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I respect your opinion and feeling and all that, but you are mistaken if you think that personal interests of leaders of Pakistan are weakness of ordinary Pakistani ......... No none of them is a better Muslim than us Pakistanis, nor Iranians not Saudis, unless they exceed us in good deeds. Just because they are rich or they are that doesn't warrant that we are second class Muslims. It is difficult for me to describe this because of that gap of understanding the situation as a Muslim and looking at it as a non Muslim. None of them has achieved what we have achieved despite all that corrupt leaders and regimes, its just matter of time and day when Pakistan would be run by people who deserve to rule it and not by self serving thugs.

I appreciate how you think. But do you believe many think like that in Pakistan? What section, percentage? In this thread itself we have seen much to the contrary. As well on other threads which become sectarian and ugly pretty quickly. And you guys do it in front of us. We (Indians) have obvious regional and caste faultlines as well. But I believe we control it much better here. Maybe we are better at controlling our emotions and passions and have a better understanding of time and place. Maybe our faultlines do not run as deep. I'll accept that the two of us would have different opinions on that.

But what I do agree with, and what I too strongly believe, is that this whole Muslim ME thing is an old war. Older than Islam itself. And it is unfinished. The whole sectarian bit is a hauwwa. But it is my belief, that my country and yours (probably yours a lot more than mine, but mine has other tempering influences so we'll probably never know) have largely bought into this hauwwa, enthusiastic pawns, not understanding the older racial origins. Origins we have zero part of or in. Would have been hilarious if it weren't so deadly.
 
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I appreciate how you think. But do you believe many think like that in Pakistan? What section, percentage? In this thread itself we have seen much to the contrary. As well on other threads which become sectarian and ugly pretty quickly. And you guys do it in front of us. We (Indians) have obvious regional and caste faultlines as well. But I believe we control it much better here. Maybe we are better at controlling our emotions and passions and have a better understanding of time and place. Maybe our faultlines do not run as deep. I'll accept that the two of us would have different opinions on that.

I agree the internet version of you when looked at seems more united than internet version of mine.

Overall Pakistani society is blessed with insensitivity ........... nothing makes them change the ways they make decisions.

But what I do agree with, and what I too strongly believe, is that this whole Muslim ME thing is an old war. Older than Islam itself. And it is unfinished. The whole sectarian bit is a hauwwa.

Yes its an old war, Islam's entry helped stabilise the region (you may disagree) and it was golden time when they defeated two super powers at nearly the same time, but also made them a common enemy. However, the Muslim leader (the Caliph) of that time initially had no intention of going into Iran ....... but never ending insurgencies and disruptions made him change his mind, I have read an account where its said that how the Caliph desired there was a wall of water and fire that would keep persians on their side and Muslims on this side ...... but things had to change according to will of the Creator.
 
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Pakistan should move artillery and regular troops at Iranian border...Iranians are pretty messed up right now...They can't afford to open another front against Pakistan...

Pakistan and Turkiye should cooperate with each other against Iran..
bullshit. Pakistan is also "messed up" too and preoccupied with India. Pakistan should pls do a better job of blocking terrorists within her country.
 
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I agree the internet version of you when looked at seems more united than internet version of mine.

Overall Pakistani society is blessed with insensitivity ........... nothing makes them change the ways they make decisions.



Yes its an old war, Islam's entry helped stabilise the region (you may disagree) and it was golden time when they defeated two super powers at nearly the same time, but also made them a common enemy. However, the Muslim leader (the Caliph) of that time initially had no intention of going into Iran ....... but never ending insurgencies and disruptions made him change his mind, I have read an account where its said that how the Caliph desired there was a wall of water and fire that would keep persians on their side and Muslims on this side ...... but things had to change according to will of the Creator.

Going into the theater bro.

And that ladies and gentlemen is how to have a normal intellectually stimulating and civil and above all honest conversation between ancestral blood enemies.

Kuch seekho ...
 
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Going into the theater bro.

And that ladies and gentlemen is how to have a normal intellectually stimulating and civil and above all honest conversation between ancestral blood enemies.

Kuch seekho ...

Bro you could have inserted the imaginary scenarios of "how we would not hold back to kill each other". Film thori ziada rangeen ho jati :p:
 
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Going into the theater bro.

And that ladies and gentlemen is how to have a normal intellectually stimulating and civil and above all honest conversation between ancestral blood enemies.

Kuch seekho ...

Bro you could have inserted the imaginary scenarios of "how we would not hold back to kill each other". Film thori ziada rangeen ho jati :p:

RESPECT !!!
 
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Never. As a Punjabi I take great offence to your statement. Nobody knows the nature of the Indians better than us Punjabis. They can never be your 'friends'.

I agree , you know more .
, as a whole muslims would be more generous as their religion focuses so much on treating people nicely .

You may agree to it or may dismiss it outright, but it PAINS me to see Pakistan being treated like this. Because I recognize very strong RACIAL overtones to this blatant lack of respect. And it outrages me, because then automatically paasa palat jata ha, and I then subconsciously come over to your side and I am infuriated. By Pashtuns who look down on you. By Iranians who look down on you. By ALL Arabs who look down on you, and especially the Saudis.

I recognize that they look down on us Indians racially even worse. But that bit amuses me. Coz their racial dislike is tinged strongly with the recognition of our size and wealth and power and the fact that we can whip their backsides any time they choose to ask for a fight. That grudging fear is more than sufficient.

I WANT you guys to earn that for yourselves. To TAKE that as what is rightfully yours. I do not understand why a country of 200 million, a nuclear power, a powerful army, and a huge educated middle class, should be subservient to the whims and fancies of primitive Arabs and psychotic Mullas? Why do you give them that importance, that upper hand? Why are you guys still not developed that sense of pride and nationhood and see yourselves as second class Muslims to the so called better/older/purer Muslims?

Do you get where I am coming from as an Indian more than a non-Muslim? Whatever our origins, we two are Indians and Pakistanis. Dare anyone look down on us.
It's because some pakistani muslims in past needed support of big muslims . At creation , we needed world's support and our muslim brothers did support us especially saudia on kashmir and economic means . Saudia has always been our good suporting brother .

We pakistanis love our religion islam and our prophet muhammad saww so much and we respect his place and country also but what we misunderstood here is that not all arabs are nicer and infallible like our prophet muhammad saww, I wouldn't blame arabs for this as they've all rights to be developed and look forward to modern world .
Even when an Arab comes to pakistan smaller cities , people would move forward and will greet him and will invite him to 'daawat' . We respect arabs so much and it's a nice thing .

What if some arabs are racists to us , every country and nation has flaws. I'll always respect all arabs and muslims .
We should think less about them and concentrate on our country's progress .
And believe that islam is for all , the only thing that makes a muslim superior to another muslim is ' taqwa ' , , those who believe in racism are either stupid or still immature .
Prophet muhammad saww was everyone's prophet rather than depending on arabs we should live our lives just like prophet muhammad saww wanted .

Prophet muhammad saww would love you no matter you're arab or not .
 
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Just looking at it purely academically bro. On one side you have a nation of 70 odd million, of which about 60% (about 42-45 odd million) come from bloodlines of some of the most fearsome ancient warrior races.

Then you have a nation of 200 million, which is made up of about 140 odd million who come from bloodlines which have consistently been defated militarily by every alien invading warrior race which then left part of its generic traces behind.

The remaining 60 odd million come essentially from the same stock as those you are currently fighting as a nation state. Namely the Afghans and the Iranians. So there I believe there would be a decent fight.

Just my humble opinion as an interested bystander. :)
LOOL. very interesting post/opinions. do u have any documentation to supportthis? i am curious to learn more.

Yes...We blocked terrorists....especially this one...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kulbhushan_Yadav
u only b locked 1 terrorist? thats EXACTLY the problem. you have thousands of them to destroy(guess u guys destryed them some in Zarb e azm operation)and you are proud of only 1? SMFH.u guys have terrorist factories. you can say you are not, but thats the truth
 
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u only b locked 1 terrorist? thats EXACTLY the problem. you have thousands of them to destroy(guess u guys destryed them some in Zarb e azm operation)and you are proud of only 1? SMFH.u guys have terrorist factories. you can say you are not, but thats the truth

Pakistanis shouldn't have had handed over rigi brothers to you...Who ran away from Iran due to your oppression.

Pakistanis are the only one probably who successfully killed Talibans....Resulting in better security all over country.

Lol...we have terrorist factories and world sanctioned Iran for that..??? :lol:

The reason I shared that link was to show you the mirror....as Iran is sending Indian agents from its border into Pakistan...not vice versa...
 
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Bro can I be very honest with you? I always am, so its a bit of a rhetorical question.

One side of me, a major part of course, as an Indian, is happy that Pakistan is being attacked by Muslim countries, Shia and Sunni alike, and save for Turkey (itself descending into a sectarian fundamentalist hellhole), none of the other major Muslim nations really like or support you.

They use you. Manipulate you. And take you for granted. Plain and simple. They recognize your size. Your obvious military capabilities. But they do not RESPECT those. They see those as pure opportunities for their own games. Games which are played way above your heads bu the big boys of the Muslim world.

Now the other part of me, a smaller part, but a part I usually do not admit to, openly on forums at least, is the racial part.

You may agree to it or may dismiss it outright, but it PAINS me to see Pakistan being treated like this. Because I recognize very strong RACIAL overtones to this blatant lack of respect. And it outrages me, because then automatically paasa palat jata ha, and I then subconsciously come over to your side and I am infuriated. By Pashtuns who look down on you. By Iranians who look down on you. By ALL Arabs who look down on you, and especially the Saudis.

I recognize that they look down on us Indians racially even worse. But that bit amuses me. Coz their racial dislike is tinged strongly with the recognition of our size and wealth and power and the fact that we can whip their backsides any time they choose to ask for a fight. That grudging fear is more than sufficient.

I WANT you guys to earn that for yourselves. To TAKE that as what is rightfully yours. I do not understand why a country of 200 million, a nuclear power, a powerful army, and a huge educated middle class, should be subservient to the whims and fancies of primitive Arabs and psychotic Mullas? Why do you give them that importance, that upper hand? Why are you guys still not developed that sense of pride and nationhood and see yourselves as second class Muslims to the so called better/older/purer Muslims?

Do you get where I am coming from as an Indian more than a non-Muslim? Whatever our origins, we two are Indians and Pakistanis. Dare anyone look down on us.

Trust your inner instinct my friend...We do not have to always go by emotions to see the downside of Pakistan...Being good to others gets dividends in a positive way in long run...
Over all, India and Pakistan are treated with disrespect wherever they go out of subcontinent...No one can deny that...Indian understand it but we prioritize to get our own things done. But for Pakistan, they are heavily influenced with a vibe that Islamic nations respect them for their status or nuclear power...Sooner, they will realize the truth one day or the other....
 
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Lmao . Likeness is different and bragging is different .
Anyway, love iranians , kiss iranians , touch their foot , massage their heads but there's no need to talk about war between both and expect us pakistanis to act like a slave like you .

You sound like a third evil party who want two nations to go to war when you already the know consequences of this deadly war .
Turks n Iranians are part of our clan . Any misadventure should be paid in kind but why such hate ? :what:
 
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Turks n Iranians are part of our clan . Any misadventure should be paid in kind but why such hate ? :what:

I've no hate for iranians and Turks .I love turks .

But I get offended with iranian's racism . They treat us like shit .

If they're part of our clan so they should act like one , no need to act superior .
 
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