US Planning to Snatch Pakistan's Nukes

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

A better location is the US military bases in Afghanistan and Iraq....attacking them is more direct way of retaliating.

They can be targeted too, but even their obliteration won't damage the US significantly, and it certainly won't affect the world much.

The world, and the US economy, have a much larger stake in the Gulf Oil infrastructure and Gulf and Indian economies.

Target that which will hurt them the most, and that is the only way to ensure 'deterrence'.

 

[majesticpankaj]

Why would the world sit by and allow the Gulf Oil infrastructure and Indian, Israeli and Gulf economies to be demolished in a nuclear exchange?

Globalization and the interlinked global economy and the nearby hub of global oil supplies is what gives Pakistan its 'deterrent'.

why do u think that This countries won't be informed by the US and won't be under confidence of US ?

And one thing u are missing that this countries can also use their nukes before pakistan ?

 

[The Deterrent]

They can be targeted too, but even their obliteration won't damage the US significantly, and it certainly won't affect the world much.

The world, and the US economy, have a much larger stake in the Gulf Oil infrastructure and Gulf and Indian economies.

Target that which will hurt them the most, and that is the only way to ensure 'deterrence'.

It would...where would there forces run back to for supplies and stuff?...and they could lose thousands of soldiers in a single day...

By attacking other states we would only lower our position.

 

[majesticpankaj]

They can be targeted too, but even their obliteration won't damage the US significantly, and it certainly won't affect the world much.

The world, and the US economy, have a much larger stake in the Gulf Oil infrastructure and Gulf and Indian economies.

Target that which will hurt them the most, and that is the only way to ensure 'deterrence'.

U are giving the impression that if US targets the Pak's nukes..eventually pakistan would be wipe out ?

 

[ashokdeiva]

Why would the world sit by and allow the Gulf Oil infrastructure and Indian, Israeli and Gulf economies to be demolished in a nuclear exchange?

Globalization and the interlinked global economy and the nearby hub of global oil supplies is what gives Pakistan its 'deterrent'.

Deterence is ok, but attacks like Mumbai, Parliment are designed in mind that India will not dare to cross the border because of your nukes. This mentality has to go away from your military planners while supporting cross border terrorism. The more you fuel it(non government actor like terror cells) the more you have a threat at home that these entities that you sponser might become hostile to you and can even take over one of your nuclear launch facility to strike at India or Isreal.

 

[The Deterrent]

U are giving the impression that if US targets the Pak's nukes..eventually pakistan would be wipe out ?

If we respond with nukes,I'm afraid the result could be a wipe-out.

 

[The Deterrent]

Deterence is ok, but attacks like Mumbai, Parliment are designed in mind that India will not dare to cross the border because of your nukes. This mentality has to go away from your military planners while supporting cross border terrorism. The more you fuel it(non government actor like terror cells) the more you have a threat at home that these entities that you sponser might become hostile to you and can even take over one of your nuclear launch facility to strike at India or Isreal.

Terrorists can take away our nukes.....this mentality has to go away too!

 

[ashokdeiva]

Terrorists can take away our nukes.....this mentality has to go away too!

so terrorist are what? you think as if your government controls all your state sponsered cells. there are a lot of chance that the intolerant idiots of the terror cells want to over throw your government to establish the way they think Pakistan should be.

 

[Prometheus]

Why would the world sit by and allow the Gulf Oil infrastructure and Indian, Israeli and Gulf economies to be demolished in a nuclear exchange?

Globalization and the interlinked global economy and the nearby hub of global oil supplies is what gives Pakistan its 'deterrent'.

So you are saying that if you cannot hit the tiger ......go for the goat?????

So as a matter of fact.....pakistan will launch its nukes to all surrounding areas although non will hit USA !!!!!
Dont you think that will make Pakistan a bomb testing area for rest of the world????

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

U are giving the impression that if US targets the Pak's nukes..eventually pakistan would be wipe out ?

During the Cold war, both the US and USSR (along with perhaps significant chunks of the rest of the world) also were at risk of being 'wiped out' in case of a conflict using nukes.

That risk is what allowed for 'deterrence' - neither side wanted to get to that point, regardless of the differences.

Yes, Pakistan would stand to be 'obliterated' through retaliatory nukes strikes by Israel, India and the West (India currently does not have the capability to 'wipe out Pakistan' by itself), but the fact that there would also be massive damage to regional countries, economies and the hub of the global oil trade, might act as the 'deterrent factor' in the absence of a Pakistani capability to target the West with its nukes directly.

IMO, the world would need some very strong justification to take on such a risk - perhaps a madman in charge of Pakistan looking to 'nuke Israel and India' without any provocation.

 

[majesticpankaj]

I believe terrorists are the biggest threat to Pakistan's nukes than US. Because terrorists are no sane people they will use it for their heinous purpose and would have severe implications for Pakistan. US will take that more of a suicidal action when she will be 100% sure that it is going into wrong hands.

 

[VCheng]

I know, and unless Riaz Haq's figures are wrong, I am at a loss to explain how consumer spending and consumer product manufacturing is rising at the rates it is, given the economic situation for the past few years ...

An economy based on a 'agriculture and a massive undocumented sector' may have something to do with it.

You mean these figures?

http://www.defence.pk/forums/economy-development/122981-pakistan-consumer-spending-up-2010-11-a.html

How do figures of spending a steadily declining currency on imported goods with a worsening balance of payments indicate economic strength?

Agriculture is a great sector for producing wealth I agree, but vulnerable to critical inputs such as weather, water and fertilizers. The undocumented sector can be estimated by indirect means, and even those estimates do not bode well for economic strength.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

So you are saying that if you cannot hit the tiger ......go for the goat?????

So as a matter of fact.....pakistan will launch its nukes to all surrounding areas although non will hit USA !!!!!
Dont you think that will make Pakistan a bomb testing area for rest of the world????

I am saying that Pakistan threatens to cause significant and long term damage to the global economy, and therefore prevents an assault upon Pakistan's nuclear infrastructure and therefore prevent a nuclear exchange to begin with.

Whether we attack the regional economies or the West (if we develop that capability in the future) the response is going to be massive in either case. The point is to prevent events from getting to a nuclear exchange.

 

[ashokdeiva]

So you are saying that if you cannot hit the tiger ......go for the goat?????

So as a matter of fact.....pakistan will launch its nukes to all surrounding areas although non will hit USA !!!!!
Dont you think that will make Pakistan a bomb testing area for rest of the world????

The problem is that, they(the People of Pakistan and their Government and Military) has alway tought of a short term solution for what ever problem they conceive in mind. They had no good strategic vision for its growth. The only thing thats haunting every Pakistaini mind ever since the creation of Pakistan is that India will occupy her. Thats the reason for every pre-empty action that has resulted in the past.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

You mean these figures?

http://www.defence.pk/forums/economy-development/122981-pakistan-consumer-spending-up-2010-11-a.html

How do figures of spending a steadily declining currency on imported goods with a worsening balance of payments indicate economic strength?

Agriculture is a great sector for producing wealth I agree, but vulnerable to critical inputs such as weather, water and fertilizers. The undocumented sector can be estimated by indirect means, and even those estimates do not bode well for economic strength.

I was referring solely to the reported increase in domestic production of manufactured goods, not to imports:

First 9 months of fiscal 2010-2011 saw production of television sets jump 28.6% and automobile production increase by 14.6%, according to Economic Survey of Pakistan 2010-2011. From July 2010 to March 2011, production of cars, light commercial vehicles and two and three wheelers grew by 16.4%, 20.5% and 12.6% respectively. These figures confirm the return of Pakistanis' appetite for consumer durables after a significant drop from 2007-2008 to 2008-2009.​