US Defense Secretary Panetta threatens ground intervention into Pakistan

[karan.1970]

I didn't claim US was defeated. All I asked was whether or not the cost of war and casualties was worth it.

all I stated was that the objectives are not yet met and there is still a long way to go before Taliban is completely defeated. The US knows this and that is why they need Pakistan's help to reach their objective and withdraw their troops by 2014.

What are US's objectives in your view.. ?? They kicked Taliban out of power, killed Osama and most of Al queda leadership..

 

[Hyperion]

Think about it Karan. Who used who? Did we want anyone of the dead to remain living? Any additional damage that they have done that we didn't approve of? Look at the Haqani's, they are still there. Not even one kill!

Every thing you see is multifaceted. This is the art of war. You don't counter an overwhelming force with passion. Cheers!

What are US's objectives in your view.. ?? They kicked Taliban out of power, killed Osama and most of Al queda leadership..

 

[SinoChallenger]

All China needs to do is give Pakistan these babies, and Tel Aviv will be incinerated if the Americans try anything funny!

 

[regular]

and bitching.............come suck our dick paneta.

I never knew that he gay....damn!!!.Thats why his @$$ getting beatenup realgood.Sorry Panetta we can't help Gayz.Sorry Panetta Gayz can't fight wars.Its better for U to runaway and try to save ure @$$...

 

[Wright]

Each additional post I read, written by you: I'm convinced that you're not just juvenile, but a complete moron.

The feeling is mutual. However you are overshadowed by Zarvan, and Aryan B. I do believe you have great potential though. Keep up with attacking the persons behind the content.

EDIT: You can add the above poster as well. ^^^

 

[Hyperion]

It's not the person behind the post, rather, baseless rhetoric and twisted logic sold as fact that I have problem with Nothing personal mate!

The feeling is mutual. However you are overshadowed by Zarvan, and Aryan B. I do believe you have great potential though. Keep up with attacking the persons behind the content.

EDIT: You can add the above poster as well. ^^^

 

[karan.1970]

I think folks here are over reacting.. All Panetta is said is that nothing is off the table as long as it protects their troops in Afghanistan.. And people here have started expecting a full scale ground invasion..

At worst what you will see is some Spec Ops in border tribal belt.. Quick ingress and egress aka abbotabad, but mostly a steep rise in drone attacks from a few in a month to a few in a day...

Think about it Karan. Who used who? Did we want anyone of the dead to remain living? Any additional damage that they have done that we didn't approve of? Look at the Haqani's, they are still there. Not even one kill!

Every thing you see is multifaceted. This is the art of war. You don't counter an overwhelming force with passion. Cheers!

I wont argue that.. But then look around in Pakistan mate.. If what you say is right, then Pakistan has paid a huge price (probably more than what it deserved) for using USA in killing whoever you wanted killed..

 

[Hyperion]

Not completely improbable.

I think folks here are over reacting.. All Panetta is said is that nothing is off the table as long as it protects their troops in Afghanistan.. And people here have started expecting a full scale ground invasion..
Agreed!
At worst what you will see is some Spec Ops in border tribal belt.. Quick ingress and egress aka abbotabad
Agreed, however with Pakistan's tacit approval and with Pk-SSG (powindahs) - I know it's a dangerous game but we have to maneuver the murky local politics as well. *Trust me, still Haqqanis will evade unscathed!
but mostly a steep rise in drone attacks from a few in a month to a few in a day
That has already been approved - pay no attention to the foreign office It's all about elections on both sides!
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I wont argue that.. But then look around in Pakistan mate.. If what you say is right, then Pakistan has paid a huge price (probably more than what it deserved) for using USA in killing whoever you wanted killed..

We've always paid a high price due to us being such an emotional nation. Sad. Truly sad!
Brains VS Balls = Balls always win in dear'ol Pakistan

 

[Speaker]

Any attack on Pakistan would have an element of surprise. US will certainly go for a preemptive nuclear strike so that Pakistan has little or no chance of retaliating against India and disturbing South Asian security.

Most probably, tactical nuclear missiles from USS Carl Vinson would capitulate Pakistan's war-fighting capability within a few minutes. Military and air bases with nuclear plants would be targeted and taken out. Most of pakistan's air force would be destroyed on ground. For the remaining: F-18s from Afghanistan and F 22s from UAE would establish complete air superiority over Pakistani airspace within a few hours.

After that, India would naturally invade and take over Pakistan. US would not have to launch the ground invasion by itself and a ground invasion by US is unlikely. It would be very easy for India to take over Pakistan after the initial nuclear strike and air blitz by US.



Even if they are armed with RPGs it does not matter. It just takes one nuclear bomb to kill 5 million people armed with nothing but rifles.

Your analysis sounds good on paper, but a nuclear strike on civilians will not go down well for the US. They don't have the kind of mandate to act rash anymore.

Also, your assumption of Indian involvement is a little off. It serves us no purpose to get involved in this mess, unless Pakistan or China try something stupid.

 

[Hyperion]

unless Pakistan or China try something stupid.

His analysis is right of from the pages of one of Tom Clancy's novels. Anyway, why in hell would Pakistan attack India We've all the targets punched in. They are hardly 400 - 1200 km away from us (And no I'm not talking about Isra**, again, why would we be so callous? )

 

[Mech]

@Hyperion, Your'e an Indian aren't you ?

 

[King Solomon]

Which of Tom Clancy's novel did you read recently? Have a drink and go to bed d***!

Looks like you've been reading a lot of them lately.

And? What about the nukes? They're not located @ nuclear plants.

US has sufficiently accurate information on Chinese strategic assets. The same is true for Pakistan's.

Even if pakistan manages to get away with a few nukes after the initial preemptive nuclear strike, nukes require communication to be launched. US will use it's strategic bombers to nuke and destroy all power stations and communication infrastructure in the initial barrage with strikes on military bases/airbases. You will have nukes, but no communication from central command of your army. Nukes will then be useless for Pakistan. If any nuke reaches India, which in all probabilities it will, US will just have to sit back and watch while Indian army steamrolls across Pakistan by itself.

What about our ground assets & markers? By now, you should know that they can spot a fruit-fly coming our way. Afghanistan will be toasted in the mean-time. Don't counter this with OBL episode. Then you were not adversaries, now you're... You should know this after what happened to your special seal team *

You think US cannot or does not know the coordinates of your precious ground assets?

As I said, just like Iraq's, your entire communication structure and chain of command will be destroyed by preemptive US nuclear strikes and air blitz. Any ground assets will then be useless against US or US interests.

According to a confession of a pakistani official, US already has 362 targets in Pakistan in mind - to be nuked in the event a full scale invasion is necessary. Composed of airbases, military bases, nuclear weapon storage facilities, communication infrastructure and power stations etc with other strategic points.

Thus your dream of turning Afghanistan into toast, remains just that: A dream.

As soon as we get a whiff, UAE and A-Rabs are the first targets of our "Strategic" assets.
Try explaining that to the millions of expats dead in those countries - how is that for strategic depth right in our backyard I bet you forgot this variable?

How can you target your own Arab Muslim brothers? Many Pakistanis in the forum are more Arab than Arab themselves. They defend Wahabis like anything. The Islamist president of pakistan in the 80s was so. You'd think they will have the courage to nuke their Arab masters? Nay, not at all.

Never going to happen. India has a working parliament, long standing record of making the "right" decision; Contrary to majority of Pakistani "public" opinion they deserve more credit for their mature foresight. Conclusion: India will not be duped by double dealing US of A, and at the cost of "pin prick" that is Pakistan, get in bed with the vipers (US of A). So dream on!

Illogical and mute point.

Despite the efforts of US, Russia and China that Pakistan can't use it's nukes, it is palpable that one or two of them fly to India and lands somewhere. India will have caucas belli to launch a full scale ground invasion of Pakistan. After which, we will see Indian army marching in the streets of Islamabad within a few days or so since Pakistan would be very weak after it's military and air force destroyed by initial US nuclear strike and air blitz.

If all of the above comes true. Then US will have a protracted war on it's hand, till hell freezes over!

All of your points are proven to be mute and based on nothing but delusion.

 

[Rank]

I am waiting for this... When US Start Head-to-Head War with PAKISTAN....

Pakistan VERY FIRST Strike will me INDIA Where and whom US want to use against CHINA Pakistan first Nuclear Strike will be INDIA after Afghanistan... SO GO AHEAD coward AMERICAN Taliban already f***** you so hard in Afghanistan now PAKISTAN Time... be a men and start WAR head to head rather thn using terrorist Elements against PAKISTAN...!

 

[Hyperion]

Nops. A Pakistani trying to calm down my hyper-sensitive younglings here!

@Hyperion, Your'e an Indian aren't you ?

 

[pakdefender]

Any attack on Pakistan would have an element of surprise. US will certainly go for a preemptive nuclear strike so that Pakistan has little or no chance of retaliating against India and disturbing South Asian security.

Most probably, tactical nuclear missiles from USS Carl Vinson would capitulate Pakistan's war-fighting capability within a few minutes. Military and air bases with nuclear plants would be targeted and taken out. Most of pakistan's air force would be destroyed on ground. For the remaining: F-18s from Afghanistan and F 22s from UAE would establish complete air superiority over Pakistani airspace within a few hours.

After that, India would naturally invade and take over Pakistan. US would not have to launch the ground invasion by itself and a ground invasion by US is unlikely. It would be very easy for India to take over Pakistan after the initial nuclear strike and air blitz by US.



Even if they are armed with RPGs it does not matter. It just takes one nuclear bomb to kill 5 million people armed with nothing but rifles.

aaaaaaahahahhaha , now that was hilarious

Pakistan's total area is 310,403 sq miles over which our nuclear assets have be spread out , there is no way these can be neutralized in minutes , go easy on the drugs and alcohol or you'll be dead before you know it Russians have low life expectancy any way