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Understanding Tanks

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This is just some basic information to help people understand tanks. Feel free to add to it.

Caliber= The caliber of the main gun is expressed by L for length- for example 125mm L48. The formula is length of the barrel divided by the size of the round.

Bridge weight/ rail weight. This is the total weight of the tank when a single structure or item must bear it. This is where terms like CL50 or CL 70 bridges come from.

Ground pressure- usually expressed in psi or Kg/cm^2. This is the weight the tank exerts on any one piece of ground square inch or square centimeter. The wider the track, then the wider the "footprint' to spread the tanks weight. This is one reason why the heavy western MBT's like the Abrams and Challenger do not bog down in sand. They have a low ground pressure do to the width and length of the tracks which give the tanks a large foot print. Its also why all tracked vehicles generally do better on soft ground than wheels.

Long Rod Penetrators, and sabots (LRP/ sabots). The LRP is the business part of the APFSDS (Armor Piercing Fin Stabilized Discarding Sabot). The sabot is actually the boot that blows away when the round exits the barrel. Most modern sabots are LRP designs. They use a spool style sabot that looks like a thread spool. The spool keeps the round centered in the barrel and provides the surface for the exhaust gasses to push on. By using a spool style the fins can be smaller and less draggy allowing longer ranged shots before too much energy is lost to effect a penetration. LRP are generally in excess of 600mm long and some are in excess of 830mm long. This length often prevents systems using two piece ammunition from using a LRP. This can be a serious handicap espaecially with older bore riding sabots. A bore riding sabot had larger fins that touch the bore of the barrel and kept the round centered. A simple disc sabot caught the exhaust gases. The large fins limited performance past 1500m and the shorter length limited performance as well.

Kinetic Energy- the force imparted to the target by a LRP's impact. The formula is half mass times velocity squared and is usually expressed in joules. Ke=.5mXv^2=j

TIS Thermal Imaging System

CITV Commanders Independent Thermal Viewer

Hunter-Killer Capability- requires that the commander and gunner each have their own sight so that the commander can hunt and input targets for the gunner to then track and kill.

APS Active protection system. There are two main types- counter measures like electrooptical, laser and IR jamming. And systems that have a hard kill ability to defeat incoming rounds. They can be, but are not always combined together.

HEAT- High Explosive Anti-Tank. A shaped charge round that turns a copper cone into a plug of hyper velocity molten metal.

HEAP High Explosive Armor Piercing- A high explosive round with a hard nose or cap designed to defeat light armor before detonating.

HESH/HEP High Explosive Squash Head/ High Explosive Plastic. These shells use a plastic explosive round that deforms to the target before detonating. The detonation causes high velocity spalling. Not used much any more since modern armor is spaced or layered and spall resistant.

Spall- pieces of metal that flake off the inside surface of a target hit an incoming round. If the impact is big enough the pieces act like machine gun bullets and can shred the crew/passengers, start fires and do other damage.

Anti-Spall liner- usually Kevlar or some other synthetic weave applied to the inside of a vehicle designed to keep spall from reaching the crew/passengers.

pack/ power pack- the engine and transmission of a tank or other armored vehicle.

Coax- a machine gun located along side the main gun to serve as an anti-infantry weapon. Also older coax guns could be used to range with if the machine gun and the main gun had a similar ballistics profile. This has recently come in vogue but in reverse with the US Army's M1A2SEPTUSK. A remote 50 cal heavy machine gun is mounted semi-coaxially above the main gun since both weapons (1200mm APFSDS and 50 cal bullet) have a similar flight path. This lets the gunner use the tanks laser and FCS to great effect in controlling the remote 50 cal.

ERA Explosive Reactive Armor- 2 steel plates with explosive sandwiched between them. When hit by a round the compression detonates the explosive and the plates move inducing shear as well. These combine to disrupt the attack. early ERA was only effective vs HEAT rounds. However, new heavy ERA can also greatly reduce the ability of LRP rounds. A recent trend has been researching non-explosive reactive armors (NxRA, NERA). This system proposes to use rubber instead of explosive and rely more on sheer forces on the side of the penetrator (HEAT plug/ APFSDS)to disrupt the attack.

RHA Rolled Homogeneous Armor- military grade steel armor that is face hardened. The old standby. Rounds are judged by what level of RHA they will penetrate.

RHAe Rolled Homogeneous Armor equivalent. Modern armors like ceramics, composites, applique', alloyed weaves etc are rated by how much protection they offer vs how much RHA would have to be used to reach the same level.
 
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The wider the track, then the wider the "footprint' to spread the tanks weight.

what advantages does a narrow track tank have over wider tracks tank? while both tanks have same ground pressure!
 
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what advantages does a narrow track tank have over wider tracks tank? while both tanks have same ground pressure!

Huh? Given two tanks of the same weight, the one with the narrower, shorter foot print will have a higher ground pressure. Generally, narrow tracks are only used by light vehicles that will have a low ground pressure anyway.

Length times width gives the area of the track. This area then gets the weight of the tank. Less area means more weight has to be borne per square inch/centimeter.

For example lets compare to "tanks" both weight 50 tons one with wide long tracks 32"x 180" and one with narrow short tracks 18" x 120'. Both measurements being the part of the track in contact with the ground. Example 1 is 5670sqaure inches per track (11520 total) 50 tons (Short) is 100,000lbs. 100,000/ 11520= 8.68psi.

Example 2 has 2160 square inches per side 4320 overall. 100,000 / 4320= 23.14psi

Now imagine local soil conditions con only reliably hold 20psi without a vehicle risking getting stuck. Tank 1 offers a huge advantage.

A real world example is the M1A2 which weighs in 67.6 short tons but has a ground pressure of only 15.4 psi. Compare this to the M4A1 Sherman tank which weighed 33.4 tons and had a ground pressure of 13.7psi. The Abrams is twice the weight, but do to longer wider tracks has barely anymore ground pressure. Effectively this means the Abrams can go anywhere the much smaller Sherman can go.

BTW working backwards

Abrams 135200 lbs / 15.4= 8779 square inches of foot print (4389.5 per side)

M4A1 Sherman 66,800lbs / 13.7= 4876 (2348 per side)

Just one side of the Abrams has almost as much contact area as the entire Sherman.
 
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Thanks, but i wanted to compare tanks with same ground pressure and not same weights.
Obviously, tank having narrow tracks have to be lighter than the tank having wider tracks, in order to have even ground pressure!

I guess wider track tank (having same ground pressure as narrow track tank) is comparatively an easy target.
Air borne radars can pick it up relatively from more distance and it offer less gun power per square foot or vice versa more target area per square foot and perhaps also less manuverable.
 
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Thanks, but i wanted to compare tanks with same ground pressure and not same weights.
Obviously, tank having narrow tracks have to be lighter than the tank having wider tracks, in order to have even ground pressure!

I guess wider track tank (having same ground pressure as narrow track tank) is comparatively an easy target.
Air borne radars can pick it up relatively from more distance and it offer less gun power per square foot or vice versa more target area per square foot and perhaps also less manuverable.


what?

track width has nothing to do with radar signature- there is a whole tank sittign on top of them after all. Nor does a tank with a wider track offer less gun power or suffer maneuverability problems.
 
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I guess he meant to say that Wider track translates to bigger size hence bigger signature.
 
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I guess he meant to say that Wider track translates to bigger size hence bigger signature.

But it doesn't. While the lightest tracked vehicles don't need wide tracks. Anything above about 20 tons benefits from them. Remember the first tank to make wide use of a wider track was the T-34 that gave the Germans hell. The T-34 only weighed about 25 tons in the early versions.

For comparison (real basic sketch here)

T-90S ground pressure 12.5psi 46.5 tons (metric= 2205lbs rounded up) 102,532lbs = 8202sq" foot print L= 9.53m H= 2.22m W= 3.78m Frontal area aspect box= 6m Side profile 11.75m

Arjun ground pressure 11.9 psi 58.5 metric tons= 128992lbs = 10840sq" foot print. L= 10.64m H= 2.32m W= 3.86m Frontal profile 6.18 meter side profile 12.96m

From the front the 12 ton (20.5%) lighter T-90 is 3% smaller than the Arjun and 9.3% smaller from the side. The Arjun is much heaver but not much bigger of a target, especially from the front. Granted I know my math is simple since the T-90 does not have a bustle, and that I was using simple rectangle boxes to show the target apsect. Like I said a rough sketch.
 
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I guess wider track tank (having same ground pressure as narrow track tank) is comparatively an easy target.

Why? Is a (King) Tiger with wide combat tracks a bigger target than a (King) Tiger on narrow transportation tracks? The width different overall is only the added trackwidth from the frontal aspect. There is no change in the hull and turret size.

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The tank is provided with two tracks, a wide one (2 ft, 4.5 in) and a narrow one (just under 2 ft). The wide track is the one used in battle, the narrow being for administrative marches and where maneuverability and economy of operation take precedence over ground pressure. The dotted line in the sketch of the suspension system indicates the outer edge of the narrow track. When the narrow track is used, the eight wheels outside the dotted line can be removed.
http://www.lonesentry.com/articles/ttt_tiger/index.html
 
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Tanks are actually a complete fighting machine requiring a great deal from the crew.

The caliber of the main gun compares with that of the Field / Medium artillery, the secondary armament ( machine guns) require the skills of an infantryman to operate and the radio needs the understanding of a signaler. A tankman therefore needs more than rudimentary knowledege of all .

The sense of power and feeling of invincibility coupled with the knowledge that it is a machine whose presence & absence deeply impacts the battlefield can only be experienced not explained.

The logistics that goes to operate & sustain tanks in battle ( & in peace ) is phenomenal.Quite like a horse that needs care & understanding to deliver when called upon. Each tank has its own idosyncracies, known only to its own crew who handle & love it like a child.
 
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what?

track width has nothing to do with radar signature- there is a whole tank sittign on top of them after all. Nor does a tank with a wider track offer less gun power or suffer maneuverability problems.

I understood.. I was confusing track width with tank width.
Thanks for your kind efforts.
 
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I understood.. I was confusing track width with tank width.
Thanks for your kind efforts.

A wider track increases tank overall width, while it does not necessarily means a wider tank hull (=target).
 
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Would you also elaborate the difference between smooth barrel and riveted barrel gun?
 
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Would you also elaborate the difference between smooth barrel and riveted barrel gun?

I assume you meant rifled not riveted.

Smoothbore canons have exactyl that a smooth bore. They can achieve somewhat higher velocities than a rifled gun, but are less accurate. Rifled gun have rifling on the inside of the barrel called the bore. This rifling imparts a spin to the round as it is pushed down the bore by the expanding exhaust gasses of the propellant. This spin makes the weapon more accurate. The longest tank on tank kill was achieved by the British using a rifled L11A5 120mm gun. The longest tank vs target hit of all time was General Tal of the IDF's hit on a Syrian bulldozer at something like 6km using a rifled L7/M68 105mm gun.

Rifled guns general have a shorter barrel life and are harder to clean. Thus with modern computerized fire-control systems making up almost all of the difference in accuracy, the smoothbore cannon seems to be the way to go forward with conventional gun technology.
 
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the maintainance of rifled barrels is also a demanding job. the grooves are to be re-made after firing a prescribed number of shells and as this process cannot continue forever as they eventually vanish out. the life of a rifled barrels is also lesser then the same caliber smooth bore for same reason! !
as Sir. Zaraver have rightly pointed, the rifled barrels have much more accuracy but now all that stuff is bieng dealed by compters so there is a massive shift toward Smooth-bore barrel. by the way Al-Khalid and Al-Zara both also use the smooth barrels as most of the other modren tanks of the day!

regards!
 
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