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Up to 80 percent of Afghan Taliban not hardcore: UK
ISLAMABAD
Wed Feb 3, 2010 6:44am EST
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British Armed Forces Minister Bill Rammell (L) talks with a soldier from the 1st Battalion The Royal Welsh during a training exercise, ahead of their deployment to Afghanistan, at Dale Barracks in Chester, northern England in this December 3, 2009 file photo. REUTERS/Phil Noble

ISLAMABAD (Reuters) - There is no room for compromise with hardcore Afghan Taliban but the Afghan government and its allies hope to lure away many of the up to 80 percent of Taliban who joined for economic reasons, a British minister said.

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At a conference in London last week, Afghanistan's allies backed its efforts to start talks with the Taliban and donors promised hundreds of millions of dollars for a fund to pay fighters to lay down their arms.

The luring away of militant foot-soldiers is referred to as reintegration while efforts to make peace with Taliban leaders is being called reconciliation.

Many analysts doubt that either the reintegration or reconciliation drive will have much success, at least as long as the Taliban believe they are winning the war.

British armed forces minister Bill Rammell told reporters in Islamabad on Wednesday "reconciliation" suggested a setting out of positions and a meeting in the middle.

"On the fundamentals, i.e. violence, direct assault, terrorist attacks on innocent civilians, on our forces, there is no room for compromise, there is no middle way," Rammell said.

"It's got to be about a rejection of that violent approach and that's why I talk about reintegration and not reconciliation."

He did not expect Taliban chief Mullah Mohammad Omar to give up his fight.

"The focus of our reintegration efforts are those members of the Taliban who are prepared to renounce violence ... I don't believe Mullah Omar is in that position."

But he said only about 20 percent of the Taliban were "hardcore, ideological jihadists," while 80 percent had joined for various reasons, largely as a means of making a living.

U.S. intelligence and military chiefs offered on Tuesday mixed assessments of the Afghan war, acknowledging the Taliban's reach is expanding but pointing to signs of progress as more U.S. soldiers arrive.

Meanwhile, Western countries, eyeing an exit from an eight-year-old war that they no longer believe has a purely military solution, are more amenable than ever to a role for rehabilitated Taliban.

Similar programmes in the past have lured away only a trickle of fighters.

But Rammell, meeting defense officials in Pakistan after visiting Afghanistan, said conditions were different with a much bigger foreign force in Afghanistan wearing down the insurgents.

"If you look at the military pressure, I think there are a lot of indications that the Taliban are coming under pressure. Their own confidence, their own morale is being dented by the impact of coalition and Afghan force operations," he said.

Britain, with 9,500 soldiers in Afghanistan, is the second-biggest contributor of troops after the United States.

(Reporting by Robert Birsel; Editing by Sugita Katyal)
 
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^^ absolutely right.

And i don't think they will ever find out.
 
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I think the Americans lack the general experience of dealing with Mullahs on a day to day basis. While Mullahs are not hardcore terrorists, but in general they interfere within everybody's general human rights, their personal beliefs, and propagate the removal of freedoms such as arts, tele arts, fashion, music.

Naturally, its true for every human being, that it takes a lot to cause violence. Most people are incapable of harming others despite what they may believe. That doesn't mean they are pleasant people to make deals with.
 
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I think the Americans lack the general experience of dealing with Mullahs on a day to day basis. While Mullahs are not hardcore terrorists, but in general they interfere within everybody's general human rights, their personal beliefs, and propagate the removal of freedoms such as arts, tele arts, fashion, music.

Naturally, its true for every human being, that it takes a lot to cause violence. Most people are incapable of harming others despite what they may believe. That doesn't mean they are pleasant people to make deals with.

I think both waring faction can resolve their differences through dialogue , most power full weapon in the world is love for humanity , Islam is religion of love and peace .

Islam is only religion which differentiate between Halal and Haram , western power should understand the basic needs of muslim required for servival of their faith and practice of fundamentals of Islam(Haj,Zakat,Salah,Ramadan) Islam dont allow muslims to interfere in non muslims life style and vice versa.
 
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Since when is a taliban coming in differet hardcore levels? :sick: or softcore:rofl:

Isn't a criminal criminal - regardless of if he kills 100 people or 10 people ?
 
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Since when is a taliban coming in differet hardcore levels? :sick: or softcore:rofl:

Isn't a criminal criminal - regardless of if he kills 100 people or 10 people ?

Freedom fighter can not be graded as criminal ? US get independence from UK , Pakistan and India from UK .

Afghan Talaban wanted to liberate their country from US occupation , what is wrong in it?
 
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Freedom fighter can not be graded as criminal ? US get independence from UK , Pakistan and India from UK .

Afghan Talaban wanted to liberate their country from US occupation , what is wrong in it?

Talibans are not freedom fighters they are killers - who harboured terrorist -there is a difference... even when war will end they will once again start fighting amoung each other just like after end of russian war

Freedom fighters fight to give freedom to their families and friends , talibans are fighting to rule ...and for power, you don't see Kashmiri blowing up their own children's schools or attacking their own people, Palestinians or Kashmirsi they have limited resources but they try to build their commuities from straws ... their struggle is for independence , for basic human rights

Taliabans are doing it to once again tell people what to do how to live their lives - or get beaten up on street and blowing up schools, and they take away people's human rights

Talibans had the country , they choose to invite Mr Ladin , and his coulleges and refused dialog.

Talib's are gangsters - gangsters who happen to be also sheap hearders

I don't feel Talibans can be catagorized at Freedom fighters due to their evil character
and history of attacking civilians

And they also are anti Pakistan Army , and have attacked pakistani citizens with their ambitions so they are pretty much ... I don't need to say it what I really want to say

Talibans have nothing related to any faith
a) They force people do to things against their wishes
b) They blow up heritage sites for other cultures
c) They beat up people on streets
d) They blow up schools and beat women who try to teach to women
e) And they have declared war on Pakistan
f) They assasinated Pakistan's prime Minister
g) They also played a role in various attempts to assasinate Musharif Sahib
 
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Angoor Khate hain Angoor Khate hain... What you cannot kill is your best friend :D The Kindom of UK at its best! :bunny:
 
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Talibans are not freedom fighters they are killers - who harboured terrorist -there is a difference... even when war will end they will once again start fighting amoung each other just like after end of russian war

Freedom fighters fight to give freedom to their families and friends , talibans are fighting to rule ...and for power, you don't see Kashmiri blowing up their own children's schools or attacking their own people, Palestinians or Kashmirsi they have limited resources but they try to build their commuities from straws ... their struggle is for independence , for basic human rights

Taliabans are doing it to once again tell people what to do how to live their lives - or get beaten up on street and blowing up schools, and they take away people's human rights

Talibans had the country , they choose to invite Mr Ladin , and his coulleges and refused dialog.

Talib's are gangsters - gangsters who happen to be also sheap hearders

I don't feel Talibans can be catagorized at Freedom fighters due to their evil character
and history of attacking civilians

And they also are anti Pakistan Army , and have attacked pakistani citizens with their ambitions so they are pretty much ... I don't need to say it what I really want to say

Talibans have nothing related to any faith
a) They force people do to things against their wishes
b) They blow up heritage sites for other cultures
c) They beat up people on streets
d) They blow up schools and beat women who try to teach to women
e) And they have declared war on Pakistan
f) They assasinated Pakistan's prime Minister
g) They also played a role in various attempts to assasinate Musharif Sahib

Post of the month, simply brilliant sir I salute you. :pakistan:
 
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Talibans are not freedom fighters they are killers - who harboured terrorist -there is a difference... even when war will end they will once again start fighting amoung each other just like after end of russian war

Freedom fighters fight to give freedom to their families and friends , talibans are fighting to rule ...and for power, you don't see Kashmiri blowing up their own children's schools or attacking their own people, Palestinians or Kashmirsi they have limited resources but they try to build their commuities from straws ... their struggle is for independence , for basic human rights

Taliabans are doing it to once again tell people what to do how to live their lives - or get beaten up on street and blowing up schools, and they take away people's human rights

Talibans had the country , they choose to invite Mr Ladin , and his coulleges and refused dialog.

Talib's are gangsters - gangsters who happen to be also sheap hearders

I don't feel Talibans can be catagorized at Freedom fighters due to their evil character
and history of attacking civilians

And they also are anti Pakistan Army , and have attacked pakistani citizens with their ambitions so they are pretty much ... I don't need to say it what I really want to say

Talibans have nothing related to any faith
a) They force people do to things against their wishes
b) They blow up heritage sites for other cultures
c) They beat up people on streets
d) They blow up schools and beat women who try to teach to women
e) And they have declared war on Pakistan
f) They assasinated Pakistan's prime Minister
g) They also played a role in various attempts to assasinate Musharif Sahib

You forget one thing that OBL was trained by CIA , both belong to different school of thaught ,Talaban never attacked any coutry during their five years rule.

You are mixing TTP with AT , i am also extremely against TTP but AT never targeted Pakistani citizens or Army.

Please check the records , they were agreed to hand over OBL if US provide them evidence of OBL involvement in 9/11 but US adopted the war , so they had no option to fight back .

New US Obama regime recognised their mistakes that is reason wanted to resolve the conflict through dialogue.


Thanks:pakistan:
 
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You are mixing TTP with AT , i am also extremely against TTP but AT never targeted Pakistani citizens or Army.

Double standard thinking. If you dont want something bad for you, then dont want it for your muslim brother. It is also not surprising that the Taliban are not attacking PA.
 
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Double standard thinking. If you dont want something bad for you, then dont want it for your muslim brother. It is also not surprising that the Taliban are not attacking PA.

You can not reached at the solution Afghan conflict untill you know difference between Al Qaeda (Salafi) and Afghan Talaban (Hanafi) school of thoughts.Both have diffeerent agenda and objective .Please dont mix them with each other

TTP neither follow Salafi nor Hanafi ,they are just paid street thugs
 
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You can not reached at the solution Afghan conflict untill you know difference between Al Qaeda (Salafi) and Afghan Talaban (Hanafi) school of thoughts.Both have diffeerent agenda and objective .Please dont mix them with each other

TTP neither follow Salafi nor Hanafi ,they are just paid street thugs

And when did I talk about Salafi or Hanafi, who cares about it? I am talking about crimes. Hope you know it.
 
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