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By Kathy Gannon | AP October 31
ISLAMABAD — Two senior Taliban figures said that Pakistan issued a stark warning to the militant group, apparently surprised and angered over being excluded from the insurgents’ secret talks with the Afghan government.

They said the Pakistani government warned the Taliban that unless they consult with Islamabad during the negotiations all top Taliban leaders will be forced to leave Pakistan along with their families.

The Islamabad ultimatum was given last week to a three-person Taliban delegation visiting Pakistan from Qatar, where the militant group’s political office is located, said the two Taliban figures. They spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the talks.

Pakistan’s government declined to comment on Monday. It denies Afghan accusations that Islamabad is providing a safe haven to the Taliban.

“We won’t communicate with the Taliban through the media. I have no comment to make,” said Sartaj Aziz, a government adviser on foreign affairs.


The three members of the Taliban delegation are Mullah Salam Hanifi and Mullah Jan Mohammed, both former ministers in the Taliban government, and Maulvi Shahabuddin Dilawar, a former ambassador to Saudi Arabia and Pakistan . They arrived from Qatar two weeks ago, apparently aiming to smooth Pakistan’s ruffled feathers after it was revealed that the Taliban held secret talks with the Afghan government in September and October.

Under pressure from both Washington and Kabul to get the Taliban to the negotiating table, Islamabad has been frustrated by the refusal of Taliban leaders living in Pakistan to participate in talks.

The three Taliban representatives are now in Quetta, the capital of Pakistan’s southwest Baluchistan province, to brief other leaders of the group about their discussions with Pakistani officials, said the two Taliban figures.

Many of the Taliban leaders living in Pakistan are accompanied by their children, who attend school in the country. Several also own property and businesses in Pakistan. Some of them trace their association with Pakistan back three decades. Although the Taliban have carved out some areas in Afghanistan where they can live in relative safety, it would be difficult for them to move there with their families, especially with children, who would have no access to school.

While Pakistan provides health care to wounded Taliban fighters and shelter to many of its leaders, the relationship between the two is often quarrelsome and tainted with mistrust on both sides.

In one of several official Taliban What’s App groups, an app that the insurgent group uses to chat, as well as for issuing claims of responsibility for attacks and sharing pictures, the militants recently accused Pakistan of helping the United States kill Taliban leader Mullah Akhtar Mansour, who died in May in a U.S.-drone strike in Pakistan’s southwestern Baluchistan province.

Several senior Taliban are in jail in Pakistan, either for refusing Pakistan’s demands to open peace talks or for talking to Afghan government officials without involving Pakistan. During their meetings, the Taliban delegation wanted information on group members currently in jail, the two Taliban officials told The Associated Press.


Among those in jail is Mullah Nanai, a former intelligence chief during Mansour’s rule. Nanai was arrested earlier this month after he reportedly refused to take part in the quadrilateral talks involving the United States, China, Pakistan and Afghanistan, said the Taliban officials.

Pakistan also tried to arrest Amir Khan Muttaqi, who was one of the most senior ministers in the Taliban’s government and opposed talks. He was not home at the time of the raid in Quetta, officials said.

Further complicating efforts to forge ahead with talks aimed at ending the war in Afghanistan are the divisions within the Taliban over whether to participate in negotiations. Many of the militant group’s foot soldiers have balked at talks, particularly given their recent battlefield successes. Nanai and Muttaqi are also flatly opposed to Afghanistan peace negotiations, yet the Taliban’s Doha office has held talks.

Earlier this month, the former head of the Taliban’s Doha political office, Tayyab Aga, wrote a letter addressed to the Taliban leader Mullah Haibatullah Akhundzada in which he called for Islamabad to be excluded from talks with the Afghan government and urged all Taliban leaders to leave Pakistan. He also urged the Taliban to drop its name, the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan, a longstanding demand of the Afghan government, and instead refer to themselves as a movement.

The letter was released to Radio Free Europe’s Pashto-language Mashaal Radio.

Copyright 2016 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...edec58-9f61-11e6-8864-6f892cad0865_story.html
 
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why we should be upset? they can do what they like. even in 90's, our govt requested them to kick out foreigners like Osama, but they didnt, we asked them to treat women and ancient sites like other Muslim countries, but they didnt, they were never for sale..

they were never our puppets. If they wanted to be puppet of anyone they would chose US or China instead of Pakistan and never let northern scums loot Afghans...
 
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Pakistan should stay away from this mess.
 
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why we should be upset? they can do what they like. even in 90's, our govt requested them to kick out foreigners like Osama, but they didnt, we asked them to treat women and ancient sites like other Muslim countries, but they didnt, they were never for sale..

they were never our puppets. If they wanted to be puppet of anyone they would chose US or China instead of Pakistan and never let northern scums loot Afghans...

Please don't be so naive while you very well know the facts like anyone else in the world. Quetta shura is a reality, almost all of the top Taliban leadership are free to move around inside Pakistan. There are ton's of questions where Pakistan won't be able to provide a convincing answer apart from mere denial. :(

Where did "Mulla Omar" died ?? Who provided him with medical assistance at Aga University Hospital Karach, until his death ??

http://www.dawn.com/news/599867/taliban-chief-mullah-omar-treated-in-pakistan-report

http://www.dawn.com/news/1197114

How was Mullah Mansoor able to secure a legitimate ID and Pakistani passport ?? How was it possible without the knowledge of your establishment ??

http://tribune.com.pk/story/1109001/mullah-mansoor-muhammad-wali-fake-name-genuine-credentials-cnic/
 
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Please don't be so naive while you very well know the facts like anyone else in the world. Quetta shura is a reality, almost all of the top Taliban leadership are free to move around inside Pakistan. There are ton's of questions where Pakistan won't be able to provide a convincing answer apart from mere denial. :(

Where did "Mulla Omar" died ?? Who provided him with medical assistance at Aga University Hospital Karach, until his death ??

http://www.dawn.com/news/599867/taliban-chief-mullah-omar-treated-in-pakistan-report

http://www.dawn.com/news/1197114

How was Mullah Mansoor able to secure a legitimate ID and Pakistani passport ?? How was it possible without the knowledge of your establishment ??

http://tribune.com.pk/story/1109001/mullah-mansoor-muhammad-wali-fake-name-genuine-credentials-cnic/

stupid reply, where did i talk about whether Pakistan support Taliban or not ?
 
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stupid reply, where did i talk about whether Pakistan support Taliban or not ?

Not at all sir, just like the northern alliance are the stooges of U.S and NATO ( as most of the Pakistani's claim) the Taliban are nothing but the stooges/puppets of Pakistan. So talking as if Pakistan don't have control over them is totally wrong. It was actually Pakistan who created the Taliban. :)
 
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Is It really true ?? are we making another enemy ?
More than making enemy this is about Asset going independent. US,GCC created ISIS, they got an area and resources, they went solo. Same appears to be the case with Talibs now. With areas under control in Afghanistan , their dependence on Pakistan is reduced and hence Pakistan's ability to influence them.
 
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By Kathy Gannon | AP October 31
ISLAMABAD — Two senior Taliban figures said that Pakistan issued a stark warning to the militant group, apparently surprised and angered over being excluded from the insurgents’ secret talks with the Afghan government.

They said the Pakistani government warned the Taliban that unless they consult with Islamabad during the negotiations all top Taliban leaders will be forced to leave Pakistan along with their families.

The Islamabad ultimatum was given last week to a three-person Taliban delegation visiting Pakistan from Qatar, where the militant group’s political office is located, said the two Taliban figures. They spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the talks.

Pakistan’s government declined to comment on Monday. It denies Afghan accusations that Islamabad is providing a safe haven to the Taliban.

“We won’t communicate with the Taliban through the media. I have no comment to make,” said Sartaj Aziz, a government adviser on foreign affairs.


The three members of the Taliban delegation are Mullah Salam Hanifi and Mullah Jan Mohammed, both former ministers in the Taliban government, and Maulvi Shahabuddin Dilawar, a former ambassador to Saudi Arabia and Pakistan . They arrived from Qatar two weeks ago, apparently aiming to smooth Pakistan’s ruffled feathers after it was revealed that the Taliban held secret talks with the Afghan government in September and October.

Under pressure from both Washington and Kabul to get the Taliban to the negotiating table, Islamabad has been frustrated by the refusal of Taliban leaders living in Pakistan to participate in talks.

The three Taliban representatives are now in Quetta, the capital of Pakistan’s southwest Baluchistan province, to brief other leaders of the group about their discussions with Pakistani officials, said the two Taliban figures.

Many of the Taliban leaders living in Pakistan are accompanied by their children, who attend school in the country. Several also own property and businesses in Pakistan. Some of them trace their association with Pakistan back three decades. Although the Taliban have carved out some areas in Afghanistan where they can live in relative safety, it would be difficult for them to move there with their families, especially with children, who would have no access to school.

While Pakistan provides health care to wounded Taliban fighters and shelter to many of its leaders, the relationship between the two is often quarrelsome and tainted with mistrust on both sides.

In one of several official Taliban What’s App groups, an app that the insurgent group uses to chat, as well as for issuing claims of responsibility for attacks and sharing pictures, the militants recently accused Pakistan of helping the United States kill Taliban leader Mullah Akhtar Mansour, who died in May in a U.S.-drone strike in Pakistan’s southwestern Baluchistan province.

Several senior Taliban are in jail in Pakistan, either for refusing Pakistan’s demands to open peace talks or for talking to Afghan government officials without involving Pakistan. During their meetings, the Taliban delegation wanted information on group members currently in jail, the two Taliban officials told The Associated Press.


Among those in jail is Mullah Nanai, a former intelligence chief during Mansour’s rule. Nanai was arrested earlier this month after he reportedly refused to take part in the quadrilateral talks involving the United States, China, Pakistan and Afghanistan, said the Taliban officials.

Pakistan also tried to arrest Amir Khan Muttaqi, who was one of the most senior ministers in the Taliban’s government and opposed talks. He was not home at the time of the raid in Quetta, officials said.

Further complicating efforts to forge ahead with talks aimed at ending the war in Afghanistan are the divisions within the Taliban over whether to participate in negotiations. Many of the militant group’s foot soldiers have balked at talks, particularly given their recent battlefield successes. Nanai and Muttaqi are also flatly opposed to Afghanistan peace negotiations, yet the Taliban’s Doha office has held talks.

Earlier this month, the former head of the Taliban’s Doha political office, Tayyab Aga, wrote a letter addressed to the Taliban leader Mullah Haibatullah Akhundzada in which he called for Islamabad to be excluded from talks with the Afghan government and urged all Taliban leaders to leave Pakistan. He also urged the Taliban to drop its name, the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan, a longstanding demand of the Afghan government, and instead refer to themselves as a movement.

The letter was released to Radio Free Europe’s Pashto-language Mashaal Radio.

Copyright 2016 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...edec58-9f61-11e6-8864-6f892cad0865_story.html
first of all its not about Taliban
its about Pakistani interest
Pakistan can stand another Taliban movement with relative ease as we still house not only afghan muhajareen but also their mindset is totally tangled with Pakistan in one wau or other

it has always been about Pakistani interest
f**k Taliban f**K ghani
as long as Pakistan's concerns are not addressed Afghanistan will remain in turmoil
we did not wasted 3 decades and our economy on them to leave them alone
we were, are and will be not one of the major but The Major Stake Holder.

The biggest enemy is Inside Pakistan,people try to do the samething again and again and expect different result.
we perfectly know our enemy
its branches are everywhere but roots still reside to our East
nevertheless as i have always maintained only immediate danger is from Afghanistan and threat from India is far fetched at this instant
 
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first of all its not about Taliban
its about Pakistani interest
Pakistan can stand another Taliban movement with relative ease as we still house not only afghan muhajareen but also their mindset is totally tangled with Pakistan in one wau or other

it has always been about Pakistani interest
f**k Taliban f**K ghani
as long as Pakistan's concerns are not addressed Afghanistan will remain in turmoil
we did not wasted 3 decades and our economy on them to leave them alone
we were, are and will be not one of the major but The Major Stake Holder.


we perfectly know our enemy
its branches are everywhere but roots still reside to our East
nevertheless as i have always maintained only immediate danger is from Afghanistan and threat from India is far fetched at this instant

Manners seems to be in short supply in your post.
As for Talis, and you supporting them, we knew from day one, it is just that Pak think that the world is run by idiots.
They are your project and then you blame when the afghan gove supports TTP, etc, they are just returning the favor.
So my Pakistani friends should be honest for a while and stop throwing the muslim brother card.

But here is a quick question for you, even now that your proxies are sleeping with the enemy, what have you gained from this policies of good Talis, except a pakistan which is radicalized, lost both blood and treasure, while you play with Talis, India your sworn enemy is currently playing with the big boys, with + trillion dollar economy, and you guys are busy with fiddling with Talis, this absurdity should turn your head.

By Kathy Gannon | AP October 31
ISLAMABAD — Two senior Taliban figures said that Pakistan issued a stark warning to the militant group, apparently surprised and angered over being excluded from the insurgents’ secret talks with the Afghan government.

They said the Pakistani government warned the Taliban that unless they consult with Islamabad during the negotiations all top Taliban leaders will be forced to leave Pakistan along with their families.

The Islamabad ultimatum was given last week to a three-person Taliban delegation visiting Pakistan from Qatar, where the militant group’s political office is located, said the two Taliban figures. They spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the talks.

Pakistan’s government declined to comment on Monday. It denies Afghan accusations that Islamabad is providing a safe haven to the Taliban.

“We won’t communicate with the Taliban through the media. I have no comment to make,” said Sartaj Aziz, a government adviser on foreign affairs.


The three members of the Taliban delegation are Mullah Salam Hanifi and Mullah Jan Mohammed, both former ministers in the Taliban government, and Maulvi Shahabuddin Dilawar, a former ambassador to Saudi Arabia and Pakistan . They arrived from Qatar two weeks ago, apparently aiming to smooth Pakistan’s ruffled feathers after it was revealed that the Taliban held secret talks with the Afghan government in September and October.

Under pressure from both Washington and Kabul to get the Taliban to the negotiating table, Islamabad has been frustrated by the refusal of Taliban leaders living in Pakistan to participate in talks.

The three Taliban representatives are now in Quetta, the capital of Pakistan’s southwest Baluchistan province, to brief other leaders of the group about their discussions with Pakistani officials, said the two Taliban figures.

Many of the Taliban leaders living in Pakistan are accompanied by their children, who attend school in the country. Several also own property and businesses in Pakistan. Some of them trace their association with Pakistan back three decades. Although the Taliban have carved out some areas in Afghanistan where they can live in relative safety, it would be difficult for them to move there with their families, especially with children, who would have no access to school.

While Pakistan provides health care to wounded Taliban fighters and shelter to many of its leaders, the relationship between the two is often quarrelsome and tainted with mistrust on both sides.

In one of several official Taliban What’s App groups, an app that the insurgent group uses to chat, as well as for issuing claims of responsibility for attacks and sharing pictures, the militants recently accused Pakistan of helping the United States kill Taliban leader Mullah Akhtar Mansour, who died in May in a U.S.-drone strike in Pakistan’s southwestern Baluchistan province.

Several senior Taliban are in jail in Pakistan, either for refusing Pakistan’s demands to open peace talks or for talking to Afghan government officials without involving Pakistan. During their meetings, the Taliban delegation wanted information on group members currently in jail, the two Taliban officials told The Associated Press.


Among those in jail is Mullah Nanai, a former intelligence chief during Mansour’s rule. Nanai was arrested earlier this month after he reportedly refused to take part in the quadrilateral talks involving the United States, China, Pakistan and Afghanistan, said the Taliban officials.

Pakistan also tried to arrest Amir Khan Muttaqi, who was one of the most senior ministers in the Taliban’s government and opposed talks. He was not home at the time of the raid in Quetta, officials said.

Further complicating efforts to forge ahead with talks aimed at ending the war in Afghanistan are the divisions within the Taliban over whether to participate in negotiations. Many of the militant group’s foot soldiers have balked at talks, particularly given their recent battlefield successes. Nanai and Muttaqi are also flatly opposed to Afghanistan peace negotiations, yet the Taliban’s Doha office has held talks.

Earlier this month, the former head of the Taliban’s Doha political office, Tayyab Aga, wrote a letter addressed to the Taliban leader Mullah Haibatullah Akhundzada in which he called for Islamabad to be excluded from talks with the Afghan government and urged all Taliban leaders to leave Pakistan. He also urged the Taliban to drop its name, the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan, a longstanding demand of the Afghan government, and instead refer to themselves as a movement.

The letter was released to Radio Free Europe’s Pashto-language Mashaal Radio.

Copyright 2016 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...edec58-9f61-11e6-8864-6f892cad0865_story.html

Seriously what are the folks in Pak smoking? So what has all this polices of Good Talis brought to Pakistan except loss in blood, treasure and radicalized society? The bar for pakistan should not be Afghanistan which is emerging from an imposed war but the bar should be your sworn enemy India which is now in the big boys league, with international ambitious and + trillion dollar economy and all you guys have to show is a supposed control over a bunch of thugs and monkeys who also seem to be out of control and sleeping with the enemy?

Does anyone see the mammoth absurdity in this?
 
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Manners seems to be in short supply in your post.
As for Talis, and you supporting them, we knew from day one, it is just that Pak think that the world is run by idiots.
They are your project and then you blame when the afghan gove supports TTP, etc, they are just returning the favor.
So my Pakistani friends should be honest for a while and stop throwing the muslim brother card.

But here is a quick question for you, even now that your proxies are sleeping with the enemy, what have you gained from this policies of good Talis, except a pakistan which is radicalized, lost both blood and treasure, while you play with Talis, India your sworn enemy is currently playing with the big boys, with + trillion dollar economy, and you guys are busy with fiddling with Talis, this absurdity should turn your head.
we are actually busy with Afghans
main thing is border
we will wait for it to work since u r unaware of some facts
let me tell you this you need to protect Afghanistan we dont
its your responsibility not ours
you invited us we did not come
u were licking our feet against communists
we need to survive but seems like Afghanistan is coming with a suicide vest towards pakistan
but we fear not because Afghans will move in circles if they did not do what they should have a long time ago
no one wants to be brothers with you not anymore
you give up TTP we give up Talibs
is that hard for you
it seems

just for you know
history starts from back, way back
not from 1996

Seriously what are the folks in Pak smoking?
what afghans refugees brought with them
they are the ones radicalized pakistan
The bar for pakistan should not be Afghanistan which is emerging from an imposed war but the bar should be your sworn enemy India which is now in the big boys league
the bar for Pakistan must be Afghanistan as when our western border will be secured we will be able to move towards next problem
its helping Afghans which brought us the turmoil
nevertheless a game of interest and should be played as such
as long as you keep hurting us we will keep an eye
 
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Ohh no!!! means those "Good" terrorists have become "Bad" one, since now they don't follow Pakistani agenda anymore.
God may curse these "Bad" terrorists unless they turn Good to suit latter's foreign policy objectives.
How do these Bad Taliban have come Good for USA ,?They always wanted Pakistan to eliminate them ,why do USA is holding a secretive talk in Qatar with these Bad Talibans of near past,so bads are coming good for USA !and Indians are rushing like puddle to support uncle Sam's new narrative, though I hate Khawaja Asif but his words fit here perfectly "kuch.......hoti hy kuch.....hoti hy.
 
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sleeping with the enemy?
whose enemy yours or ours?
last time we checked they were not the same

Manners seems to be in short supply in your post
i re-read ur post to understand ur opinion better
and came across these words
i mean an afghan is talking about manners???
things have actually changed, atleast in Kabul
 
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