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[T-72]

interesting conversation:

 

[T-72]

 

[T-72]

Ok, finally watched the speech..

"we will destroy ISIS...at the same time, we will pursue a new foreign policy that finally learns from the mistakes of the past, we will stop looking to topple regimes and overthrow governments"

"our goal is stability, not chaos"

 

[cloud4000]

Great post, as usual. Quite extensive that I cannot respond to all points, but I would like to touch on a few.

Brooklyn is indeed ground zero for hipsters. But not for the "rich liberal elite"---whatever that means. Why the focus on liberals? Rich people are more likely to be conservative. Republicans do support policies that benefit the rich, after all.

That Republicans is the party of the rich and Democrats is the party of the working class is not as clear cut these days as it use to be. This election proved it, in my opinion. Look who voted for Democrats and who voted for Republicans.

It wasn't delusion. It was poor polling data. If the polls had shown a clear victory for Trump, the "MSM" would not have predicted a victory for Clinton. Polls let the nation down.

It was something I touched on in this very thread. Turnout was not as high as had been predicted among Democrats/young people/liberals, and she lost as a result (though she still received 2 million more votes in total than Trump).

No doubt poor polling data played their part in this election, but I must tell there is a sizable number of people who thought Clinton's victory was all but guaranteed. To the them Trump was a joke. Easily defeated...and by landslide too. I think this complacency also kept many Democrats at home too.

 

[ultron]

That Republicans is the party of the rich and Democrats is the party of the working class is not as clear cut these days as it use to be. This election proved it, in my opinion. Look who voted for Democrats and who voted for Republicans.

Some of the riches in the US are Democrats. Warren Buffet. George Soros. The Democratic party is definitely NOT the party of the poor.

Democrats play upon the poor for votes. What do Democrats do for poor people? Nothing.

 

[T-72]

sizable number of people who thought Clinton's victory was all but guaranteed. To the them Trump was a joke. Easily defeated...and by landslide too. I think this complacency also kept many Democrats at home too.

and did most of these people really not care about their foreign policy at all, not even a little bit ? I'll tell you from an outsider's perspective, the choice was clear as day and night, black and white, piss and beer, pudding and poop..

crooked hillary was always about more war, maybe even ww3, and supporting terrorists, and taking money from shady arab regimes and doing their bidding etc

Trump otoh, his campaign was always about no more war, no more supporting terrorists, no more regime change, diffuse tensions with Russia, make more allies, peace and common sense.

We, the rest of the world are so relieved that horrible evil bitch is not going to have a chance to destroy the planet like she planned to.

 

[Solomon2]

No doubt poor polling data played their part in this election -

Before the election the mainstream media thought "the jury was out" as to whether it made a difference: link.

I don't think it's always a good idea to answer political phone polls. Only the elections for president and senate are truly democratic; in the house of representatives the ruling party at the state level in many states uses polling data to gerrymander congressional districts to maximum advantage, creating many districts with small majorities in their favor vs. a few districts crammed with the opposition. In essence, the politicians are choosing their voters, rather than the other way 'round. The distortion leads to extremism at the political level: a state may be 60% Democrat and 40% Republican but end up with 80% Democrat and 20% Republican as its representation.

 

[Desert Fox]

Before the election the mainstream media thought "the jury was out" as to whether it made a difference: link.

They were just proven to be big liars. Though it seems they have learned very little.

Ok, finally watched the speech..

"we will destroy ISIS...at the same time, we will pursue a new foreign policy that finally learns from the mistakes of the past, we will stop looking to topple regimes and overthrow governments"

"our goal is stability, not chaos"

That is a very sensible policy. I don't see how anyone could disagree with Trump's foreign policy in the Middle East which is a far cry from the neo-Con Hillary's designs to overthrow stable governments.

We need to re-instill an ethic of corporate patriotism. We need to send a very loud and clear message to corporate America: The era of outsourcing is over. Instead of offshoring jobs, the time has come for you to start bringing good-paying jobs back to America.

"We"? Who's this "we"? Didn't Bernie the fake commie chicken out to Hillary? So much for "feel the Berne" aye?

It's easy for this "socialist" to make suggestions from his $600,000 lakefront home in Vermont. When it came to walking the talk he didn't even try to fight for his supporters.

Sometimes people need reminding that Bernie Sanders is a socialist. And socialism doesn't work. You just need to re-read Bernie's election platform to be reminded that -- humble and straightforward as he is -- the man has some pretty nutty ideas that borders on the insane.

Bernie's not humble. The guy reeks of hypocrisy. What kind of "socialist" owns three homes, the latest one of which is $600,000? Not to mention his race baiting comment that "no White person understands poverty" meanwhile the entire White Appalachian population which is 97% White lives under the national poverty line. Bernie's a conman who took $200,000,000 donations from his jobless supporters and still didn't even attempt to fight for them at the DNC like he promised. I'm glad Bernie supporters got what they deserved.

If the US becomes a hostile place to do business -- be it under Bernie or Trump -- they will just take their business elsewhere. If Bernie wants to see capital flight from the US, just keep coming up with these crazy ideas.

I have faith businesses will flourish under Trump as he is pushing for a business friendly evniornment to persuade big businesses to stay and encourage small businesses to flourish.

 

[T-72]

That is a very sensible policy. I don't see how anyone could disagree with Trump's foreign policy in the Middle East which is a far cry from the neo-Con Hillary's designs to overthrow stable governments.

Make Syria Great Again

and an Israeli/Palestine peace deal sometime within these next 8 years, lulz away but I'm not joking.. I'll bump this in X years when it happens.

and he'll probably clear those free F-16s for Pakistan when India reject the block70IN or whatever the obongo regime are trying to push now.

 

[Desert Fox]

and he'll probably clear those free F-16s for Pakistan when India reject the block70IN or whatever the obongo regime are trying to push now.

I hope not. Pakistan needs to learn its lesson (if they haven't already) that depending on America for anything is bad for Pakistan's interests. One of the reasons i voted Trump because his tough stance on military and financial aid to Pakistan will finally end Pakistan's dependence on American support and shift Pakistan's priorities towards more self sufficiency and partnership with Russia (and other alternative sources) for military hardware. The West (including America) have a history of pulling the plug on Pakistan when it has needed their assistance the most.

 

[T-72]

I hope not. Pakistan needs to learn its lesson (if they haven't already) that depending on America for anything is bad for Pakistan's interests. One of the reasons i voted Trump because his tough stance on military and financial aid to Pakistan will finally end Pakistan's dependence on American support and shift Pakistan's priorities towards more self sufficiency and partnership with Russia (and other alternative sources) for military hardware. The West (including America) have a history of pulling the plug on Pakistan when it has needed their assistance the most.

He's a businessman and a very astute strategist, expect him to dangle bait and even whip everyone (allies included) with all the leverage he's got whenever he can to get a deal for 'murrica.

I don't think he'll be relaxing regulations on Pakistani F-16s to allow them to participate in any war games with Russia/China. Spl if they're US taxpayer subsided, "not gonna happen anymore, folks"

These (western)monopolists pulled the plug on both India and Pak after we went nuclear as China and Russia stood by their junior partners (let's face it, India and Pak are exactly that)

Anyway, hopefully India/Pak remain slightly lower down the stack of shit the POTUS goes through every day. I'm happy about Trump winning, let's all make deals and make the planet great again, yes ?

 

[GiannKall]

Say that three times
"Global Jihadism"
"Global Jihadism"
"Global Jihadism"
!!!!
It didnt worked. What now?

 

[Thəorətic Muslim]

Damn... Not sure General Mad Dog can hold out now...

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Great news !

 

[Mitro]

That's very good trump has to do about saudi jihadi ideology which American use against USSR .
It will be a great service to peace loving Muslim all around the world .