US - China Cold war begins, Will India join?

[beijingwalker]

US a ‘committed partner and friend’ of China: Clinton
AFP | 30th September, 2011

US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. — Photo by AFP

WASHINGTON: The United States is China’s “committed partner and friend,” Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said Thursday as she sent greetings to Beijing ahead of its National Day celebrations.

“Together, our two countries are seizing this moment in history and developing the positive, cooperative, and comprehensive relationship envisioned by our presidents,” Clinton said in a statement.

“The United States is committed to the success of China, because a thriving China is good for America and a thriving America is good for China,” she said ahead of October 1, when Beijing marks the founding of the People’s Republic.

Clinton added that by working together, the two countries can “find solutions to our most pressing global challenges”.

“On this 62nd anniversary of the founding of the People’s Republic of China…know that the United States stands with you as a committed partner and friend.”

The sometimes tense relationship between the world’s two largest economies took its latest hit when Washington announced it would upgrade Taiwan’s F-16 fighter jets, prompting Beijing to warn military ties would be affected.

Chinese President Hu Jintao made a state visit to the United States in January, following one to Beijing by US President Barack Obama in November 2009. US Vice President Joe Biden visited China in August.

China is the largest foreign holder of US debt, and in recent months had cautioned Washington to get its financial house in order, but Premier Wen Jiabao expressed confidence in the US economy during Biden’s visit.

India wants to prevent another 1962 war with China: WikiLeaks
Published:Sep 5, 2011, 21:21 IST
New Delhi | Agency: PTI

India wants to maintain "regular dialogue" with China to avoid "misunderstandings" and "accidents" that had led to the 1962 war, leaked US diplomatic cables have said.

According to the cables released by WikiLeaks, former National Security Advisor MK Narayanan had told then US Ambassador Timothy Roemer that India wants to "maintain a regular dialogue with China so as to avoid a repeat of the 1962 India-China war" that was caused, according to Narayanan, by a series of "misunderstandings and accidents".

Narayanan had told Roemer that while Chinese incursions were continuing into the Indian territory, the bilateral relations between New Delhi and Beijing were "fairly good", the cables released last week, said.

"Noting that he and his Chinese counterpart had recently had good discussions, he (Narayanan) characterised bilateral relations as 'fairly good', though India still has concerns about China's high military spending," the diplomatic cable quoting Roemer, said.

Asked about his assessment about India-China relations, Narayanan told Roemer that "while Chinese border incursions continue to occur (facilitated in a large measure by China's improved roads in the mountainous border region), the number of incursions has not increased to worrisome levels".

According to Roemer, Narayanan remarked that he wishes to continue a discussion he began in 2007 with Secretary (Robert) Gates about India's efforts to "contain" China, adding "half-jokingly" that it might not be possible to have such a discussion now since the US and China have since become "big buddies."

 

[Paan Singh]

we dont even send military to afgnsitan
and we will join U.S-china rivalry?

 

[Martian2]

It's a stupid article.

B-1 is not stealthy. It has no chance of survival against China's modern, integrated, and over-lapping air defenses.

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Reference: http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/stealth-aircraft-rcs.htm

 

[LeGenD]

India found it easier to stay neutral during previous COLD WAR. However, current situation is different. India is now competing with China for regional influence and also on both military and economic fronts. This rivalry comes as natural to both nations.

Just look at the discussion threads involving both Indian and Chinese members; a 'war of words' always arises in such threads.

Therefore, India will become part of the Chinese containment strategy. It is unavoidable.

It's a stupid article.

B-1 is not stealthy. It has no chance of survival against China's modern, integrated, and over-lapping air defenses.

B-1B can carry cruise missiles and attack from long range distances due to this factor. No need to underestimate US bomber fleet, which is the most lethal in the world.

 

[northeast]

shifts to the Asia-Pacific region doesnt mean cold war,Russia is also in Asia Pacific region,actually all the currrent powers are in this region.don't try to hype things up.China and US are mutually the biggest trading partners,the relations bw the two countries are way deeper and better than it seems to be.

Trade won't make an enemy to a friend.
But due to chinese are far less aggressive than russian，I guess china would never dare to act like the mighty Soviet Union.

 

[Martian2]

India found it easier to stay neutral during previous COLD WAR. However, current situation is different. India is now competing with China for regional influence and also on both military and economic fronts. This rivalry comes as natural to both nations.

Just look at the discussion threads involving both Indian and Chinese members; a 'war of words' always arises in such threads.

Therefore, India will become part of the Chinese containment strategy. It is unavoidable.


B-1B can carry cruise missiles and attack from long range distances due to this factor. No need to underestimate US bomber fleet, which is the most lethal in the world.

Submarines (SSGN) can fire cruise missiles. At least they're much harder to find. The B-1 is a sitting duck.

 

[Apóllōn]

PHNOM PENH, Cambodia (AP) — The Obama administration pressed Beijing on Thursday to accept a code of conduct for resolving territorial disputes in the resource-rich South China Sea, a difficult U.S. mediation effort that has faced resistance from the communist government. It has endeared the U.S., however, to once-hostile countries in Southeast Asia.

But countless meetings between American and Chinese officials have not led to progress on a lasting solution. Various longstanding disputes among China, the Philippines, Vietnam, Taiwan, Malaysia and Brunei involve the area's busy sea lanes, and many observers fear the complicated web of disputes could spark a violent conflict.

ASEAN's 10 members announced earlier this week that they have drafted a set of rules governing maritime rights and navigation, and procedures for when governments disagree. But China is not a member of the group and hasn't agreed to anything.

US, China square off over South China Sea - World news

 

[beijingwalker]

China also "urge"US on many issues,but it seems neither of us likes to listen to each other.

 

[LeGenD]

Submarines (SSGN) can fire cruise missiles. At least they're much harder to find. The B-1 is a sitting duck.

Friend, US war machine is very resource-intensive. Their are layers upon layers of supportive systems which help US aircraft during a conflict. US possesses amazing Intel gathering and electronic jamming capabilities. Chinese SAM systems will be blinded at the time of assault.

Also, B-1B Lancer is a highly manoeuvrable aircraft, possesses decent countermeasures, and can cruise at supersonic speeds. And most importantly, it can fire AGM-86B cruise missiles which have a range of over 1000 kms. Even long range SAM systems are not safe from these aircraft.

 

[Martian2]

Friend, US war machine is very resource-intensive. Their are layers upon layers of supportive systems which help US aircraft during a conflict. US possesses amazing Intel gathering and electronic jamming capabilities. Chinese SAM systems will be blinded at the time of assault.

Also, B-1B Lancer is a highly manoeuvrable aircraft, possesses decent countermeasures, and can cruise at supersonic speeds. And most importantly, it can fire AGM-86B cruise missiles which have a range of over 1000 kms. Even long range SAM systems are not safe from these aircraft.

I just don't think it's worthwhile news.

1. China will bombard Guam with ballistic missiles to attack the airbase for the B-1.

2. China can intercept the non-stealthy B-1.

3. China has cruise missile defenses.

To me, it's business as usual. The B-1 adds no real new capability and it doesn't fix Guam's vulnerability to a ballistic missile attack.

 

[LeGenD]

1. China will bombard Guam with ballistic missiles to attack the airbase for the B-1.

Yes! China can attack Guam but it is not the only region from where B-1B can operate.

2. China can intercept the non-stealthy B-1.

Of course, it can. However, question is that will it get the opportunity to do during the conflict? Not so easy.

3. China has cruise missile defenses.

Sorry?

To me, it's business as usual. The B-1 adds no real new capability and it doesn't fix Guam's vulnerability to a ballistic missile attack.

Ask the Americans.

 

[IND151]

India will try to stay neutral as long as possible

we need another decade of sustained and good economic growth to truly become a global power

 

[Pakistanisage]

India has to be a party if china continues to arm pakistan against the country

Pakistan Army and Pakistan Air Force are a one third the size of India and Pakistan Navy is one sixth the size of Indian Navy.

Why does Pakistan scare you so much ?

 

[majesticpankaj]

Pakistan Army and Pakistan Air Force are a one third the size of India and Pakistan Navy is one sixth the size of Indian Navy.

Why does Pakistan scare you so much ?

yaa... i agree our navy is overkill for pakistan

 

[manofwar]

Pakistan Army is and Pakistan Air Force are a one third the size of India and Pakistan Navy is one sixth the size of Indian Navy.

Why does Pakistan scare you so much ?

Simply because it's a threat and a nuclear power. And due to volatility in Pakistan's political scene, there is no telling when a mad general takes power and nukes our country off the map. So yes we consider Pakistan a very big threat.