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(Reuters) -Chip designer Nvidia Corp on Wednesday said that U.S. officials told it to stop exporting two top computing chips for artificial intelligence work to China, a move that could cripple Chinese firms' ability to carry out advanced work like image recognition and hamper a business Nvidia expects to generate $400 million in sales this quarter.

Nvidia shares fell 4% after hours. The company said the ban, which affects its A100 and H100 chips designed to speed up machine learning tasks, could interfere with completion of developing the H100, the flagship chip Nvidia announced this year.

Shares of Nvidia rival Advanced Micro Devices were down 2% after hours. An AMD spokesman told Reuters it had received new license requirements that will stop its MI250 artificial intelligence chips from being exported to China but it believes its MI100 chips will not be affected. AMD said it does not believe the new rules will have a material impact on its business.

Nvidia said U.S. officials told it the new rule "will address the risk that the covered products may be used in, or diverted to, a "military end use" or "military end user" in China."

The announcement signals a major escalation of the U.S. crackdown on China's technological capabilities as tensions bubble over the fate of Taiwan, where chips for Nvidia and almost every other major chip firm are manufactured.

Without American chips from companies like Nvidia and its rival Advanced Micro Devices, Chinese organizations will be unable to cost-effectively carry out the kind of advanced computing used for image and speech recognition, among many other tasks.

Image recognition and natural language processing are common in consumer applications like smartphones that can answer queries and tag photos. They also have military uses such as scouring satellite imagery for weapons or bases and filtering digital communications for intelligence gathering purposes.

AMD did not immediately respond to request for comment.

Nvidia said it had booked $400 million in sales of the affected chips this quarter to China that could be lost if Chinese firms decide not to buy alternative Nvidia products. It said it plans to apply for exemptions to the rule but has "no assurances" that U.S. officials will grant them.

Stacy Rasgon, a financial analyst with Bernstein, said the disclosure signaled that about 10% of Nvidia's data center sales, which investors have closely monitored in recent years, were coming from China and that the hit to sales was likely "manageable" for Nvidia.

“It’s not (investment) thesis changing, but it’s not a good look,” Rasgon said. “What happens on both sides now is the question,” he said about possible escalations going forward.

 
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Nvidia stock falls after U.S. government restricts chip sales to China​

PUBLISHED WED, AUG 31 2022 6:07 PM EDT UPDATED AN HOUR AGO

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  • Nvidia said on Wednesday that it's been told by the U.S. government to stop selling chips in China and Russia.
  • The company said it was applying for a license to continue some Chinese exports but doesn't know whether the U.S. government will grant an exemption.
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Nvidia headquarters in Santa Clara, California, on Tuesday, Feb. 23, 2021.
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Nvidia shares fell 6.5% in extended trading on Wednesday after the company said the U.S. government is restricting sales in China.

In a filing with the SEC, Nvidia said the U.S. government told the company on Aug. 26, about a new license requirement for future exports to China, including Hong Kong, to reduce the risk that the products may be used by the Chinese military.

Nvidia said the restriction would affect the A100 and H100 products, which are graphics processing units sold to businesses.

"The license requirement also includes any future Nvidia integrated circuit achieving both peak performance and chip-to-chip I/O performance equal to or greater than thresholds that are roughly equivalent to the A100, as well as any system that includes those circuits," the filing said.

The company expects that it could lose $400 million in potential sales in China in the current quarter after previously forecasting revenue of $5.9 billion. The new rule also applies to sales to Russia, but Nvidia said it doesn't have paying customers there.

In recent years, the U.S. government has applied increasing export restrictions to chips made with U.S. technology because of fears that Chinese companies could use them for military purposes or steal trade secrets.

Nvidia said it was applying for a license to continue some Chinese exports but doesn't know whether the U.S. government will grant an exemption.

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This is good for China and bad for the US. China could and should use this as an excuse to stop selling many more industrial products except fentanyl to the States. It's time for Beijing to grow some balls.
 
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This is good for China and bad for the US. China could and should use this as an excuse to stop selling many more industrial products except fentanyl to the States. It's time for Beijing to grow some balls.
China need to promote free market to encourage investors. While USA is the opposite. See now, there is hardly any investor willing to invest in USA. The US even need to use subsidize to encourage others to come and invest. Btw, TSMC, Samsung and many others are not stupid to invest in USA. They are trying to lynch the US subsidize while preserve their own manufacturing capacity.
 
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America has become the land of Communism. China has become the land of free market. How ironic.
Seriously, what about when Jack Ma went underground when he talked about the Govt and then had to leave his fintech company. Or the over reach in getting Chinese companies to delist from NYSE.

By all means these are both decisions in selfish interest of each country. Feel free to criticize the US. But just because Chinese have a 1 milion people monitoring your posts don't make it sound as if China is land of the pure. No country is pure and altruistic

Chinese have intelligent people. Chinese don't need Americans to make chips.
Cubans also had intelligent people. Go there now and it seems like the land stuck in time in the 60s
 
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This is good for China and bad for the US. China could and should use this as an excuse to stop selling many more industrial products except fentanyl to the States. It's time for Beijing to grow some balls.
nvidia h100 doesn't even exist yet on the market and their a100 is outperformed by chinese biren br100 gpu. also, big chinese tech companies use their own custom asic chips for ai. for server cpu, those big companies make that too, in-house, based on arm, risc-v. if they want x-86, they can get the hygon, zhaoxin or the new godson. they all designed around 7nm-14nm within the capability of smic to fab.
 
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US shall ban all US companies from selling chips to China. Ask them to stop supplying the world largest market for computer chips. :enjoy:
 
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If this affects the price of the MSI Katana GF66 gaming laptop in a negative way, I am gonna be very very pissed off 😤
 
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Good luck

Based on the new export ban, Nvidia will lose $400 million in potential sales in China for the current quarter and more than one billion for the whole year. This loss further deteriorates the revenue outlook for the company.

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Interesting. China is a very large gaming market that either NVIDIA or AMD doesn't want to exit. Will US government compensate these companies? The answer is quite obvious.
 
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Interesting. China is a very large gaming market that either NVIDIA or AMD doesn't want to exit. Will US government compensate these companies? The answer is quite obvious.
The GPU chips in Nvidia and AMDs PC cards are unaffected by the new licensing restrictions, its the high end server AI chips that are being restricted.
 
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