US is overestimated. China is underestimated

[etylo]

With many graduates of Whampoa being represented in the PLA, and with Whampoa Military Academy being run by Chiang Kai Shek who was trained in Imperial Japan and even served in the Imperial Japanese Army, the PLA indeed has Imperial Japanese influence in doctrine. Imperial Japanese weapons were also used when PLA captured Manchuria.

It doesn't mean PLA politically agrees with Imperial Japan, it just means that some Imperial Japanese fighting methods were adopted.

Political commissar system was not exclusively Soviet... both KMT (ROC) and Nazi Germany used it too. Taiwan still has political commissars. PLA political commissars also have very different roles than Soviet ones.

Of course, some of the early KMT military officers studied in Japanese military academies and so some Japanese military techniques are taught and used in KMT army. But, that doesn't mean Chinese army be it KMT army and especially PLA are heavily influenced, especially politically indoctrinated as the same way as Japanese Imperial army. KMT army and PLA have their own way of political indoctrination. PLA ways of fighting are also heavily influenced by Mao's thought on fighting too. Besides, PLA marshals such as Liu and Ye. senior generals such as navy and air force commanders Xiao and Liu and some other top Chinese commanders had studied in Soviet military academies. So, there were Soviet influences on PLA at the early stage. Although Chiang Kai Shek might be the symbolic head of Whampoa academy, but the head of political indoctrination department is Zhou En Lai, who studied in France, and military instructors are such as PLA marshal Ye, who studied in Soviet Union and other communists。If PLA were and are indeed heavily influenced by the Japanese Imperial army rather than influenced by Soviet army and heavily evolved by itself as you like to claim, then I think the PLA is in an even more precarious position than the Russian army today becos the Japanese Imperial army didn't fare any better than the Soviet army in WW II.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Of course, some of the early KMT military officers studied in Japanese military academies and so some Japanese military techniques are taught and used in KMT army. But, that doesn't mean Chinese army be it KMT army and especially PLA are heavily influenced, especially indoctrinated as the same way as Japanese Imperial army. KMT army and PLA have their own way of political indoctrination. PLA ways of fighting are also heavily influenced by Mao's thought on fighting too. Besides, PLA marshals such as Liu and Ye. senior generals such as navy and air force commanders Xiao and Liu and some other top Chinese commanders had studied in Soviet military academies. So, there were Soviet influences on PLA at the early stage.

true. but they studied in pre-WW2 Soviet academies, while Soviets learned very different lessons after WW2 and diverged. and it is also true that PLA political indoctrination is very different than Imperial Japanese, but many ways of fighting, such as the night combat and maneuver used in Korea, were also used by Imperial Japan.

Mao's way of fighting is People's War, which is an infantry guerilla doctrine, and incompatible with Soviet style war which relies on secure communication between front and command to coordinate set piece battles of maneuver and artillery. The PLA physically did not have the capability to use Soviet tactics for most of its history due to insufficient equipment, and after it did, it had already developed its own philosophy.

 

[etylo]

true. but they studied in pre-WW2 Soviet academies, while Soviets learned very different lessons after WW2 and diverged. and it is also true that PLA political indoctrination is very different than Imperial Japanese, but many ways of fighting, such as the night combat and maneuver used in Korea, were also used by Imperial Japan.

Mao's way of fighting is People's War, which is an infantry guerilla doctrine, and incompatible with Soviet style war which relies on secure communication between front and command to coordinate set piece battles of maneuver and artillery. The PLA physically did not have the capability to use Soviet tactics for most of its history due to insufficient equipment, and after it did, it had already developed its own philosophy.

I think the PLA learned to fight night combat and maneuer behind enemy lines as the results of the experiences they gained fighting the KMT army and Japanese army from a much inferior force, that necessitates the PLA to conduct its operation that way. I don't think that PLA way of fighting has much to do with Japanese methods.

 

[Samar111]

Comparing the democratic country of the US to a dictatorship like China?

 

[etylo]

Comparing the democratic country of the US to a dictatorship like China?

yeah, why don't compare the superpower USA to your clown land India, right ?

 

[Samar111]

yeah, why don't compare the superpower USA to your clown land India, right ?

At least we are both democracies and our citizens are free... Unlike that shithole China.

 

[gambit]

Let me tell you why I "Haha" this article

If you go into a war thinking you are being underestimated and your enemy are being overestimated, then you will probably going to be carry out from this war. Every war started the same, it does not give you any advantage just because you are more advance than the next guy, if you go in with this mentality, you have already lost. And I have learn this 17 and 19 years ago.

Which pretty much summed up the Chinese mentality in this forum. This thread, and sooooo many others similar, is a local propaganda attempt. No one in the PLA leadership thinks like the yahhoooss here.

 

[Samar111]

Which pretty much summed up the Chinese mentality in this forum. This thread, and sooooo many others similar, is a local propaganda attempt. No one in the PLA leadership thinks like the yahhoooss here.

They can't even mess with India and they are dreaming about US.

 

[etylo]

At least we are both democracies and our citizens are free... Unlike that shithole China.

yeah, a person from pile of cow dung rapists country has the audacity to call a country 5 times more wealthy, more advanced, more civilized and more clean than your clown country a shit****, must be nonhuman logic !

 

[gambit]

They can't even mess with India and they are dreaming about US.

That is because that particular PLA general, whoever he was, did not properly hyped his troops. He failed to instilled into his soldiers that they were 'underestimated', or at least that he HOPED that the Indian Army underestimated the PLA. Whoever that poor soul, he failed to plan his tactics with HOPE, which seems to be the new PLA war doctrine, according to the PDF Chinese members.

If there is going to be a shooting war between the US and China, it will be on the water. So imagine a PLAN admiral going in front of the Secretary General putting forth his battle plan that is filled with HOPE that the US Navy will underestimate the PLAN. Never mind the F-35 or AEGIS nonsense. HOPE is how the PLAN will prevail over the US Navy.

 

[Beast]

That’s things of the past. What’s about your best Russia? Did they not seize your territory and wanted to nuke you? Ok but I can understand you are blinded by your hatred towards the West you forget your hatred towards the East.

How did we turn into lackey of Russia compare to you? China and Russia stand on equal partnership.

While u are just a slave to western power who need to obey and agree everything the western white says...

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

They can't even mess with India and they are dreaming about US.

Uh according to your media China is the one who invaded Indian territory and is provoking you daily while you are doing nothing about it. Sounds like you're being messed with.

 

[PakFactor]

They can't even mess with India and they are dreaming about US.

Going of a little from the stated topic of this thread, but your forces got slapped around one beaten to the point he started looking Chinese and then you guys were tossed into a river. So yes they can and will mess with India, your not on the same level as them.

 

[Solidify]

All these people who clicked on haha = 7
Let me ask them where are THEIR Nations in terms of Technology or market penetration from their respective countries products etc ?!?!?

Chinese are doing Solid production work in terms of development.

 

[Mista]

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All these people who clicked on haha = 7
Let me ask them where are THEIR Nations in terms of Technology or market penetration from their respective countries products etc ?!?!?

Chinese are doing Solid production work in terms of development.