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US hands over new M-109 to PA

As we know that India is going for M777 from US
Why not PA should look fo Turkish Panther Howitzer (I think these are the same kinda howitzers if im not wrong). Plz Sir cabatli, fatman & Taimi khan through some light on differance between these two (M777 & Panther)


Regards,:pakistan:
Sunny

Its a remarkable gun.First was dilevered in early 2008 for evaluation in arty school nowshehra cantt...And after that panthers were bought....so yes we already have them in service:pakistan: :turkiye:
 
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Pakistan Army gets US Howitzer guns


The US-made M109A5 Howitzer is an indirect support weapon of manoeuvre brigades of Armoured and Mechanised Infantry Division. — File Photo


KARACHI: The US Army handed over Howitzer guns to Pakistan Army at a ceremony held on Saturday, an ISPR press release said.

Brigadier Michael K. Ngata, Deputy Chief ORDP, handed over 115 Howitzer guns to Brigadier Farrukh Saeed, Commander Artillery, Mechanised Division.

The US-made M109A5 Howitzer is an indirect support weapon of manoeuvre brigades of Armoured and Mechanised Infantry Division.

The rifle’s characteristics such as high muzzle velocity, long barrels, long range, multiple charges and maximum elevation angles (greater than 45 degrees) classify it as an effective weapon in the field.

The ceremony was attended by US Consul General in Karachi Steve Fakan, officers of US armed forces and the Pakistan Army.





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As we know that India is going for M777 from US
Why not PA should look fo Turkish Panther Howitzer (I think these are the same kinda howitzers if im not wrong). Plz Sir cabatli, fatman & Taimi khan through some light on differance between these two (M777 & Panther)


Regards,:pakistan:
Sunny

Major difference is, M777 is completely towed, while Panter has limited self propelling capability as seen in the above video, which can be useful in nowadays warfare.

M777 is very light, as it was developed by keeping in mind to have an easier transportable howitzer by helicopters. The old ones were heavier thus limited airborne transportation capability.

Panter is 155mm/52 caliber barrel gun, while M777 is 155mm/52 caliber.

Rest i don't see much difference, range are nearly identical, and yeah M777 can fire the Excaliber rounds, which are dead accurate and the future of artillery also.

But I prefer the Panter, as we can have no issues with it and can even have limited or full production capability.

My choice is go with Turkish and Chinese, no more American ones.
 
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"Paladin(M109) tank in the field".
I love this saying in C&C Generals.:chilli:
I request Chinese members to post some videos of SH1 155MM howitzer.:)
 
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As we know that India is going for M777 from US
Why not PA should look fo Turkish Panther Howitzer (I think these are the same kinda howitzers if im not wrong). Plz Sir cabatli, fatman & Taimi khan through some light on differance between these two (M777 & Panther)

Regards,:pakistan:
Sunny


It is "Panter Howitzer" not "Panther Howitzer".

On the other hand the M777 as u know is different league of Howitzer, so no comparison is fair.

"Panter Howitzer" is used by small armies like Turkey and Pakistan only.

M777 is used by most advance and big countries like US, Australia, Canada, soon India.

The M777 is battle proven in Iraqi hot deserts and also in Afghanistan. "Panter Howitzer" is not battle proved as M777. M777 is latest and most advance.

For ur further reading.

M777

Key Data:
Crew
Normally 7 (can be a reduced detachment of 5)
Dimensions:
Overall Length, Towing Mode
9,275mm
Overall Length, Firing Mode
10,210mm
Overall Width, Towing Mode
2,770mm
Overall Width, Firing Mode
3,720mm
Overall Height, Towing Mode
2,260mm
Trunnion Height, Firing
650mm
Wheel Track Height
2,300mm
Production Weight
3,745kg
Split Lift Weight, Elevation Mass
2,414kg
Split Lift Weight, Carriage
1,331kg
Load of Towing Eye
60kg
Maximum Tow Ground Clearance
660mm
Performance:
Maximum Towed Road Speed
88km/h
Maximum Towed Cross Country Speed
50km/h
Air-Braked Towing Vehicle
4x4, 2.5t
Guns:
Calibre
155mm
Barrel Length
39 calibre
Barrel Life
2,650 firing
EFC Muzzle Velocity at Charge 8 Super
827m/s
Maximum Firing Range, Unassisted
24.7km
Maximum Firing Range, Assisted
30km
Rifling RH Uniform 1/20cal Evaluation Arc
-40mils to +1,283mils
Traverse Arc
+400mils and -400mils
Rate of Fire, Intense
5 rounds a minute
Rate of Fire, Sustained
2 rounds a minute
Maximum Charge
Charge 8 super
Fire Control
Direct or indirect firing with electro-optical sighting system for day / night operations
Digital Fire Control System
Optional

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The Ultralightweight Field Howitzer (UFH), designated M777 in the USA, was selected in 1997 by a joint US Army / Marine Corps initiative to replace the existing inventory of M198 155mm towed howitzers. The first of five EMD systems was delivered in June 2000. The US Marine Corps is to procure 380 systems and the US Army 273 systems. A low-rate initial production (LRIP) contract for 94 systems was awarded in November 2002.

Operational testing with the USMC, during which nearly 12,000 artillery rounds were fired by four production systems, was completed in December 2004. A contract for full-rate production of 495 systems was awarded to BAE Systems in April 2005. In May 2005, the USMC began fielding the M777 with the 11th Marines unit at Twentynine Palms in California.

The first 18 systems were delivered to the US Army's 2nd Battalion, 11th Field Artillery in Hawaii in October 2006.
"The M777 ultralightweight field howitzer will replace the existing inventory of M198 155mm towed howitzers."

The M777 will be the artillery system for the Stryker Brigade Combat Teams (SBCT). The systems fitted with the digital fire control system are designated M777A1, and those with the software update which allows the firing of the Excalibur projectile, M777A2. M777A2 received full material release in July 2007, clearing the upgrade for fielding. All M777A1 systems will be upgraded to the A2 standard.

The M777 was deployed by the US Army and Marine Corps to Afghanistan in December 2007 and to Iraq in 2008.

The Excalibur projectile was first deployed in Afghanistan in March 2008.


By August 2008, over 400 systems had been delivered to the US Army and USMC.

In April 2008, BAE Systems received an order for an additional 87 M777 systems for the US Army and USMC. Deliveries are scheduled from 2010. In August 2008, a further 43 systems were ordered.

In December 2005, the first four of six M777 systems were supplied by the USMC to the Canadian Army, under a foreign military sales (FMS) contract. The systems were deployed to Afghanistan in February 2006. A further six systems have been ordered and are in service. In June 2008, Canada requested a further 25 systems, a total of 37.

In July 2008, Australia requested the foreign military sale of 57 M77 howitzers.

BAE Systems has developed a mobile version, the M777 Portee, which is mounted on a purpose-built 8x6 Supacat vehicle. The vehicle was first shown at Eurosatory in June 2006.
"The construction of the M777 makes extensive use of titanium and titanium castings."

The M777 has been developed by BAE Systems Land Systems (RO Defence, formerly the Armaments Group of Vickers Shipbuilding and Engineering Ltd) at Barrow-in-Furness. United Defense LP of Pascagoula, Mississippi is responsible for final assembly, test and delivery of production systems for the US.

In July 2004, the M777 successfully completed a series of airlift tests with the US Marine Corps MV-22 Osprey tiltrotor aircraft. The M777 was carried as an external load for a distance of 69nm.

The M777 is normally operated by a crew of eight men but can be operated with a reduced detachment of five.

Design

The construction of the M777 makes extensive use of titanium and titanium castings, enabling a weight reduction of 3,175kg (7,000lb) compared to the M198 howitzer which it replaces in the US Army and USMC inventory. The titanium is supplied by RTI International metals of Niles, Ohio.

Armament

The M777 matches the firepower of current generation 155mm towed systems at less than half the weight. The Howitzer is equipped with a 39-calibre barrel. The muzzle velocity (at Charge 8 super) is 827m/s.

The maximum firing range is 24.7km with unassisted rounds and 30km with rocket-assisted rounds. The M777A2 will fire the Raytheon / Bofors XM982 Excalibur GPS / Inertial Navigation-guided extended-range 155mm projectiles using the Modular Artillery Charge Systems (MACS). Excalibur has a maximum range of 40km and accuracy of 10m.

First firing trials of the M777A1 with Excalibur took place in August 2003. First production rounds were delivered in September 2006. Excalibur successfully completed limited user test in March 2007. It was first fielded in Iraq in May 2007 and in Afghanistan in February 2008.

The M777 is able to deliver up to five rounds a minute under intense firing conditions and is able to provide a sustained rate of fire of two rounds a minute.

Fire control

The LRIP systems employ an optical sighting system for direct and indirect firing by day or night. Full production systems will be fitted with the General Dynamics Armament Systems Towed Artillery Digitisation (TAD) system. LRIP systems will be retrofitted with TAD.
"The M777 is able to deliver up to five rounds a minute."

The TAD digital fire control system provides onboard ballistic computation, navigation, pointing and self-location, providing greater accuracy and faster reaction times. The TAD system also includes a laser ignition system, electric drives for the howitzer's traverse and elevation and a powered projectile rammer.
Mobility

The M777 has a production weight of 3,745kg and can be transported by helicopter, transporter aircraft and ship. The howitzer can be towed by an air-braked 4x4 vehicle greater than 2.5t.

The hydrostrut suspension system is provided by Horstman Defence Systems of the UK. The maximum towed road speed is 88km per hour and the towed cross-country speed is 50km per hour. The load on the towing eye is rated at 60kg. The towing ground clearance is up to 660mm.

M777A1 155mm - Ultralightweight Field Howitzer - Army Technology
 
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Hahahhahah

M777 howitzer (India)

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M109 howitzer(Pakistan)

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Should I need to compare ? :rofl:

dude.. my post was around the comment on INdian artill aquisitions stuck.. every thing doesnt need to be a contest
 
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M777 is a Light Arty designed primarily to be used by IA in the mountains. IA is developing some kind of mountain brigades with organic arty.

Its not for use in the plains unless, extra arty is required there...
 
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Its a remarkable gun.First was dilevered in early 2008 for evaluation in arty school nowshehra cantt...And after that panthers were bought....so yes we already have them in service:pakistan: :turkiye:

Bro you mean that we are using Panter howitzer.....?:victory:

Regards,:pakistan:

Sunny
 
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Pakistan Army gets US Howitzer guns


The US-made M109A5 Howitzer is an indirect support weapon of manoeuvre brigades of Armoured and Mechanised Infantry Division. — File Photo


KARACHI: The US Army handed over Howitzer guns to Pakistan Army at a ceremony held on Saturday, an ISPR press release said.

Brigadier Michael K. Ngata, Deputy Chief ORDP, handed over 115 Howitzer guns to Brigadier Farrukh Saeed, Commander Artillery, Mechanised Division.

The US-made M109A5 Howitzer is an indirect support weapon of manoeuvre brigades of Armoured and Mechanised Infantry Division.

The rifle’s characteristics such as high muzzle velocity, long barrels, long range, multiple charges and maximum elevation angles (greater than 45 degrees) classify it as an effective weapon in the field.

The ceremony was attended by US Consul General in Karachi Steve Fakan, officers of US armed forces and the Pakistan Army.





DAWN.COM | National | Pakistan Army gets US Howitzer guns


Wrong Picture.... by Dawn News...
Regards,
Sunny
 
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On the other hand the M777 as u know is different league of Howitzer, so no comparison is fair.
What different league ? the thing is you dont know squat about artillery systems and you are just bragging since India has bought this system it is all of sudden the out of this world alien technology that only greatest army in the world super shkti bharat army will possess. MOD EDIT
"Panter Howitzer" is used by small armies like Turkey and Pakistan only.
Small armies? Turkey is one of the advance military in Europe and posses superior technology then Indian army.
M777 is used by most advance and big countries like US, Australia, Canada, soon India.
abbayyy aaa.. :rofl:
When india has no more of these 600 million slum dogs only then you have the right to compare it with modern country like Turkey.

The M777 is battle proven in Iraqi hot deserts and also in Afghanistan. "Panter Howitzer" is not battle proved as M777. M777 is latest and most advance.

So? A-5Q are battle proven SU-30MKI is not so we can agree to your analogy that battle proven A-5 is better then Su-30MKI! :woot: haha i guess i am just being indian.
 
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"Panter Howitzer" is used by small armies like Turkey and Pakistan only.



Turkey a small army ?? Buddy, Turkey can very easily make Indian army suffer, and suffer very badly. Plus, I believe i don't have to tell about the PA.

And if these two small armies get combined together, then you know well what they can do to the mighty IA.

So next time, don't rant without substance.
 
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we need gunships but seems like PA wants howitzers which we dont need desprately
 
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