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US can't attack Iran, and Israel probably can't handle the response: Slate

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Interesting perspective from Slate. I agree with this hypothesis. The US is an absolutely no position to open a third front and the Israelis cannot take out the large number of facilities necessary to set the Iranian nuclear program back in any meaningful way. Moreover, Iran's capacity to retaliate is sufficient for Israel to think numerous times before embarking upon such an adventure.


Israel and Iran: The gathering storm | The Economist

Preparing for the Worst
The United States won't bomb Iran, but another country might.

By Anne Applebaum
Posted Monday, Feb. 22, 2010, at 8:03 PM ET

Mahmoud AhmadinejadLet's be serious for a moment. President Barack Obama will not bomb Iran. This is not because he is a liberal, or because he is a peacenik, or because he doesn't have the guts to try and "save" his presidency in this time-honored manner, as Sarah Palin said she would like him to do.

The president will not bomb Iran's nuclear installations for precisely the same reasons that George W. Bush did not bomb Iran's nuclear installations: because we don't know exactly where they all are, because we don't know whether such a raid could stop the Iranian nuclear program for more than a few months, and because Iran's threatened response—against Israelis and U.S. troops, via Iran's allies in Iraq, Afghanistan, Palestine, and Lebanon—isn't one we want to cope with at this precise moment. Nor do we want the higher oil prices that would instantly follow. No U.S. president doing a sober calculation would want to start a new war of choice while U.S. troops are still actively engaged on two other fronts, and no U.S. president could expect public support for more than a nanosecond.

But even if Obama does not bomb Iran, that doesn't mean that no one else will. At the moment, when Washington is consumed by health care and the implications of the Massachusetts Senate special election, it may seem as if Obama's most important legacy, positive or negative, will be domestic. In the future, we may not consider any of this at all important. The defining moment of his presidency may well come at 2 a.m. some day, when he picks up the phone and is told that the Israeli prime minister is on the line: Israel has just carried out a raid on Iranian nuclear sites. What then?

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Yahoo! Buzz FacebookMySpace Mixx Digg Reddit del.icio.us Furl Ma.gnolia SphereStumbleUponCLOSEThis is hardly an inevitable scenario: If the Israelis were as enthusiastic about bombing raids as some believe, they would have carried them out already. They had no qualms about sending eight jets to take out Saddam Hussein's nuclear reactor in Iraq in 1981 or about bombing a purported Syrian facility in 2007. Both are now considered model operations. They were brief and successful, they provoked no serious retaliation, and they even won de facto acceptance from the outside world as legitimate defensive measures.

The Iranian context is different, as Zeev Raz, the squadron leader of the 1981 raid, readily concedes. "There is no single target that you could bomb with eight aircraft," he told the Economist (in a strangely tragic article that says Raz "exudes gloom" while his children apply for foreign passports). The Israelis have the same doubts as everyone else about the efficacy of raids, which is why they have focused on covert sabotage and even off-the-record diplomacy, despite having no diplomatic relations with Iran, in the hopes of slowing down the nuclear development process. They have also quietly studied the ways in which Iran could be deterred, knowing that they will have the advantage in nuclear technology for the next couple of decades. Though they keep all options on the table, they have so far concluded that bombing raids aren't worth the consequences.

At some point in the future, that calculation could change. Since Americans often assume that everyone else perceives the world the same way we do, it is worth repeating the obvious here: Many Israelis regard the Iranian nuclear program as a matter of life and death. The prospect of a nuclear Iran isn't an irritant or a distant threat. It is understood directly in the context of the Iranian president's provocative attacks on Israel's right to exist and of his public support for historians who deny the Holocaust. If you want to make Israelis paranoid, hint that they might be the target of an attempted mass murder. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad does exactly that.

If that ever happened, the 2 a.m. phone call would be followed by retaliation, some of which would be directed at us, our troops in Iraq, our ships at sea. I don't want this to happen, but I do want us to be prepared if it does. Contrary to Palin, I do not think Obama would restore the fortunes of his presidency by bombing Iran, like a character out of the movie Wag the Dog. But I do hope that this administration is ready, militarily and psychologically, not for a war of choice but for an unwanted war of necessity. This is real life, after all, not Hollywood.
 
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Before USA attacked IRAQ, Saddam Hussein also said same think.

If USA decides they can cripple iran in few hours.
 
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Before USA attacked IRAQ, Saddam Hussein also said same think.

If USA decides they can cripple iran in few hours.

1. Was the USA fighting two other wars when it attacked Iraq?
2. Was the US military overstretched, with key units having been on multiple tours of duty over a period of 8 years, when the US attacked Iraq?
3. Was there a similar hue and cry in the US to stop international intervention and get the troops back, when the US attacked Iraq?
4. Are there similar UN sanctions and international support for action against Iran as there were for the action against Iraq?
5. Were the Iraqi armed services as large as the Iranian services?
6. Was the target area in Iraq as widely dispersed as it is in Iran?
7. Did Iraq have the territorial depth or manpower that Iran has?
8. Was Iraq in possession of nuclear technology that can be used to make a dirty bomb in the event of a crisis?
9. Could Iraq destroy shipping in the Gulf with a coast that stretches all along, and dozens of C-802 and other anti-ship batteries/missile boats etc.?
10. Could Iraq cause significant issues to US operations in other countries (e.g. Afghanistan) like Iran can today?
11. Did Iraq control the hezbollah or Hamas or was it in a position to start a fairly large scale military action including the use of thousands of missiles, against a US ally like Israel?
12. Did Iraq posess a SAM or air defence umbrella anywhere close to Iran? (S-300 etc.)
13. In Iraq there was the phenomenon of the majority population hating the ruler and being supressed (65% shia ruled by a small minority of baathists). In Iran this is not the case at all.

One can go on and on. If you don't see any difference in the situation with Iraq and the Iran scenario, then your perception is very limited.
 
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In 2005, one of Iran's top military generals said that the Iranian armed forces have concluded that no country could attack Iran and that the only threat facing Iran will be internal.

If they were foolish enough to try such a thing, the US fifth fleet based in Bahrain will be obliterated as would their bases in Iraq, Afghanistan, Kuwait and Qatar. American soldiers will once again face the Mahdi army in Iraq and their vulnerable bases will taste shahab and zelzal missiles. A single barrel of oil will not be exported from the Persian Gulf and the world economy will grind to a halt. US fighter planes that will try to carry out such attacks won't have an airstrip to return to.

Israel will also be severely punished by Iranian Missiles based in Iran, Syria and Lebonan.

Should any Arab Dictator in the Persian Gulf decide to join in on any such attack, their oil and gas fields will be put out of operation for many years to come.

America can say goodbye to its aircraft carriers in the Persian Gulf, it will be forced to remove them or let them sink to the bottom of the Persian Gulf. To give you an insight into military planners in Iran; they have said in the past "as long as the US navy is in the Persian Gulf, we're not worried, as soon as they leave, we might start worrying" meaning we have the ability to sink their ships and they know it.

I went to a lecture given by an Iranian general and i got the impression that they are almost itching for a confrontation with the US for two reasons, one it will give us a reason to build nuclear weapons and two America would be forced to leave from the Middle east.
 
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Before USA attacked IRAQ, Saddam Hussein also said same think.

If USA decides they can cripple iran in few hours.

It's not America we're worried about, it's India, the worlds largest weapons importer lol.
 
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^^ iranian day dreaming, lol

US cant attack iran, because US economy is crippling
 
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^^ iranian day dreaming, lol

I am under no illusions, Iran wouldn't last more than a few months if it fought a conventional war with the USA. However, we are not going to fight conventionally.

We will use the same tactics we taught Hezbollah, these are the same tactics that allowed a few thousands Hezbollah soldiers to defeat the mighty IDF.
 
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It's not America we're worried about, it's India, the worlds largest weapons importer lol.

India has no history of attacking other country for territorial gain. Do not worry about us.
 
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1. Was the USA fighting two other wars when it attacked Iraq?
2. Was the US military overstretched, with key units having been on multiple tours of duty over a period of 8 years, when the US attacked Iraq?
3. Was there a similar hue and cry in the US to stop international intervention and get the troops back, when the US attacked Iraq?
4. Are there similar UN sanctions and international support for action against Iran as there were for the action against Iraq?
5. Were the Iraqi armed services as large as the Iranian services?
6. Was the target area in Iraq as widely dispersed as it is in Iran?
7. Did Iraq have the territorial depth or manpower that Iran has?
8. Was Iraq in possession of nuclear technology that can be used to make a dirty bomb in the event of a crisis?
9. Could Iraq destroy shipping in the Gulf with a coast that stretches all along, and dozens of C-802 and other anti-ship batteries/missile boats etc.?
10. Could Iraq cause significant issues to US operations in other countries (e.g. Afghanistan) like Iran can today?
11. Did Iraq control the hezbollah or Hamas or was it in a position to start a fairly large scale military action including the use of thousands of missiles, against a US ally like Israel?
12. Did Iraq posess a SAM or air defence umbrella anywhere close to Iran? (S-300 etc.)
13. In Iraq there was the phenomenon of the majority population hating the ruler and being supressed (65% shia ruled by a small minority of baathists). In Iran this is not the case at all.

One can go on and on. If you don't see any difference in the situation with Iraq and the Iran scenario, then your perception is very limited.

Do you know how Israel gets OIL? no arab country able to stop oil supply to israel even during gazza blockade.
 
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super_star..this is Iran not Iraq...

agreed its iran, and its maybe three or four times the size of iraq, but you must see that iran is still iran, its technology and quantity is nothing as compared to the US.

and at the hizbullah point, iran also has "a very big disadvantage" and this is jundullah supported by ISI and pak army and the government lol:rofl::rofl::rofl: they will liberate sistan and balochistan even before iran tries to seal the gulf lol
 
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and at the hizbullah point, iran also has "a very big disadvantage" and this is jundullah supported by ISI and pak army and the government lol:rofl::rofl::rofl:

What complete deluded nonsense.

Pakistan has not ever, does not and will not in future support Jundullah. Please curb the trash talk.
 
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Do you know how Israel gets OIL? no arab country able to stop oil supply to israel even during gazza blockade.

In 1973, during the blockade, it got its oil from the Shah of Iran. Maybe this time they can get it from Ahmadinejad :rofl:
 
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What complete deluded nonsense.

Pakistan has not ever, does not and will not in future support Jundullah. Please curb the trash talk.

do you understamd any joke bro???, i was refering to abi's continuous bickering
 
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