US Navy drones: Coming to a carrier near China?

[roadrunner]

This sounds like a silly article, drones are easy to shoot down if the will is there with air-air missiles.

 

[CardSharp]

This sounds like a silly article, drones are easy to shoot down if the will is there with air-air missiles.

Stealth drone, probably with the latest and greatest survivability gizmos (why call it a 6th gen, if you're not going to put some tech bling on it). They've already been operating stealth drones (Lockheed Martin RQ-170 Sentinel) so there must something special about this one.

 

[roadrunner]

seems overrated. The ensuing dogfight would only have one winner in a piloted against non piloted vehicle.

 

[Peshwa]

For a war on China's border yes. Read the link.

Could you possibly post a copy of the RAND publication if you have it?

Seems all the link provides is an opinion on the publication with comments...would be interesting to read what China has up its sleeve to counter its technological handicap

Thanks in advance...

 

[Thomas]

This sounds like a silly article, drones are easy to shoot down if the will is there with air-air missiles.

your wrong on that account! The U.S. had a stealth drone (RQ-170) doing long term surviellence over OBL hideout for months. Pakistan never even knew it was there.

Report: CIA Used New Stealth Drones to Monitor Bin Laden's Compound in Pakistan - FoxNews.com

"In order to survey the compound where Usama bin Laden was hiding, the CIA used a new type of stealth drone to fly dozens of missions into Pakistani airspace undetected, The Washington Post reported Tuesday."

 

[CardSharp]

Could you possibly post a copy of the RAND publication if you have it?

Seems all the link provides is an opinion on the publication with comments...would be interesting to read what China has up its sleeve to counter its technological handicap

Thanks in advance...

It's a long report, 300 pages (full report here
Shaking the Heavens and Splitting the Earth: Chinese Air Force Employment Concepts in the 21st Century | RAND)but RAND themselves gave a quick summary here.

Analysis of Chinese Military Doctrine Indicates China Could Pose Serious Challenge to U.S. and Allied Air Forces


An exhaustive study of Chinese military sources reveals that a future Chinese air force campaign would, under most likely scenarios, seriously test the United States and its allies in a conflict, according to a new RAND Corporation study.

The study, "Shaking the Heavens and Splitting the Earth: Chinese Air Force Employment Concepts in the 21st Century," finds that China poses a serious threat if it implements the concepts described in its military publications in combination with the new capabilities it is acquiring — such as its recently unveiled stealth fighter.

The study by RAND, a non-profit research organization, provides detailed analysis of how the Chinese military would employ its air forces in a future conflict, particularly in a conflict over Taiwan and a potential clash with U.S. and allied forces. It also describes what actions the United States can take in response to Beijing's military thinking.

"Just 10 years ago China's air force was an antiquated service equipped almost exclusively with weapons based on 1950s-era Soviet designs and operated by personnel with questionable training," said Roger Cliff, the study's lead author and a China specialist at RAND. "Today, it appears to be on its way to becoming a modern, highly capable air force for decades to come."

Citing research gleaned from Chinese military sources, the authors find that Chinese military analysts are focusing on developing specific, practical concepts for its air forces. For example, recognizing the superiority of potential adversaries, such as the United States, in air-to-air combat, Chinese military publications emphasize attacking an enemy air force on the ground before it can take off.

The authors say China will also aim to achieve air superiority by destroying or suppressing enemy ground-based air defense systems and air defense command systems. While China recognizes it is unlikely to gain complete air superiority against the United States, researchers say the People's Liberation Army Air Force simply aims to achieve its campaign or tactical objectives.

"If these doctrinal principles are reflected in actual training and, in the event of a conflict, in campaign and mission planning, the United States could find itself engaged with adversary air forces both qualitatively and quantitatively superior to any it has fought since the end of the Cold War," Cliff said. "Indeed, the United States has not fought a conflict against an adversary capable of challenging its supremacy in the air since at least the Korean War."

RAND researchers note that although China's air forces have traditionally emphasized defensive operations, that is no longer the case, and will pose an aggressive opponent in the event of a conflict. These attacks, moreover, will be carried out not by China's air force operating in isolation but in coordination with conventional ballistic and cruise missiles.

As a result, for the first time since the end of the Cold War, U.S. air forces would not be able to regard their western Pacific bases as sanctuaries safe from enemy attack in a conflict.

Other key findings:
-If the United States intervenes in a conflict between mainland China and Taiwan, it should expect attacks on its forces and facilities in the western Pacific, including those in Japan.

-U.S. forces should expect their information systems to be subjected to network intrusions or denial-of-service attacks.

-During a conflict with China, the U.S. armed forces should prepare to deal with electronic jamming on a scale larger than it has seen in any conflict since the end of the Cold War.

The study can be found at RAND Corporation Provides Objective Research Services and Public Policy Analysis. It was sponsored by the Director of Air, Space and Information Operations, Headquarters Pacific Air Forces and conducted within the Strategy and Doctrine Program of RAND Project AIR FORCE, a federally funded research and development center for studies and analysis aimed at providing independent policy alternatives for the U.S. Air Force.

 

[dbc]

on subject of drones. they are controlled via satellites and china has proved its capabity of shooting down satellites. no satellites,no drones.

New generation of drones are fully autonomous.

 

[khurasaan1]

Dont worry ..Our Chinese brothers gonna use their Dong feng anti-Carrierz to dip them to the bottom of the seaz alongwith US wet dreamz...Insha-Allah ...

 

[a_chinese]

Dont worry ..Our Chinese brothers gonna use their Dong feng anti-Carrierz to dip them to the bottom of the seaz alongwith US wet dreamz...Insha-Allah ...

We aren't brothers just friends

 

[HongWu]

China has UAV of its own. Thousands of them. Far more can be launched from land bases than from an aircraft carrier.

 

[Dhruv V Singh]

China has UAV of its own. Thousands of them. Far more can be launched from land bases than from an aircraft carrier.

I don't think UAV's are capable of air to air combat just yet. Not the Chinese ones anyways, or are they?

 

[DarK-LorD]

Abbottabad Operation has proved that no one would know how many/kind of new snakes US has in her bag.

Some people/nations dream that they can take on the might of the US.

 

[HongWu]

Some people/nations dream that they can take on the might of the US.

LOL Our Chairman Mao humiliated the US in Korea. Almost as badly as our Chairman Mao's humiliation of Nehru in 1962.

Is the spirit of Chairman Mao still guarding us?

 

[Safriz]

New generation of drones are fully autonomous.

dificult to beleive...just think how much computational power will be needed to fly the plane autonomous?then identify target...probably manoever to evade enemy fire...

post links plz

 

[Juice]

LOL Our Chairman Mao humiliated the US in Korea. Almost as badly as our Chairman Mao's humiliation of Nehru in 1962.

Is the spirit of Chairman Mao still guarding us?

Strange...I went to Korea not too many years ago. A lot of US bases..no PLA ones. We went to war to keep South Korea free, still is. And in China's backyard..not ours.