UNDP refutes Imran’s claim

[Dubious]

Thats exactly what I said, the system slows down or even halts when faced with excessive burden. University sites usually face similar situation during the first hours or result announcements.....

And so it shouldnt be questioned?

 

[SBD-3]

And so it shouldnt be questioned?

Questioned with what intention? and there is a difference in question and an allegation....

 

[Marshmallow]

And so it shouldnt be questioned?

ab kia kiya hey IK ney?

 

[Dubious]

Questioned with what intention? and there is a difference in question and an allegation....

Well IF you havent forgotten the ability of our media then may I remind you the rubbish during Karachi airport attacks that surfaced from our media!

ab kia kiya hey IK ney?

United Nations Development Programme (UNDP) Country Director Marc-Andre Franche has contradicted the allegations of PTI chief Imran Khan regarding the interruption in its election project on May 11, 2013 polling day, saying that none of its consultants were ejected from the offices of the Returning Officers.
The UNDP Country Director also insisted that none of its computers were shut down after the victory speech of Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) chief Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif as alleged by Khan on May 11.

 

[SBD-3]

Well IF you havent forgotten the ability of our media then may I remind you the rubbish during Karachi airport attacks that surfaced from our media!.

And the point being?

 

[I FLY HIGH]

for imran, fakhruddin G ibrahim is chor, all election commision is chore, CJP is chore, all session judges are chore, all supreme court is chore, Geo is chore, NAjam sethi whom he approved as a care taker is a chore, punjab govt is chore, some army brigadiers were chor and all of them did rigging against him , otherwise he would have clean sweapt the elections. Only khan is right all others are corrupt .

 

[Dubious]

And the point being?

My money is on mirch masalah in media...Not denying IK questioned...Def not denying how he questioned but all that added with mirch masalah and we get happy PMLN fans

for imran, fakhruddin G ibrahim is chor, all election commision is chore, CJP is chore, all session judges are chore, all supreme court is chore, Geo is chore, NAjam sethi whom he approved as a care taker is a chore, punjab govt is chore, some army brigadiers were chor and all of them did rigging against him , otherwise he would have clean sweapt the elections. Only khan is right all others are corrupt .

Would you vouch for any of the others? Its easy to criticize your opponent but seriously no one would vouch for any of those you listed....

 

[SBD-3]

My money is on mirch masalah in media...Not denying IK questioned...Def not denying how he questioned but all that added with mirch masalah and we get happy PMLN fans

All the newspieces say that UNDP refuted the claims of Imran and then the details of events....Whats the mirch masala in that?

 

[Dubious]

All the newspieces say that UNDP refuted the claims of Imran and then the details of events....Whats the mirch masala in that?

Words...I am not denying that IK said something I am just asking a look into the exact scenario...

The problem I see is mostly with what and how the media passes the msg...

And I dont understand why did question become accusing! From my observation: Is there a problem with questioning that if you question an authority or an institute and it denies what you asked...somehow the news publishes it as accusing!

 

[mr42O]

https://twitter.com/x/status/484351104684003328

 

[Muhammad Omar]

Imran k samne har ksi ne Election ki riiging me hissa lia hia Ex Chief justice ne election commission ne Geo ne jang ne PML-N ne fakhru u din ne sb ne

 

[batmannow]

Here comes DAWN as well
UNDP contradicts Imran’s rigging allegations
SLAMABAD: The United Nations Development Programme (UNDP) Country Director Marc-Andre Franche has contradicted the allegations of PTI chief Imran Khan regarding the interruption in its election project on May 11, 2013 polling day, saying that none of its consultants were ejected from the offices of the Returning Officers.

The UNDP Country Director also insisted that none of its computers were shut down after the victory speech of Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) chief Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif as alleged by Khan on May 11.

Marc-Andre Franche said that none of the consultants were ejected from the offices of Returning Officers or witnessed their computers being shut down.

It may be mentioned that the Pakistan Tehreek-i-Insaf (PTI) chief alleged in his speech at a public rally in Bahawalpur last week that soon after the ‘victory speech’ of Nawaz Sharif, the data operators stopped sending computerised result copies to the Election Commission of Pakistan (ECP).

Earlier, the ECP had also denied Khan’s claim that a UNDP election result gathering project was halted after Nawaz Sharif’s speech on May 11 last year.
UNDP contradicts Imran’s rigging allegations - Pakistan - DAWN.COM



All it says is that system broke down...I don't whats the point in making chest thumping over this....This usually happens when systems get overloaded...Perhaps PTI should arrange a course on Common sense and using logic for all its supporters.
@Leader...Instead of farting, probably bring something concrete out...I mean its hallarious how you jokers try to twist things.
"Best of the both worlds"....

Another of paid noora media factory stunts?

 

[Dubious]

https://twitter.com/x/status/484351104684003328

Yaar ECP ka kaam hai kiya? Kuch kernay kay liak hi nai hai...Hum yeh nai ker saktay ...We dont have power for that, we cant do this, we have no control for that...seriously, why have a election commission which is worthless?

Constitution of Pakistan and the Election Commission
The Election Commission is a Constitutional body, responsible for organizing and conducting elections in the country. Under Article 218(3) of the Constitution, the Commission is charged with the duty of “organising and conducting elections and making such arrangements as are necessary to ensure that the election is conducted honestly, justly and fairly.” The Supreme Court of Pakistan, in its judgment in Workers Party case (Constitution Petition No. 87/2011), provided a detailed explanation of the words ‘honestly’, ‘justly’ and ‘fairly’ and explained powers of the Commission under Article 218(3) of the Constitution.

The Commission, under Article 218 of the Constitution, consists of the Chief Election Commissioner (CEC) as Chairman and four Members appointed at the recommendation of a Parliamentary Committee comprising equal members from the Treasury and the Opposition benches. Article 219 of the Constitution, charges the Commission with the responsibility of holding general elections to the National Assembly, Provincial Assemblies and the local governments, preparing electoral rolls and revising them annually as well as conducting elections to the Senate and filling up the vacant seats in the Parliament and the Provincial Assemblies. Article 140-A also gives the ECP the responsibility of holding local government elections. Further, the Commission is also empowered to appoint Election Tribunals to adjudicate upon post-election disputes.

With reference to Article 213 of the Constitution, the CEC has to be a serving or a former judge of the Supreme Court or of a High Court eligible for appointment as Judge of the Supreme Court. The Members of the Election Commission have to be former judges of the four High Courts from each province – Balochistan, Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa (KPK), Punjab and Sindh.
All executive authorities in the Federation and Provinces, under Article 220 of the Constitution, are required to assist the Election Commission in the discharge of its functions.

Despite being faced with various challenges, the Election Commission has successfully conducted General Elections from 1970 through 2013 (1970, 1977, 1985, 1988, 1990, 1993, 1997, 2002, 2008 and 2013). The 2013 General Elections were the tenth elections held on the basis of direct vote—prior to 1970 indirect elections were held to the National and Provincial Assemblies.
The ECP has been managing elections in Pakistan, which stands sixth in the world in terms of population. Though the ECP has been managing huge election operations, it has always been aware of its limitations, potentials and prospects in delivering elections to the Pakistani nation.

 

[Fracker]

Words...I am not denying that IK said something I am just asking a look into the exact scenario...

The problem I see is mostly with what and how the media passes the msg...

And I dont understand why did question become accusing! From my observation: Is there a problem with questioning that if you question an authority or an institute and it denies what you asked...somehow the news publishes it as accusing!

Questioning and accusing both are different things. In a parliamentary system, you can question in parliament for to get clarification, or make things correct

But IK claim something, and on the basis of his own claim he started to accuse.

 

[Dubious]

Strategic planning is a management tool to plan and implement better in a proactive manner. Change is imminent, and despite resistance, in whatever form, it is bound to happen.Many organizations struggle to understand this. Strategic planning provides parameters to those who believe that change can be managed better by having a clear vision and mission supported with realistic targets and practical implementation methodologies. The best way of dealing with change and challenges is to anticipate them, preempt them and use them as a potential for development instead of reacting to situations and adopting short term and quick fix approaches.

The ECP defined its vision and mission at the time of formulating its first Five-Year Strategic Plan based on its status and responsibilities given in Article 218(3) of the Constitution. The Election Commission is responsible to “organize and conduct the election and to make such arrangements as are necessary to ensure that the election is conducted honestly, justly, fairly and in accordance with law, and that corrupt practices are guarded against.” All laws, rules and policies governing elections in Pakistan are required to be in line with the provisions of the Constitution. If there are any gaps in the laws, rules, procedures and operational matters, those should be plugged with relevant amendments. It is imperative also to refer to the Supreme Court of Pakistan judgment in Workers Party case (Constitutional petition No. 87/2011) wherein the court explained in detail the powers that the Commission enjoys under Article 218(3) of the Constitution.

Way back in 2009, the ECP decided to proactively approach the issues which it identified during the 2008 General Elections and formulated its first Five-Year Strategic Plan (2010-2014). The plan was a clear reflection of a major shift in the way the ECP used to work. It was a reform agenda with a clear vision, mission and guiding principles, and it set out 129 objectives grouped under 15 broader goals. Knowing well that the first plan will receive resistance as generally plans are prepared and forgotten, the ECP’s leadership took the matter very seriously and delivered various progress reports. The implementation was not easy, as not all the wings and units absorbed the principle of implementing the plan within their respective domains. Nevertheless, they continued to deliver and report activities related to certain targets. Led from the front by the Secretary ECP under guidance of the Election Commission, the plan became a reference point for the ECP in regard to improvements in various electoral areas.

After successful implementation of the first strategic plan the ECP decided to move forward to put together Second Five-Year Strategic Plan (2014-2018) to continue the reform process in a an effective manner and ultimately to strengthen the electoral processes in Pakistan. The need for reforms was also demonstrated during the post-election review process where all aspects were analyzed through a comprehensive methodology.

The ECP will utilize all its resources and build human and material capacity so that democracy is further strengthened through a more robust electoral reform process.

Like the First Five-Year Strategic Plan, the International Foundation for Electoral Systems (IFES) has been instrumental in providing the ECP the required technical assistance for the development of Second Five-Year Strategic Plan as well. It has been a very meaningful partnership where the ECP leveraged the wealth of technical depth that IFES offers. The UNDP and UNW have also contributed towards the development of the plan. The ECP appreciates the assistance provided by IFES, UNDP and UNW.

The ECP established a Strategic Planning Committee and its Core Group in order to draft the plan. All senior officers at the ECP Secretariat and the four Provincial Election Commissioners were part of the Committee headed by the Secretary ECP, and the Core Group was led by the Additional Secretary. After a thorough review, the Election Commission accorded approval of the plan.

The ECP is committed to implementing the strategic plan with more vigor and commitment in order to achieve the objectives it has set for itself while deriving strength from the success of the first five-year plan. Certainly, there will be challenges but these will only make the ECP stronger to pursue the ideal of a role model organization in the county.

WTH?! All this planning and reports yet nothing can be done when you literally utter we have no power! Where is the promised change?

Questioning and accusing both are different things. In a parliamentary system, you can question in parliament for to get clarification, or make things correct

But IK claim something, and on the basis of his own claim he started to accuse.

Well if that is the case what did he claim and what did he accuse? I only see the countering...

egarding the interruption in its election project on May 11, 2013 polling day, saying that none of its consultants were ejected from the offices of the Returning Officers.

But there are written statements of interruption faced!

https://twitter.com/x/status/484351104684003328

also insisted that none of its computers were shut down after the victory speech of Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) chief Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif as alleged by Khan on May 11.

I dont know this bit so wont comment but wont mind reading someone's comments on it!

none of the consultants were ejected from the offices of Returning Officers or witnessed their computers being shut down.

If they didnt...then that is surprising coz written statements state : they slowed down and later were stalled!

And it was done manually...either 1 is lying!

2nd statement regarding shut down is not in that...neither is UNDP stating anything about the stalling??


Ok now lets take a look at what others said and what IK said:

Imran Khan's first demand was to know how Nawaz Sharif declared victory in the May 11 elections beforehand. Secondly he demanded to know the role played by former chief justice Iftikhar Chaudhary in the elections.

Third he demanded to know the role played by the caretaker government in the elections, and specifically highlighted Pakistan Cricket Board Chairman Najam Sethi.

His final demand was of the government to answer about voter fraud in 90 constituencies.


How is any of this acussations or anything? Its his right to demand explainations!