporary ban on Muslim immigration and stop any refugees from coming in?? Anyone opposing this policy is by default, in favor of terrorist infiltrating and harming American citizens.

Me being Muslim in fact gives me more exposure to the mentality of Muslims, whether in America or abroad, and trust me, a good number of them don't like America, they're just leaching off of it for economic reasons, that's it, just as they're doing in Europe, where they knowingly sheltered one of the masterminds of the Paris Attacks for weeks.

 

[Arsalan]

Meanwhile minorities and women will turn out in force to prevent a Trump presidency.

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Even if it means keeping democrats in office?

Well thanks a lot for the detailed reply. That was helpful Considering you have first hand knowledge and know the ground situation better so will like to know just this from you, what your opinion?

 

[VCheng]

Even if it means keeping democrats in office?

Well thanks a lot for the detailed reply. That was helpful Considering you have first hand knowledge and know the ground situation better so will like to know just this from you, what your opinion?

There is nothing wrong with re-electing a Democrat President either, Sir, and I say this as a registered Republican. Whoever wins by due process, wins.

 

[Arsalan]

There is nothing wrong with re-electing a Democrat President either, Sir, and I say this as a registered Republican. Whoever wins by due process, wins.

I understand your emphasis on "due process" and understand the meaning behinde this but in emphasising on this you are missing what i actually am looking for
Do you think that people may chose not to support trump even if it means selecting a

The question was:

Meanwhile minorities and women will turn out in force to prevent a Trump presidency.
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If if this means electing a Democrat again?

It is not about the system brother, i am just asking about the general mentality of public, will people go this far that they may change there party if they do not like the candidate? will you? IF suppose you also didn't liked Trump?

 

[VCheng]

I understand your emphasis on "due process" and understand the meaning behinde this but in emphasising on this you are missing what i actually am looking for
Do you think that people may chose not to support trump even if it means selecting a

The question was:

If if this means electing a Democrat again?

It is not about the system brother, i am just asking about the general mentality of public, will people go this far that they may change there party if they do not like the candidate? will you? IF suppose you also didn't liked Trump?

You might be surprised just how many people may decide to support Trump against Hillary. If Trump is bad, Hillary may be even worse. It is still too early to see which way such an election would go.

 

[Arsalan]

You might be surprised just how many people may decide to support Trump against Hillary. If Trump is bad, Hillary may be even worse. It is still too early to see which way such an election would go.

Well again, i was asking that do you think people will decide to change the party and vote for a democrat as many sources claim just because they do not want Trump? It can be other way around as well but i asked thins based on what little i came to know about the current situation. Lets hope @anon45 can give a straight answer.

 

[T-72M1]

You might be surprised just how many people may decide to support Trump against Hillary. If Trump is bad, Hillary may be even worse. It is still too early to see which way such an election would go.

he's almost caught up with crooked Hillary in a few recent national polls, come november, and it won't surprise me if he routes her in a landslide.