US offers strong support to rebuild Pakistan’s economy

[VCheng]

So NSC was lying then when it called the letter blatant interference?

LOL. The NSC did nothing more than issue a demarche over a private diplomatic cipher, which happens all the time between most countries. Just because a PM about to lose his job due to a weak coalition breaking up decided to manipulate a gullible cult for political gains STILL does not make it a threat letter from USA to anyone. Nor will it ever.

I think we are done here about this topic.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

LOL. The NSC did nothing more than issue a demarche over a private diplomatic cipher, which happens all the time between most countries. Just because a PM about to lose his job due to a weak coalition breaking up decided to manipulate a gullible cult for political gains STILL does not make it a threat letter from USA to anyone. Nor will it ever.

I think we are done here about this topic.

What sort of proof would you want before you accept there was US intervention? I am just curious?

 

[Norwegian]

LOL. The NSC did nothing more than issue a demarche over a private diplomatic cipher, which happens all the time between most countries.

Yes, it was just a friendly private conversation between two countries diplomats that required a demarche from one country's highest security forum. Happens all the time. Another example of Subtle Patwarism
@Ssan @Ghazwa-e-Hind

What sort of proof would you want before you accept there was US intervention? I am just curious?

President Joe Biden must personally visit Nawaz Sharif Bhagora flats in London and accept the intervention. And Nawaz Sharif Bhagora must also agree with him. Only then he will accept it. @VCheng

 

[VCheng]

What sort of proof would you want before you accept there was US intervention? I am just curious?

At the very least, one should be able to see the entire contents of the cipher in question, and the demarche issue in response to it, rather than mere claims about those communications intended to gain political advantage by a desperate man about to lose his job.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Yes, it was just a friendly private conversation between two countries diplomats that required a demarche from one country's highest security forum. Happens all the time. Another example of Subtle Patwarism
@Ssan @Ghazwa-e-Hind


President Joe Biden must personally visit Nawaz Sharif Bhagora flats in London and accept the intervention. And Nawaz Sharif Bhagora must also agree with him. Only then he will accept it. @VCheng

That is not sufficent evidence. A visit does not imply guilt. We want a video recording done with Biden and Nawaz's consent [no consent would mean any recording would be inadmissable as evidence in court] and the recording must show that the word preferably 'sazish' is used but if the word 'conspiracy' is used that would do as well - although ideally we would want both words 'sazish/conspiracy' are used.

Anything short of that is just *yawn*.

 

[Norwegian]

At the very least, one should be able to see the entire contents of the cipher in question, and the demarche issue in response to it, rather than mere claims about those communications intended to gain political advantage by a desperate man about to lose his job.

Those who have read the letter says it specifically mentions NCM vote must succeed or Pakistan would face dire consequences. You still think this wasn't threatening language from a foreign power and not an attempt to do political interference in Pakistan even when NSC has called it blatant interference?

 

[VCheng]

Oh well.. we have seen this movie many times. Support is always conditional .

International geopolitics is always a two-way street, and it is up to each side to get the most possible by giving away the least possible.

 

[Norwegian]

International geopolitics is always a two-way street, and it is up to each side to get the most possible by giving away the least possible.

Trump must win next elections or Pakistan will nuke US: Pakistani diplomat
Nothing special here. Moving on: @VCheng

 

[joly]

Ke

For this deal (aka capitulation), Pakistan should demand the following

1. Total debt write off (including CPEC ones)
2. $10 billion annual freebies
3. FTA with US EU
4. FATF whitelist

Keep dreaming

 

[SaadH]

For this deal (aka capitulation), Pakistan should demand the following

1. Total debt write off (including CPEC ones)
2. $10 billion annual freebies
3. FTA with US EU
4. FATF whitelist

Slaves don't make demands, there's not to question why, there's to but do or die...

 

[Indus Pakistan]

At the very least, one should be able to see the entire contents of the cipher in question, and the demarche issue in response to it, rather than mere claims about those communications intended to gain political advantage by a desperate man about to lose his job.

Few points here to note -

• The cipher was shown to all at the NSC meeting which decided to take exception to the contents and 'brazen interferance' with a demarche issued. While as you point out we can assume that political section of the NSC made of PTI government could and might have used the cipher as a politcal tool for their own purposes. But NSC also had the military leadership there. The action taken was validated by them which sort of helps the PTI claim. Later clarification that the word 'sazish' was not used by DGISPR is not here or there. To not use the word murder does not mean no murder took place.
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• more importantly, now that sexually transmitted demoracts like Bilawal, Maryam, Shahbaz etc are in government, surely it would suit them to make the cipher public to destroy, nay to bury Imran Khan. Why has Showbaz not made the cipher public? What is he helping out Imran Khan? Or could it be, if it is made public the contents would actualy reinforce Imran Khan's claim.
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• this itself tells us everything we need to know.

For this deal (aka capitulation), Pakistan should demand the following

1. Total debt write off (including CPEC ones)
2. $10 billion annual freebies
3. FTA with US EU
4. FATF whitelist

Same deal as Ukraine. They got $40 billion for 40 million people. Thus we want $220 billion for 220 million people. But we got to spray all 220 million Paks white, bleach hair blonde and all wear platform shoes to look 6ft tall.

 

[CodeforFood]

Is it me or are Pakistanis selling themselves pretty cheap?

Air corridor / US bases in Pakistan achieve multiple objectives for USA.

Keep Afghanistan / Taliban / TTP/ other terrorist groups in check

Keeps a close eyes on China

Keeps a close eye on Central Asian Republics

Keeps Gwadar and natural resources in check

USA can create trouble in Balochistan with ease

USA can monitor Pakistan’s strategic assets

Heck for all this, Pakistani establishment is selling their ammis for a billion $? Bro, if you want to sell your imaan, then go all out.

Don't worry this lot is capable of doing a lot more. Sell sovereignty, ways to defend(give up nukes etc), put economic shackles on nation to put our next generation in chains too.

 

[PakFactor]

What sort of proof would you want before you accept there was US intervention? I am just curious?

He's one of those who thinks America can't do wrong cause he's got US citizenship. If you ask him, Madeleine Albright, was good and correct 500,000 Iraqi's killed was worth it, Alhamdulillah.

 

[VCheng]

But NSC also had the military leadership there. The action taken was validated by them which sort of helps the PTI claim.

So their presence is "validation" somehow of a political ploy by a man about to be kicked out? Hardly. The minutes of the particular meeting would make for some very interesting reading, were they to be made public, for sure.

As to PMSS not making the communications public, he is just another temporary new a55-wipe who is merely doing what he is told until he is tossed out when the time is right.

 

[CodeforFood]

Pakistan can always turn the offer down. Nobody can force it to accept any aid offered. Pakistan has a choice to make here.

I usually don't like to reply to you because most of the time i don't see any particular solutions or positive direction (only counter narratives play out) from you. But just for once...
Pakistan's almost entire economy is dependent on foreign variables (you can continue to correct the technical flaws in the phrases here as your usual...). The only short term solution to that is to diversify that dependency, which was negated by bringing this lot to power. So yeah Pakistan, at this stage is not in the position to say no or turn down.