US accuses Pakistan of providing sanctuaries to Taliban

[Mrc]

I think this band wagon is broken and Talibs are jumping on its ruins

 

[Slav Defence]

This alliance was no different than failed marriage. Instead of blaming Pakistan like ex lover, US really needs to review their own intelligence system and quality of planning. Pakistani regime tried to warn US while they were attacking Afghanistan and all Pakistan got was unfair treatment and threats that they will throw Pakistan to stone age if they didn't cooperate. Pakistan economically lost stability and also lost human lives as well. US started drone attacks inside Pakistan and ignored all suggestions and warnings given by Pakistan. US also targeted those elements who would have played vital role in guaranteeing victory in Afghanistan for "unknown" reasons. It more appeared as if US wanted Pakistan to create animosity with Afghanistan and make both suffer together but tables had turned against them for their foolish and blind attacks in which they failed to differentiate between a friend and foe and US also failed to guarantee Pakistan immunity against India and hostile Afghan elements. I know in past years how much price we have paid. Read what Hilary Clinton said in this regard. US made more mess than cleaning it.
Now the way US tried to blame Pakistan feels more like US was after destroying Pakistan and had other intentions not what they were showing because no nation on earth treats their allies like US did. Moreover, US has totally lost her credibility in this region as ally and if US did not repaired her relationship with Pakistan over this, then I am afraid that US will loose remaining support as well and at the end of the day US will leave with empty hands.
I am trying to warn, not being negative or hateful. Wake up and accept your ill treatment with your allies and stop accusing us before it gets too late.
Also, due to this immense stupidity and rigid behavior opportunity for Chinese has increased into ten folds. Even if US wants now, they cannot in anyway reduce reputation that Chinese are working hard to build. Thankyou US for commiting suicide!

Regards and best wishes.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1424805280274161670

but why?
when Taliban are taking one town after another capturing 80% + of Afghanistan. why they need sanctuaries? when their oppenents are either running away or surrendering


it is actually Afghan National Army troops trained and equipped by Americans that are seeking sanctuaries in Pakistan while deserting the fight in Afghanistan.

if you read this forum US is not wrong 99% pakistanis here supporting day night talibans

but if the forum support of Taliban is seen as giving sanctuaries then that is a bad analogy.
specially when Talibs are on the roll.. it should be bad mouth Mohib and his cousins that should be seeking hiding places in Afghanistan neighboring countries

 

[Trango Towers]

if you read this forum US is not wrong 99% pakistanis here supporting day night talibans

We support the taliban ti get rid of America and India from the Northern border.

I think deep down you know this bhai.

No one supports the bs they do

 

[Genghis khan1]

Dirty job for me? That's in the Afghanistan side on the promises of US for 20.years that the land will not be used against Pakistan. Had it to be done by us, we would have done it already. But, the NATO and all that was promising and you just don't go gun blazing like that. Now, we can do but still needs to fence the border first and then we will keep the pressure on the controllers to do the needful. You don't just cross the line like that especially when it is Pakistan. Pakistan can do but, there are obligations given the fact that almost everyone of them is ready to sanction us especially since CPEC.

Limited Sanctions and blame will come regardless. Problem with Pakistani Generaaals is, they look up for Uncle Sam appeasement before taking any step. May be due to country military over reliance on US equipment and IMF.

Fact of a matter is, Afghanistan is your (Pakistan’s) backyard, not US, India, (Not even China) or any other country. No body cares how it endup at the end of the day. There are only two countries that is directly effected by Afghanistan #1. Pakistan and #2. Iran to some extent.

Pakistan needs to be clear in their objective, to the world. Afghan govt is hostile (despite many approaches by Pakistan) and is a national security threat. Afghan govt gotta go, and new inclusive govt needs to form. Ghani either come to his senses and start proper negotiations or Pakistan will stop doing business with Ghani govt as legitimate representative of Afghanistan.

#2. Until interim Afghan govt or new inclusive govt is form that can assure security. Pakistan will hunt it's terrorist inside Afghanistan.

US is essentially doing exact same thing. Pakistani Generaaals needs to grow some spine. US and world will respect that.

 

[The Eagle]

Problem with Pakistani Generaaals is, they look up for Uncle Sam appeasement before taking any step. May be due to country military over reliance on US equipment and IMF.

If you ask me, that's totally wrong and misunderstood about Pakistan Army.

Fact of a matter is, Afghanistan is your (Pakistan’s) backyard, not US, India, (Not even China) or any other country. No body cares how it endup at the end of the day. There are only two countries that is directly effected by Afghanistan #1. Pakistan and #2. Iran to some extent.

True that but there is another fact as well. Afghanistan is also a hell hole and since 40+ foreign nationalities along with unlimited number of hostile agencies; it's been always the plan to suck in Pakistan.

Pakistan needs to be clear in their objective, to the world. Afghan govt is hostile (despite many approaches by Pakistan) and is a national security threat. Afghan govt gotta go, and new inclusive govt needs to form. Ghani either come to his senses and start proper negotiations or Pakistan will stop doing business with Ghani govt as legitimate representative of Afghanistan.

Kabul Regime and it's propaganda is already exposed by Pakistan. But about regime change, here is the tricky part and Pakistan wouldn't side with any force in Afghanistan for this alone. There are reasons and as I said before, almost of EU bloc with US on top is merely waiting for us to express our foul desire of interfering into Afghanistan. Try to understand.

Until interim Afghan govt or new inclusive govt is form that can assure security. Pakistan will hunt it's terrorist inside Afghanistan.

One thing is already agreed that Afghanistan land will not be used against Pakistan. Secondly, if so; nobody knows what's being said next. Technically and this is my personal opinion that unless US/NATO fully exit; Pakistan will not conduct a direct Op in Afghanistan but we will use other means including diplomacy and higher forums to take action. Rest about hunting the illegal forces, there are undeclared means and who knows.

 

[The Eagle]

US is essentially doing exact same thing. Pakistani Generaaals needs to grow some spine. US and world will respect that.

US/NATO is doing things based upon their created narrative whereby, Pakistan warned them of being wrong in this. As you said that US is doing exactly like that, just look at US exit and all the medals they are carrying with them. Not just that, Pakistan alone is not NATO. You may have so much for Pakistani Generals but in my opinion you have no idea about Pakistan situation. Better to drop such uncivilized calling. Better not to downplay our sacrifices, fighting and malign the Forces. Better not to make this like Iraq and Libya. Lest not sow hate against Pakistan Army knowing that an individual is nothing but it's the institute so when you say General, you are addressing to whole institute.

 

[Genghis khan1]

This alliance was no different than failed marriage. Instead of blaming Pakistan like ex lover, US really needs to review their own intelligence system and quality of planning. Pakistani regime tried to warn US while they were attacking Afghanistan and all Pakistan got was unfair treatment and threats that they will throw Pakistan to stone age if they didn't cooperate. Pakistan economically lost stability and also lost human lives as well. US started drone attacks inside Pakistan and ignored all suggestions and warnings given by Pakistan. US also targeted those elements who would have played vital role in guaranteeing victory in Afghanistan for "unknown" reasons. It more appeared as if US wanted Pakistan to create animosity with Afghanistan and make both suffer together but tables had turned against them for their foolish and blind attacks in which they failed to differentiate between a friend and foe and US also failed to guarantee Pakistan immunity against India and hostile Afghan elements. I know in past years how much price we have paid. Read what Hilary Clinton said in this regard. US made more mess than cleaning it.
Now the way US tried to blame Pakistan feels more like US was after destroying Pakistan and had other intentions not what they were showing because no nation on earth treats their allies like US did. Moreover, US has totally lost her credibility in this region as ally and if US did not repaired her relationship with Pakistan over this, then I am afraid that US will loose remaining support as well and at the end of the day US will leave with empty hands.
I am trying to warn, not being negative or hateful. Wake up and accept your ill treatment with your allies and stop accusing us before it gets too late.
Also, due to this immense stupidity and rigid behavior opportunity for Chinese has increased into ten folds. Even if US wants now, they cannot in anyway reduce reputation that Chinese are working hard to build. Thankyou US for commiting suicide!

Regards and best wishes.

Two things:

#1. Other than UK, and her cousins in western Europe, Everyone is a regional bimbo. Habibis, Asians and South and Central American are as needed friends with benefits (Bimbos). Uncle Sam goes around the world with carrot and a stick.

#2. Pakistan wasn’t really an ally. These are the actual sentiment of folk in the Pentagon back in 2007. “ They (Pakistan govt) are okay, but they can go to shit anytime”. Meaning situation or Policy towards Pakistan can switch from friends to foe any time.

 

[Genghis khan1]

US/NATO is doing things based upon their created narrative whereby, Pakistan warned them of being wrong in this. As you said that US is doing exactly like that, just look at US exit and all the medals they are carrying with them. Not just that, Pakistan alone is not NATO. You may have so much for Pakistani Generals but in my opinion you have no idea about Pakistan situation. Better to drop such uncivilized calling. Better not to downplay our sacrifices, fighting and malign the Forces. Better not to make this like Iraq and Libya. Lest not sow hate against Pakistan Army knowing that an individual is nothing but it's the institute so when you say General, you are addressing to whole institute.

Your are right, in hindsight everyone can draw perfect solutions. Just like pundits do for Kargil and 71 war. In no way this WoT challenge was in anyway easy. But let’s be realistic, these sacrifices are the outcomes of mistakes that are made, and the game is still not over. Losing 70 k people without a foreign invasion and foreign agents renting houses in Islamabad, Bin laden raid and so on.

 

[Slav Defence]

Two things:

#1. Other than UK, and her cousins in western Europe, Everyone is a regional bimbo. Habibis, Asians and South and Central American are as needed friends with benefits (Bimbos). Uncle Sam goes around the world with carrot and a stick.

#2. Pakistan wasn’t really an ally. These are the actual sentiment of folk in the Pentagon back in 2007. “ They (Pakistan govt) are okay, but they can go to shit anytime”. Meaning situation or Policy towards Pakistan can switch from friends to any time.

I agree with you on second point. The statement made me laugh. No alliance on earth works without mutual cooperation and trust.As Brits say: "You scratch my back and I will scratch yours!", same analogy works in this case too.
Regards

 

[Genghis khan1]

I agree with you on second point. The statement made me laugh. No alliance on earth works without mutual cooperation and trust.As Brits say: "You scratch my back and I will scratch yours!", same analogy works in this case too.
Regards

It’s always a two way road, lesson that Pakistan need to adhere too when talking about higher Higher than Himalayas and sweeter than Honey friendship. Just like Habibis were disappointed and switched few years ago, Soon or later even Chinese will reevaluate their transactions and risks.

 

[Baz2020]

This time around China is going to help pak crack the behinds of USA India and the Afghans.

 

[airmarshal]

Ever since USA occupied Afghanistan, we have governments installed in Kabul which were always anti Pakistan. This has been a trend since Pakistan came into being.

The only time when Pakistan had a sigh of relief was when Taliban were ruling Afghanistan. They were not friends of Pakistan but still they were not enemies.

Look at this now. We have a puppet like Ghani in Afghanistan. This group of corrupt leaders have no interest in peace. If they were sincere to Afghanistan, they would have engaged Taliban. Because of these people, we have NDS and RAW supported groups like PTM,ANP and Achakzai. We have patronage of terror groups like TTP and BLA.

There are people here who will not support Taliban for their ideology. fair enough. No likes their ideology. But it has been 20 years!! Taliban have evolved. They have installed Tajik, Hazara governors now in areas they have under control. Taliban have also promised it will not let Afghan land use its soil against anyone. This promise is in writing and its a promise never ever made by the corrupt as*holes ruling Afghanistan with American support.

So if I want to have peace, I want to give Taliban a chance. If Taliban arent there, it will be this group of thugs. It would have been ideal if there was a broad based coalition including Afghanistan. But the puppets have no interest in peace. War is the economy and these people are the biggest beneficiaries.

 

[Dalit]

Ever since USA occupied Afghanistan, we have governments installed in Kabul which were always anti Pakistan. This has been a trend since Pakistan came into being.

The only time when Pakistan had a sigh of relief was when Taliban were ruling Afghanistan. They were not friends of Pakistan but still they were not enemies.

Look at this now. We have a puppet like Ghani in Afghanistan. This group of corrupt leaders have no interest in peace. If they were sincere to Afghanistan, they would have engaged Taliban. Because of these people, we have NDS and RAW supported groups like PTM,ANP and Achakzai. We have patronage of terror groups like TTP and BLA.

There are people here who will not support Taliban for their ideology. fair enough. No likes their ideology. But it has been 20 years!! Taliban have evolved. They have installed Tajik, Hazara governors now in areas they have under control. Taliban have also promised it will not let Afghan land use its soil against anyone. This promise is in writing and its a promise never ever made by the corrupt as*holes ruling Afghanistan with American support.

So if I want to have peace, I want to give Taliban a chance. If Taliban arent there, it will be this group of thugs. It would have been ideal if there was a broad based coalition including Afghanistan. But the puppets have no interest in peace. War is the economy and these people are the biggest beneficiaries.

All of this is not a coincidence. It was pre-planned. The Americans have been appeasing Indian wishes for a long time now. The Americans have become irrelevant. At the end of August China will resume leadership role.

 

[jbond197]

All of this is not a coincidence. It was pre-planned. The Americans have been appeasing Indian wishes for a long time now. The Americans have become irrelevant. At the end of August China will resume leadership role.

This arroagnace is trademark.. Wait till the time your leadership comea running up to American leadership to save your ***.. It will happen very soon..