US forces not to enter Pakistan: US official

[muse]

sir we should think positive,maybe they got afraid of reaction like we saw in last 4 days

I don't think in those terms -



US in talks with Pakistan over future military missions

* Both sides had been discussing agreement for stationing of military trainers

* Permitted personnel likely to be military liaisons, mechanics and engineers

WASHINGTON/ISLAMABAD: US and Pakistani officials are continuing talks on the future US military mission in Pakistan but Washington likely will see its influence on Pakistani special forces curtailed as tensions rage between the two nations.

A US official said both countries had been discussing an agreement that would authorise between 100 and 150 US military personnel to be stationed in Pakistan, fewer than have been there in the recent past. “That’s what they’re driving toward,” the official said on condition of anonymity. The nature and size of the US military presence in Pakistan remains in doubt, like the overall relationship, after the top US military officer drew links last week between Pakistan’s intelligence agency and a violent militant group blamed for attacks on American targets in Afghanistan.

Admiral Mike Mullen, who steps down this week as chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff, described the Haqqani network as a “veritable arm” of Pakistan’s ISI spy agency and accused Islamabad of providing support for the group’s September 13 attack on the US embassy in Kabul and other attacks. Those allegations have kicked off a war of words that may jeopardise years of US efforts to nudge Pakistan toward action against the Haqqani network and other militants who operate from Pakistan’s lawless tribal regions.

The Haqqani network is allied with Afghanistan’s Taliban and is believed to have close links to al Qaeda. It is now seen as a chief threat to US plans to establish a modicum of peace as it gradually withdraws from Afghanistan. In the past, there had been some 200 to 300 US military personnel stationed in Pakistan, many of them training Pakistan special forces to confront militants, as part of Washington’s Office of the Defence Representative-Pakistan.

But Islamabad, furious over the US special forces raid that killed al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden in May, without Pakistani knowledge, sharply reduced the size of the mission this spring. The US military declined to disclose how many US personnel are now in Pakistan. A Pakistani military official acknowledged that negotiations are ongoing, but declined to say how many US personnel would be authorised.

“We will convey what is required, but it will be primarily equipment related,” the Pakistani official said on condition of anonymity. Another US official said most of the US staff expected to be permitted, once a deal was finalised, would be military liaison personnel, mechanics, engineers and others who help Pakistan maintain and operate military equipment rather than special forces trainers. reuters

 

[S.M.R]

You know what's the real funny thing..

The American Sec of Defence and Military chief virtually calls your Army and Intelligence agency as partners of terrorists and spend next 3-4 days turning the knife in the wound by speaking about various other terror stuff linked to Pakistan.. 4-5 days down the line, they make a couple of softer noises without withdrawing the original accusation, and Pakistani folks start feeling a sense of victory with a smug "I Told you so " ... Think about it..

I am not celebrating the victory at all, and not having fun as well that you are feeling. They even called / listed ISI in the list of terrorist orgs. so it is not surprising if they came wilth lower allegation.

Who cares for their statements, as we know that they desperately want a scapegoat for their failures in afghanistan.

Dont you feel funny that every incient in afghanistan is 'now' being controlled from pakistan.

 

[TOPGUN]

Right more cia and more drones thats in place rather then boots on the ground bs.

 

[Rafael]

Oh I am resting quite assuredly, thank you very much!

What you give as examples of US failures may not be, after all is said and done.

Oh c'mon Cheng, you are now being more American then the American founding fathers perhaps.

Even the most patriotic of Americans believe that Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan were/are disasters.

 

[53fd]

I am not celebrating the victory at all, and not having fun as well that you are feeling. They even called / listed ISI in the list of terrorist orgs. so it is not surprising if they came wilth lower allegation.

Who cares for their statements, as we know that they desperately want a scapegoat for their failures in afghanistan.

Dont you feel funny that every incient in afghanistan is 'now' being controlled from pakistan.

Now that the Taliban has started negotiating with the Americans (& there isn't anything bad being said about them), the Indians unfortunately think that the Haqqani network is the only one group in Afghanistan causing all the problems. Of course, the suicide bomb blasts in Herat in the past few days in Western Afghanistan, or in Ghazni & Helmand, were the work of the Haqqani network as well.

All these attempts to split the Haqqani network from the Taliban (just like they tried to split the Al-Qaeda from the Taliban, but failed) are futile, & the Taliban's statements are proof of that.

 

[President Camacho]

Strictly between the Pakistani Army and the American government, words spoken for public consumption hold no value.

 

[Thor]

Pakistn and mainly the ISI has recently been clipping the CIA wings in Pakistan and cutting their influence in Pakistan massively since the Raymond DAVIS fiasco, this may well be a leverage threat used to bargain the return of the CIA with bigger perks then what they were getting before........

This is like the Israel v Palestinians issue, where an agreement was reached between Rabin and Arafat, however allowed to prolong by Israel and each time they end up building more and mroe settlements and when it comes to talks again, Israel discusses the new settlements but not the old ones which also need to be removed. They are adding more and more problems and using the newer problems to negotiate safeguarding the older problems.

Pakistan is in a similar position, and only today, bomb resistant fortified bunkers were discovered inside Islamabad being built by the US, who claims them to be a warehouse......... The US will always use its assets, i.e. CIA against Pakistan and as such, Pakistan should resist any further concessions........

 

[Donatello]

Ego will not take Americans any further. Do they want more Americans killed for defending those fallen men earlier? Diplomacy works wonders. Wars don't help the common man but merely the Military Corp.

 

[LeGenD]

sir we should think positive,maybe they got afraid of reaction like we saw in last 4 days

No. We overreacted and our media was busy feeding bullshit to the people.

Their was never a call for invasion of Pakistan. White House never made such a statement.

In the last 10 years or so we have seen that US Generals and politicians are not even capable of drafting any sane plans, forget about implementing them. Vietnam,Cambodia, Iraq and afghanistan are all examples of pathetic strategies and their implementations.

So whatever plan they are pursuing rest assured it is meant to fail.

A very stupid and inadequate analysis of the affairs. We need a serious wake-up call.

Vietnam was just a front in the bigger game: The COLD WAR. US lost in Vietnam but succeeded in its bigger game: victory in the COLD WAR.

Cambodia was just used as a cannon fodder to vent the frustation of failure in the Vietnam front. The case is similar to US treatment of Pakistan in the Afghan front of WOT.

Iraq was a political and military success. Saddam was removed from power and executed. And Iraq is no longer a threat to US objectives in the Middle-East. I do not understand that why fellow muslims like to quote Iraqi front as failure again and again which in fact should open our eyes to ground realities around us. Perhaps Islamic community as a whole is in its worst shape so we have lost sense of success/victory?

Afghan front of WOT was not a political blunder. Bush was doing good there. However, Obama failed in Afghanistan. Therefore, this front can be lost but we cannot pass final judgement until 2014.

Oh c'mon Cheng, you are now being more American then the American founding fathers perhaps.

Even the most patriotic of Americans believe that Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan were/are disasters.

No, they do not. The most patriotic Americans do not believe in the Vietnam defeat either.

 

[Kompromat]

AA jayen , damagh theek kar kay wapis bhej dengay.

 

[Imran Khan]

lolz pakistanis are mad on war hahahaha USA wanna make them scared not united and ready for war

 

[LeGenD]

lolz pakistanis are mad on war hahahaha USA wanna make them scared not united and ready for war

The current generation of Pakistan has really no idea about horrors of war. Those who have not visited regions affected by war should visit them and then give response.

The chest-thumping can only be seen on the web. People are generally scared by media reports. Business is down the gutter by these reports.

Our media needs to stop feeding bullshit to the people.

 

[Imran Khan]

The current generation of Pakistan has really no idea about horrors of war. Those who have not visited regions affected by war should visit them and then give response.

The chest-thumping can only be seen on the web. People are generally scared by media reports. Business is down the gutter by these reports.

Our media needs to stop feeding bullshit to the people.

per mery to sar ke baal sufaid ho chuky hai main is gen se nhi hoon lolz

 

[Rafael]

A very stupid and inadequate analysis of the affairs. We need a serious wake-up call.

Vietnam was just a front in the bigger game: The COLD WAR. US lost in Vietnam but succeeded in its bigger game: victory in the COLD WAR.

Cambodia was just used as a cannon fodder to vent the frustation of failure in the Vietnam front. The case is similar to US treatment of Pakistan in the Afghan front of WOT.

There is a reason I mentioned Vietnam and Cambodia. You in your post above agree that Vietnam was a failure militarily, don't you? Whether they were able to achieve their goals or not during cold war is not my subject here.

Iraq was a political and military success. Saddam was removed from power and executed. And Iraq is no longer a threat to US objectives in the Middle-East. I do not understand that why fellow muslims like to quote Iraqi front as failure again and again which in fact should open our eyes to ground realities around us. Perhaps Islamic community as a whole is in its worst shape so we have lost sense of success/victory?

Yes I agree Iraq was a success but the credibility lost in the Muslim world shall never be compensated.

Afghan front of WOT was not a political blunder. Bush was doing good there. However, Obama failed in Afghanistan. Therefore, this front can be lost but we cannot pass final judgement until 2014.

To say that Bush was doing good in Afghanistan is a bit of exaggeration. Also we all know the guerilla wars such as these tend to gain momentum as the time passes and occupying forces get tired and fatigued. This happened with Soviet union and this is happening again. So to say Afghan war has already been lost is no lie.

No, they do not. The most patriotic Americans do not believe in the Vietnam defeat either.

Yes they do. Most of them would choose different wordings to describe and say we pulled out, Whitehouse wasn't interested and all that but the fact is that the US lost that war.

 

[Respect4Respect01]

they want to enter Pakistan but they just cant.