US is overestimated. China is underestimated

[etylo]

China will bite the dust even if it attacked Taiwan let alone USA.

That's you evil arrogant Yankees dream of all the time. Yet, you Yankees and Europeans can't do a damn thing about the war in Ukraine, all you can do are watch and suffer, not to say you Yankees and Europeans had the same plan and wish for Russia before !

 

[etylo]

We are doing everything from providing weapons to Financial assistance. You think Ukraine had a chance to stand for that long otherwise.Never mind the country you are living in is also providing support to Ukrainians. Look at Russia today. Their economy is dirt. They are losing officers and don't have appetite to fight for long. Russia has gotten weak that it is no more a threat.

Oh yeah, you Yankees and Europeans all wish that Russia has collapsed or will collapse soon just as you people believe that Putin has cancer and is going to get over thrown by Russian people soon. Face the fact, Russia is winning the war in Ukraine and gaining control of large areas of Ukraine, and to you Europeans' dismay, Putin now is comparing himself to Peter the Great, you can see what's really going on in the war !

 

[Viet]

Within recent 3 years, US lost/will lose 4 important wars to China and Russia.

1, Trade war with China. The war"easy to win", completely lost. No need to say more.
2, War with Covid. Still remember how confident and cheerful the whole west was when China shut Wuhan city three years ago? US believed democratic countries are immune to the virus and it is the country with best preparation for it. Sadly the reality is opposite.
3, Economic war with Russia. When Biden confidently announced US and its allies had launched economic nuclear bomb to Russia, from his face we could almost see a dark cloud is approaching to Russia. Yet he never thought the bomb dropped on its pawns heads. Russia stands firmly now.
4, Proxy war in Ukraine. Obviously Russia is winning the Ukraine war. Again opposite to US' expectation.

Bisides these 4 major wars, US also lost some smaller wars with China.

1, Hongkong color revolution.
2, Huawei sanctions.
3, Propaganda war on Xinjinag issues. So far none of Muslim countries bought its lies. By the way, I believe the lies, such as the genocide, or blood cotton, can not cheat most politicians. Not at all. These lies or propaganda are too coarse. Most politicians are too smart to be cheated by these little tricks. Actually US never expected to cheat politicians. It knows,1) No politician outside China would deny these obvious lies. 2)It wanted to use the lies to instigate hatred to China among ordinary people. 3) Then in turn put pressure on their politicians. Luckily politicians in Muslims countries don't care ordinary people's feeling too much.

Several days ago Biden confidently said US will militarily intervene if China "invades" Taiwan. I hope it's a bluff. Otherwise it would be a catastrophic loss for US army. US' image of Super Power will be gone forever. The Art of War says:" To win a war, you should know the enemy and know yourself." Today's US knows neither itself nor its enemies.

About proxy war. You do realize it’s Russia that starts the war under false pretexts? You can’t say it’s proxy because the US and allies delivery weapons. By your logic if a hooligan storms into your house destroying your furnitures, raping your girlfriend, stealing your dogs, you ask for help, the police refuses to come. They can claim they don’t want to be called proxy war between you and your robber.

 

[大汉奸柳传志]

About proxy war. You do realize it’s Russia that starts the war under false pretexts? You can’t say it’s proxy because the US and allies delivery weapons. By your logic if a hooligan storms into your house destroying your furnitures, raping your girlfriend, stealing your dogs, you ask for help, the police refuses to come. They can claim they don’t want to be called proxy war between you and your robber.

EU will turn into a shitshow real soon, time to move back to Nam to attend your rice paddies

 

[Viet]

EU will turn into a shitshow real soon, time to move back to Nam to attend your rice paddies

EU is much united despite differences. Show me another bloc of nations that are as strong as EU? You can’t. You know what differs us Viets and you chinese? We are not easily blinded by hatred and nationalism. We are much rational people.

 

[etylo]

You know what differs us Viets and you chinese? We are not easily blinded by hatred and nationalism. We are much rational people.

Oh yeah, you Viets are proud to be lackeys to the Yankees and Westerners now who bombed and killed you people like cockroaches for 10 years just short while ago.

 

[大汉奸柳传志]

You know what differs us Viets and you chinese? We are not easily blinded by hatred and nationalism. We are much rational people.

Vietnam mobs torch foreign factories in anti-China protests

Thousands of anti-China protesters ransacked, looted and set fire to foreign-run factories in southern Vietnam on Tuesday and Wednesday in a wave of violence sparked by a dispute over China’s placement of an oil rig in waters claimed by both countries.

www.latimes.com

 

[Viet]

Oh yeah, you Viets are proud to be lackeys to the Yankees and Westerners now who bombed and killed you people like cockroaches for 10 years just short while ago.

That’s things of the past. What’s about your best Russia? Did they not seize your territory and wanted to nuke you? Ok but I can understand you are blinded by your hatred towards the West you forget your hatred towards the East.

 

[etylo]

What’s about your best Russia? Did they not seize your territory and wanted to nuke you? Ok but I can understand you are blinded by your hatred towards the West you forget your hatred towards the East.

Yeah, that happened long time ago almost 200 years ago. We settled our differences amicably with Russia and we are on equal footing now, not the same as you Viets are lackeys to Yankees.

 

[Viet]

Yeah, that happened long time ago almost 200 years ago. We settled our differences amicably with Russia and we are on equal footing now, not the same as you Viets are lackeys to Yankees.

That’s your interpretation keep it to yourself. I know we stand on the right side of history.

 

[etylo]

That’s your interpretation keep it to yourself. I know we stand on the right side of history.

You wish and hallucinating, you Viets are high on drugs.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Issue with Russians they failed in the combined arms approach to war hence the losses in tanks and gunships. Hopefully, they learn from this conflict and China goes back to drawing the board to make sure there’s not a repeat of what we are seeing in Europe.

China doesn't use Russian doctrine and never has, so there won't be a repeat of what's happening in Europe.

Most of PLA's original commanders, including Zhou Enlai, Lin Biao and Liu Bocheng, were either trained by the KMT or were even KMT military instructors (Zhou Enlai). The entire CPC came from the left wing of the KMT and the bulk of junior officers were KMT defectors.

the KMT pre-WW2 was trained according to domestic Chinese doctrine, which combined domestic ideas with imports from Imperial Japan, Germany and pre-WW2 Soviet Union (which was very different than WW2 and after Soviet Union). PLA then added to KMT ideas with direct Imperial Japanese imports (captured Japanese soldiers in Manchuria) and its own history as a light infantry component of the KMT army.

At no point did PLA ever import Russian doctrine. After 1949, China was very arrogant and never allowed Soviet military to do anything other than tech transfers. Even with tech transfers, everything was customized and localized for Chinese requirements.

Only after WW2 did KMT and CPC military doctrine diverge, with KMT going with US doctrine and PLA using the traditional doctrine which is based on original KMT and Imperial Japanese ideas. You can even see it with Mao's People's War philosophy, which emphasized morale, light infantry and skirmishing... all aspects of KMT and Japanese doctrine, not Russian, which completely discounts morale and cares mostly about tanks and artillery, not infantry.

 

[redtom]

Any country who thinks USA is overestimated, they have already lost to USA... While someone from China is writing this post, USN Ohio Class Sub armed with 20 ICBM's lurking around Pacific oceans, which can devastate any country on a moment notice. World needs peace, specially after so much death from Covid, lets not talk about war when there is one already raging in the Europe.

Let's hope they have enough fishing rods, because when they launch their nukes, North America will be in ruins, too. They can only live in the sea and live on fish.

 

[etylo]

China doesn't use Russian doctrine and never has, so there won't be a repeat of what's happening in Europe.

Most of PLA's original commanders, including Zhou Enlai, Lin Biao and Liu Bocheng, were either trained by the KMT or were even KMT military instructors (Zhou Enlai). The entire CPC came from the left wing of the KMT and the bulk of junior officers were KMT defectors.

the KMT pre-WW2 was trained according to domestic Chinese doctrine, which combined domestic ideas with imports from Imperial Japan, Germany and pre-WW2 Soviet Union (which was very different than WW2 and after Soviet Union). PLA then added to KMT ideas with direct Imperial Japanese imports (captured Japanese soldiers in Manchuria) and its own history as a light infantry component of the KMT army.

At no point did PLA ever import Russian doctrine. After 1949, China was very arrogant and never allowed Soviet military to do anything other than tech transfers. Even with tech transfers, everything was customized and localized for Chinese requirements.

Only after WW2 did KMT and CPC military doctrine diverge, with KMT going with US doctrine and PLA using the traditional doctrine which is based on original KMT and Imperial Japanese ideas. You can even see it with Mao's People's War philosophy, which emphasized morale, light infantry and skirmishing... all aspects of KMT and Japanese doctrine, not Russian, which completely discounts morale and cares mostly about tanks and artillery, not infantry.

PLA has nothing to do with Japanese Imperial ideas, PLA political commissar system that still exists today was originally evolved from the Soviet red army. Are you a Japanese in descent just under Chinese flag ?

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

PLA has nothing to do with Japanese Imperial ideas, PLA political commissar system that still exists today was originally evolved from the Soviet red army.

With many graduates of Whampoa being represented in the PLA, and with Whampoa Military Academy being run by Chiang Kai Shek who was trained in Imperial Japan and even served in the Imperial Japanese Army, the PLA indeed has Imperial Japanese influence in doctrine. Imperial Japanese weapons were also used when PLA captured Manchuria.

It doesn't mean PLA politically agrees with Imperial Japan, it just means that some Imperial Japanese fighting methods were adopted.

Political commissar system was not exclusively Soviet... both KMT (ROC) and Nazi Germany used it too. Taiwan still has political commissars. PLA political commissars also have very different roles than Soviet ones.

I'm not saying China has 0% Russian influence, but it is only a part of Chinese doctrine, and mostly of historical significance, just like KMT, Japanese and German doctrine. In reality PLA has been developing its own ideas since the 1930's, even before PRC was a country.