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US and China are 'two big animals learning to co-exist,' says Morgan Stanley
  • The U.S. and China have had a difficult relationship this year, but it doesn't mark the start of an economic cold war, said Colm Kelleher, president of Morgan Stanley.
  • Instead, the two countries are "just two big animals learning to co-exist with each other," Kelleher said, adding that there is a way out of the tariff fight.
Published 31 Mins Ago Updated 14 Mins Ago CNBC.com

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The massive trade dispute between the U.S. and China — which some expect to drag through next year— will not bring about a global, economic cold war, according to Morgan Stanley.

"I think these are just two big animals learning to co-exist with each other," Colm Kelleher, the president of Morgan Stanley, said on Thursday. He was responding to a question from CNBC's Sri Jegarajah on whether rancor between the two countries signals the start of a new kind of cold war.

The two largest economies in the world have had a difficult relationship this year: The U.S. imposed tariffs on $250 billion worth of Chinese goods, and China responded with retaliatory tariffs on $110 billion of American imports.


"My view is that President Trump is a deal maker, he's realistic. He has a lot of support from the United States ... on whether China has benefited too much from globalization, and he's trying to re-address that balance."-Colm Kelleher, president, Morgan Stanley
The tariff fight between the two countries is often cited as the biggest risk to global investor confidence and a threat to the world economy. The International Monetary Fund, for instance, cut its global growth forecasts for this year and next as a result of the trade fight.

U.S. President Donald Trump and Chinese President Xi Jinping are expected to meet at the G-20 summit this week, with trade high on their agenda. Kelleher acknowledged he can't know how the meeting will turn out, but he said he's hopeful that it will mark the start to "a more practical cooperation between the two basically superpowers."

"My view is that President Trump is a deal maker, he's realistic. He has a lot of support from the United States ... on whether China has benefited too much from globalization, and he's trying to re-address that balance," Kelleher said at the Morgan Stanley 17th Annual Asia Pacific Summit in Singapore.

"I think even the Chinese themselves understand the merit of some of that" sentiment, he added. The Chinese government under Xi is "very practical" and has shown "real evidence" of opening up their markets.

'Face-saving deals'
All that means there is a way out of the tariff fight, Kelleher said. Even if the U.S. ends up slapping 25 percent in tariffs on all Chinese imports, that would slice 1.3 percentage point off China's economic growth — a number that's "meaningful," but not something that Beijing cannot overcome, he said, citing Morgan Stanley research.

"There's plenty of things the Chinese can do," said Kelleher. "So, I do think we can get a way out of this. I think there'll be some dealing done. There'll be some face-saving deals done, and I think we'll move forward."

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/11/29/tra...in-economic-cold-war-says-morgan-stanley.html
 
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I am not sure of this statement
""I think even the Chinese themselves understand the merit of some of that" sentiment, he added. The Chinese government under Xi is "very practical" and has shown "real evidence" of opening up their markets."
 
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I am not sure of this statement
""I think even the Chinese themselves understand the merit of some of that" sentiment, he added. The Chinese government under Xi is "very practical" and has shown "real evidence" of opening up their markets."
I believe cars and luxury items markets should be opened so we don't have to pay way more money to buy a foreign car and travel to other countries to buy luxury designer items at a much cheaper price.
 
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I believe cars and luxury items markets should be opened so we don't have to pay way more money to buy a foreign car and travel to other countries to buy luxury designer items at a much cheaper price.

your statement is a good example for my comment
 
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I believe cars and luxury items markets should be opened so we don't have to pay way more money to buy a foreign car and travel to other countries to buy luxury designer items at a much cheaper price.
I do not think the luxury markets should be opened, the more important thing is reduce personal income tax and increase the income level of citizens. Increase citizen purchasing power instead of making luxury more cheaper.
 
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I do not think the luxury markets should be opened, the more important thing is reduce personal income tax and increase the income level of citizens. Increase citizen purchasing power instead of making luxury more cheaper.

Well, in contrary, luxury market is better to be opened. The one that should be protected are markets that more essential for the people in your country. Why? Because Luxury Market is basically an "art". Luxury Merchandise are always about taste, art, and prestige. With opening the market, Chinese costumers' taste of art and prestige will be upgraded. So that it can stimulate domestic creativity in developing better luxury merchandise in the future.
 
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They should start acting like symbiot and host instead. That would be much better for everyone.
 
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The fact is Chinese are comfortable to USA being a large animal as it always has been for the last 100 years, but the Americans are feeling very uncomfortable with China rising up economically and technologically closing rapidly the gaps with USA.

American politicians lack the British courage of accepting losing dominance over other nations. British accepts the lost of their global colonial empire, can Americans politicians and military brass do the same if their sphere of global dominance shrinks?
 
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The fact is Chinese are comfortable to USA being a large animal as it always has been for the last 100 years, but the Americans are feeling very uncomfortable with China rising up economically and technologically closing rapidly the gaps with USA.

American politicians lack the British courage of accepting losing dominance over other nations. British accepts the lost of their global colonial empire, can Americans politicians and military brass do the same if their sphere of global dominance shrinks?

It is a difficult and painful thing to let dominance go. The Yanks are learning.
 
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I do not think the luxury markets should be opened, the more important thing is reduce personal income tax and increase the income level of citizens. Increase citizen purchasing power instead of making luxury more cheaper.

I agree.

All should either have direct tax or indirect tax.

Having both only breeds incompetency in government sector as they are assured of a job and they know they get a guaranteed salary from taxes.
 
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It's US Trump team that needs to learn how to co-exist with China, not just to demand or take.
 
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