Upgraded Arjun Mark-II tanks undergoing trial at Pokhran

[axisofevil]

India needs a 1400 HP engine, light weight Composite cheap super alloy for armors, turret and barrel.
Arjun will always be a failed project until we can bring down weight to 50 Tons and increase the indigenous components to 70+%

Sure fake India....embarrassed to be yourself...

 

[Dazzler]

ya sure then why are pakisnies so worried about arjun in the first place .... forget arjun and T90 you al khalid cant take fight head on with owr upgraded T72s and your pak fauj knows it very well and thats the main reason inspite of having super duper al khalids they are putting all there resources in tactical nuces and its diliverry system rather then producing more al khalids ..... ky samjhe


now thats a nice start ..... goood now instead of thinking too much about india and its inferior millitarry machine worry about how to make pakistan "jannat ki tasweer" on earth

you are just a waste of time mate, so better go troll elsewhere and try not to quote again unless you have some facts to refute what i have maintained about indian mbt sad story.

When a PAKISTANI is telling you TO DROP THE ARJUN TANK and BUY THE T90

ask your self WHY WHY WHY is YOUR ADVERSARY SAYING THIS

I TELL YOU WHY

THE BLOODY ARJUNS LOOK MENANCING

THEY MAKE PAKISTANI TANKS LOOK PUNEY AND INFERIOR

THATS WHY THEY ARE DESPERATE FOR ARJUN NOT TO GO BEYOND 248 TANKS

The reality is..

* so all you want in your frontline tank is to look menacing instead of performance? a head start indeed

* pakistani tools work best in the battlefield where your most mbts fail miserably

* Your army is not interested in a so called mahaan "indigenous" imported shot trap.

 

[Indian Patriot]

Again same amateur replies with plenty of chest thumping but little to no substance. I guess reality check is is long overshadowed by Bollywood fantasies in the neighboring country.

Arjun was, is and will be a disaster in the making and the Indian army know this. The recent "indirect" interest in T-14 is yet another testament to the fact.

Its a dead meat in desert mates, calling it Ferrari or McLaren or Bugatti veron or SSC Ultimate will not change this fact.

It's a good thing you are a Pakistani. If an Indian had said what you said just now he would have been tagged a Pakistani by DRDO cheer leaders in PDF.

 

[Jat Boy]

Which pakistani tank in which battle Dazzler.

 

[sharma1111]

It's a good thing you are a Pakistani. If an Indian had said what you said just now he would have been tagged a Pakistani by DRDO cheer leaders in PDF.

I have been reading many discussion on this forum. I am critical of HAL, OFB but I still believe that DRDO has been performing at par.
You were claiming the need for QSRAM with <15 KM range.
QSRAM like trishul, Astra land version will have maneuverability of >40 G while Akash can barely turn with 15 G.
SPYDER have maneuverability of 80-100 G. That's why they were able to make Derby and barak8 which are among top most agile BVRAAM, SAM

Many of your statements on Indian companies manufacturing equipment's were facade. You dont even realize that DRDO is primal source of IP and license for all these private sector manufacturing in India
Rather than blame HAL, Ordinance factory who have been lackadaisical in adopting modern manufacturing capability and knowledge from the IP provided by DRDO; you continue to malign DRDO.

In a decade or so, as India allows more private sector participation, we can see faster agile driven development.

India needs a 1400 HP engine, light weight Composite cheap super alloy for armors, turret and barrel.
Arjun will always be a failed project until we can bring down weight to 50 Tons and increase the indigenous components to 70+%

 

[Bharat_Bhakt]

I have been reading many discussion on this forum. I am critical of HAL, OFB but I still believe that DRDO has been performing at par.
You were claiming the need for QSRAM with <15 KM range.
QSRAM like trishul, Astra land version will have maneuverability of >40 G while Akash can barely turn with 15 G.
SPYDER have maneuverability of 80-100 G. That's why they were able to make Derby and barak8 which are among top most agile BVRAAM, SAM

Many of your statements on Indian companies manufacturing equipment's were facade. You dont even realize that DRDO is primal source of IP and license for all these private sector manufacturing in India
Rather than blame HAL, Ordinance factory who have been lackadaisical in adopting modern manufacturing capability and knowledge from the IP provided by DRDO; you continue to malign DRDO.

In a decade or so, as India allows more private sector participation, we can see faster agile driven development.

India needs a 1400 HP engine, light weight Composite cheap super alloy for armors, turret and barrel.
Arjun will always be a failed project until we can bring down weight to 50 Tons and increase the indigenous components to 70+%

all of which cant be achieved in required time frame without active participation of indian army and private industry participation .

 

[knight11]

India needs a 1400 HP engine, light weight Composite cheap super alloy for armors, turret and barrel.
Arjun will always be a failed project until we can bring down weight to 50 Tons and increase the indigenous components to 70+%

How did you make up you mind that Indian Arjun which is a heavy tank should be bring down to 50 tons. A heavy tank e.g Leapord, Abraham, Merkava are all 60 tons wt category tank. If your requirement of heavy armour, and firepower and 4 man crew, the wt (according to Indian Army ASR)would be 60+ tons period. However, use of better metallugy, 1500HP engine will boost the Arjun Capability.

You were claiming the need for QSRAM with <15 KM range.
QSRAM like trishul, Astra land version will have maneuverability of >40 G while Akash can barely turn with 15 G.
SPYDER have maneuverability of 80-100 G. That's why they were able to make Derby and barak8 which are among top most agile BVRAAM, SAM

Where you get the figure of 80-100 G, pls provide me the source.
Difference of Astra and Spyder is not the G-level, but the Seeker which is Active as compare to Radar Guided Passive, and the SBR (Software based Radar), and the algorithm, in which israel have a good lead. Trishul SAM is 2 generation old design and technology, and now need to be dumped.

 

[HariPrasad]

Yes war on terror on our soil and you also fight it against Maoists in your country so wake up

there are differences.

The total innocent people killed by Maoist till date are are not equal to some single incident of terror in pakistan.
The terrorist in pakistan are the brain child of PA who were created to work as proxies.
The comparison is useless and futile.

It's a good thing you are a Pakistani. If an Indian had said what you said just now he would have been tagged a Pakistani by DRDO cheer leaders in PDF.

You have always done that but we have not said you a Pakistani.

 

[knight11]

The reality is..

* so all you want in your frontline tank is to look menacing instead of performance? a head start indeed

* pakistani tools work best in the battlefield where your most mbts fail miserably

* Your army is not interested in a so called mahaan "indigenous" imported shot trap.

Janab
1. What Performance it is Lagging.

2. Pakistani tool or tank work best in the battlefield --- Which tool (MBT-2000) and what battlefield (Against Taliban in Fata) ?

3. Are you spoke person of Indian Army to claim that IA is not interested in Indigenous tank.

 

[Bharat_Bhakt]

Janab
1. What Performance it is Lagging.

2. Pakistani tool or tank work best in the battlefield --- Which tool (MBT-2000) and what battlefield (Against Taliban in Fata) ?

3. Are you spoke person of Indian Army to claim that IA is not interested in Indigenous tank.

Arjun MK2 MBT isnt even in full strength/numbers and they seem to be already terrified

 

[sharma1111]

How did you make up you mind that Indian Arjun which is a heavy tank should be bring down to 50 tons. A heavy tank e.g Leapord, Abraham, Merkava are all 60 tons wt category tank. If your requirement of heavy armour, and firepower and 4 man crew, the wt (according to Indian Army ASR)would be 60+ tons period. However, use of better metallugy, 1500HP engine will boost the Arjun Capability.

Indian tanks will have to run in desert, mud around country side in any escalation with Pak. An Indian road and old bridge can barely take load of 50 tons.
Germany have quality infrastructure. We need tank in range of 40-50 tons

Where you get the figure of 80-100 G, pls provide me the source.

It's all comparative. A-Darter is built by Denel dynamics by improving R-Darter which was itself
built with some israeli assistance from Python-4 program.
A-Darter claims to have agility up to 100 G.
Astra official spec says 30 G.

The A-Darter has four major sections: guidance section, warhead, control, and rocket motor.[20] It uses a streamlined design with low aerodynamic drag in a wingless airframe, ensuring ranges beyond those of traditional short-range missiles.[22] It is fitted with a thrust vectoring control (TVC) system[23] to provide agility up to 100 times the force of gravity (100G).[15]

Check the citation no 15. I cant post any link here

Difference of Astra and Spyder is not the G-level, but the Seeker which is Active as compare to Radar Guided Passive, and the SBR (Software based Radar), and the algorithm, in which israel have a good lead. Trishul SAM is 2 generation old design and technology, and now need to be dumped.

Sypder have fins near the nose which make it more manoeuvrable.
Astra have trapazoidal wing/fins near read mid.
The fins/wings are movable. They are supposed to control the missile.

Leave aside the seeker. Astra without seeker using Command guidance are still no match for Spyder since we lack the software, algorithm expertise as compared to Israel. Even if we put the fins near nose, we dont have the expertise in SW to loop them and juggle with it.

Eventually we need to make those 2/3rd gen basic QRSAM work as They form the base
1. Thrust vector & single rocket engine propulsion
2. Guidance & control system with fins, wings, jet vanes

Israel made these work before they came up with dual pulse rocket engine, advanced control system using seeker tech

 

[surya kiran]

* pakistani tools work best in the battlefield where your most mbts fail miserably

Without getting into how 'best' Pakistani tools are. So with such 'best' battlefield tools, you still do not manage to achieve any military objective. So only conclusion, tools when handled by fools results in PantSlam and getting Ghazwad behind.

 

[Dazzler]

The world is flat, and you guys keep beating the same bush.

 

[Indian Patriot]

You were claiming the need for QSRAM with <15 KM range.

I believe you mean SHORAD which stands for SHOrt Range Air Defense.

You dont even realize that DRDO is primal source of IP and license for all these private sector manufacturing in India

You don't realise that DRDO cannot survive without TOT.

You have always done that but we have not said you a Pakistani.

Which world are you living in?

 

[Maarkhoor]

India is the only nation in this world which producing upgraded versions on the basis of lacks in older version without induction otherwise in the whole world countries upgrading only proven platforms.