US panel urges punishment for China cyber spying

[Genesis]

From China. Still. And no, we are not saints, we are just better.

it's good that you think that, I mean from someone who calls all Chinese brain washed, you sure sound republican.

 

[JSCh]

Quoting the Office of Naval Intelligence, the report said that China by 2020 will likely have 313-342 submarines -- including around 60 that can fire intercontinental ballistic missiles or cruise missiles against ships.

The ONI must be either drunk or stoned.

 

[ephone]

Then tell me how the whole world should punish NSA and US in the same sense???

A US panel Wednesday called for tougher action against China, including possible sanctions to stop cyber spying, warning that Beijing has yet to be persuaded to end rampant espionage.

In an annual report to Congress, the US-China Economic and Security Review Commission charged that Beijing "is directing and executing a large-scale cyber espionage campaign" that has penetrated the US government and private industry.

"There is an urgent need for Washington to take action to prompt Beijing to change its approach to cyberspace and deter future Chinese cyber theft," said the commission, which was set up by Congress to make policy recommendations.

The report listed proposals aimed at "changing the cost-benefit calculus" for China including banning the import of the manufacturing giant's goods that are determined to include technologies stolen from the United States.

Other possibilities include restricting access to US banks for companies deemed to have used stolen technologies or banning travel to the United States for people involved in hacking.

The commission did not endorse specific steps but said the potential measures "would be more effective if used in combination."

"They probably would lead Beijing to make only temporary or minor changes to its cyber espionage activities if used in isolation," it said.

The report comes after months of disclosures by former contractor Edward Snowden that US intelligence has engaged in sweeping espionage worldwide, including monitoring online correspondence and tapping the communications of leaders of both friendly and rival countries.

China has cited Snowden's revelations to accuse US President Barack Obama of double standards, saying that Beijing is also a victim of cyber espionage.

The report said the United States and China have maintained dialogue on cybersecurity but quoted observers as estimating that Snowden's disclosures have set back US efforts "by at least six months."

"Frankly, yes, it has hurt the US ability to express concern. There's no question of that," Dennis Shea, the vice chairman of the commission, told reporters.

"But we continue to believe that this is an important issue, and at least I personally believe there is a distinction between what the United States does for security purposes and the whole scale economic espionage that's going on directed against the United States," he said.

In a report released in February, the security firm Mandiant said China was devoting thousands of people to, and has made a major investment in, a military-linked unit that has pilfered intellectual property and government secrets.

The commission said the Chinese unit decreased activity for about one month after the Mandiant report, but that the reduction may have been because the US government shared information with Internet service providers.

Challenging US military dominance

The wide-ranging annual report warned that China, which has steadily ramped up its military budget as its economy soared to the world's second largest, may soon challenge US forces' dominant role in Asia.

People's Liberation Army "modernization is altering the security balance in the Asia-Pacific, challenging decades of US military preeminence in the region," it said.

China is "rapidly expanding and diversifying its ability to strike US bases, ships and aircraft" throughout the region, including areas it could not previously reach, such as the US Pacific territory of Guam, it said.

Quoting the Office of Naval Intelligence, the report said that China by 2020 will likely have 313-342 submarines -- including around 60 that can fire intercontinental ballistic missiles or cruise missiles against ships.

Obama has pledged to "pivot" US foreign policy to pay greater attention to Asia in light of the rise of China, which has increasingly tense relations with US allies Japan and the Philippines over territorial disputes.

The commission called on Congress to fund shipbuilding to meet Obama's goal of stationing 60 percent of US warships in the Asia-Pacific by 2020, up from 50 percent.

The United States has reduced military spending as it seeks to control its debt following two wars and a recession. But the Republican Party, which has pushed Obama for greater cuts to social services, generally supports military funding.

US panel urges punishment for China cyber spying

 

[gambit]

Then tell me how the whole world should punish NSA and US in the same sense???

Sanction US. But keep in mind, an economic sanction is voluntary. Whoever instigate it must create an alliance of the same mind and intent, and all members of this club must agree to create an internal punitive measure in case of any who chose not to obey the club's rules.

Good luck.

 

[Rainmaker]

Seems by the collapse in China sales at Cisco, IBM, HP and others that US tech companies are being replaced by China's domestic companies.

NSA revelations are the best thing that happened to China's tech industry.

 

[conworldus]

NSA revelations are the best thing that happened to China's tech industry.

From China. Still. And no, we are not saints, we are just better.

"We"? You are not an American.

 

[applesauce]

From China. Still. And no, we are not saints, we are just better.

better? lol
when it comes to cyber attacks/spying the US is worse, it lectures others, punishes others only for us to find out it does the exact same thing. whatever china did, it didn't point fingers all over the place and demand punishment for the same cyber-spying it did.

Sanction US. But keep in mind, an economic sanction is voluntary. Whoever instigate it must create an alliance of the same mind and intent, and all members of this club must agree to create an internal punitive measure in case of any who chose not to obey the club's rules.

Good luck.

a general sanction on the US is not possible, however a general sanction on china is not possible either, even the military sanction is extremely leaky. and on the topic of punishment. its already happening, check the latest reports of major tech companies. the US blocks huawei for no reason other than its chinese. the PRC has enough economic muscle to start playing that game too.

 

[Obambam]

Since the US controls Internet root servers. Why not simply severe China's access to the Internet? Problem solved and no more whining.

 

[Jlaw]

I guess you know nothing bout economy or economy wars…

Second…….. Did u know China is export economy?

Did you know China only exports 5% of total exports to USA?

 

[Falcon29]

It's hypocritical of this committee, but they will do what they can to get the best of both worlds.

I remember charges against Chinese consumer electronics 'Huawei', they denied such charges.

So this is based on economic security, I wouldn't get too rad up about it. Maybe some restrictions will be placed or they will add more procedures and requirements for imported goods.

This confuses me though, sometimes we are told these two nations get along but clearly there is a proxy war between the two.

It's only a matter of when it's gonna explode.

 

[SR-91]

Did you know China only exports 5% of total exports to USA?

U pulled this number out of a hat!!
Actually its 19%, dnt talk out of ur azz .Do some homework….trade with U.S gives china over 200 billion DOLLARS in trade SURPLUS.

 

[Rainmaker]

U pulled this number out of a hat!!
Actually its 19%, dnt talk out of ur azz .Do some homework….trade with U.S gives china over 200 billion DOLLARS in trade SURPLUS.

17% actually.

That trade surplus is funded by our monetary policy.

That should be domestic consumption in China but due to our monetary policy our goods are consumed by Americans as the Renminbi is held down artificially to export thereby suppressing Chinese purchasing power.

America's ability consume Chinese goods is determined by our us. We can cut them off through a stronger exchange rate where consumption power is transferred to Chinese consumers.

Anyone can consume goods but their ability to consume is decided by the purchasing power of the currency and the wages.

China has a western style middle class ($50,000+) that's approaching 100 million. China is already the largest consumer of many goods such as automobiles, PC, smartphones, tablet, home appliances, clothing, etc.

 

[Jlaw]

U pulled this number out of a hat!!
Actually its 19%, dnt talk out of ur azz .Do some homework….trade with U.S gives china over 200 billion DOLLARS in trade SURPLUS.

There was a Pdf article posted here by two PHD economists stating it was only 5% of global exports. Someone can post again?

 

[ephone]

So it is still testing who has the strongest muscle, not exactly by some code of ethics at all. That is exactly my point.

Sanction US. But keep in mind, an economic sanction is voluntary. Whoever instigate it must create an alliance of the same mind and intent, and all members of this club must agree to create an internal punitive measure in case of any who chose not to obey the club's rules.

Good luck.