Unarmed HONG KONG LAW & CRIME POLITICS & PROTEST Hong Kong protester shot by police with live round

[Rasengan]

I have friends on both sides of the argument. It took me a few months but I was able to persuade one of my friends to stop going on these protest marches and admit how the movement itself has been hijacked and has become a cult. They have achieved their goals and are now entering dangerous unchartered territory.

If bad mouth works, you will be super power in 2020 also. Keep doing your job, I like Pho.

Vietnamese members on this forum hate China. But when you travel across the world you will notice they will call themselves Chinese. Come to the UK and you will see individuals claiming to be Chinese have Vietnamese surnames.

 

[vi-va]

@viva_zhao @GeraltofRivia @Char @rott et al:

Friend, its getting lot off topic I suppose now. This will take long time to explain in detail needed...but let me give you guys few pointers from my perspective:

India has "Federal Republic" and (controlled + defined) "democracy" operating within that framework. However like I mentioned before, its not a copy paste kind of deal (from say western). It is defined by Indian constitution which is very unique document (and there is good, bad and grey in my opinion here). This means a local optimized version of republic-democracy has taken shape in India (over time, especially after learning what is good and what is bad in relation to implementation on Indian society which is itself very diverse like you mention).

Just like China has its version of "People's republic" and "communism" operating within that one and that would take a long discussion to discuss of how its peculiar to only China's case (if one is to argue what it was at conception compared to downstream today).

I mean is communism, marxism etc originally a Chinese created thought? Similarly its the case for Indian republic + democracy, it adapts to earlier structures we had over time.

For China case, it make sense (central authority + consolidation especially after long period of weakness and tumult) for reasons I mentioned before...but in short and in my opinion....a single core language I feel is the original root case that "Han" identity grew around over centuries and became very solidly entrenched....especially for political purpose (given no matter how the broader culture/influences may have evolved with time and whatever invaders may have taken over the highest political level, there was simply too much significant inertia from "Han" identity that always counterbalanced these things). Basically all 3 major river systems (yellow, yangtse, pearl) of China were unified into this "core hearth"....so a resilience was gained historically.

Contrast with ROC (Taiwan) from post 1949 period too. You will notice for good long time they also had one party rule and central-authoritarianism...and likely if they won civil war, structurally China at large would still have same kind of central control system.

Indian case has some similarities in larger cultural realm....but it did not have this relative level of language identity/uniformity in the geographic space it occupies today. Simply put we have lot more river systems in the geography (Big ones in north like Indus, Ganges, Brahmaputra...but also different ones in the central area and south) and thus lot more intrinsic variance to account for. Thus one single language system (for everything else to take shape above it) never came about like it did in China. It is why Indian empires could exert large size and reach...but when they retreat like tide, there was no long term permanence to consolidate (politically) again.

This is also why the "Indian elites" were also able to handle the competing forces....given the cultural gestation of our system to always accomodate for these variances, yet still unite on larger themes of culture/contact/influences/civilisation etc.

This also brings in what is a country vs nation. To me they are distinct (but of course related), a country is just the current political set up occupying to the boundaries it reaches with other countries. The PRC is a country. Republic of India is a country. etc etc

But to me when we talk in long historical terms and contexts, the more apt term is "nation"....because different political entities that take the mold of "country"...that is: empires, kingdoms etc come and go....but what lasts is the "nation"....and above that is "civilisation" (but that starts to get to be too broad generally). To me Chinese (Han) and Indian nations are quite different...there is no real equivalent like "Han" bounded by language system (and augmented with other markers.... to the extent found for example in Indian case. This also enters a very long conversation on the breaking up of Indian "nation" by foreign invasions. Because simply put your last two foreign dynasties (Mongol and Manchu...and they are seperated in time by long stretch of local Ming) were integrated into Chinese culture by and large (there was no ingredients sown for ground based cultural clash among the people, given you are simply Han always). It simply does not quite compare to Islamic dynasties in India, the very short tenure our local Marathas had in between (to contrast with Ming) and then British colonial period. The effects on nation for that is quite different. This is why federal republic+democracy is our best bet here....too centralised system will not work simply.

As to your query as to undue western influence that comes about by this....well it is akin to how much Russian/Soviet influence also came about by PRC adopting marxist-communism under Mao....and great friendship during the first period etc....and compare that to situation in the middle of PRC modern history and what the current situation of PRC is etc.

Simpy put, over time the sino-soviet split happened (because of big differences arising) and then later Deng reformed and opened up China in different direction to Mao's original conception.

Similar kind of thing happened when we went to war with Pakistan in 1971 and Americans sent a carrier fleet to try threaten and dissuade us (even though we are democracy and they are non-democratic dictatorship at that time... and we had valid reasons to conduct that war given their brutal crackdown on one wing of their country)...and maybe even take action against us, if it were not for Soviet counter-pressure on them. It was low point and very telling lesson for us on what West in the end cares about and what its influences ultimately seek to do. Though of course in 1991 we opened up and started to reform economically....in similar "cat can be white or black as long as it catches mice" that China did decade before...but its pragmatic decision after extreme economic insulation clearly not working.

It is really too bad that Sino-Indian relations got off on bad start that lingers because of the border areas with Tibet. But its time to keep making improvements and cooperation each year as best we both can...given the worst episodes are shrinking in rear view mirror each day on highway and we instead choose to focus on better opportunity ahead.

So trust me, we know exactly what deep hypocrisy of the west can be, and it wont be forgotten. We chart our own way and look to our internal references and needs first rather than blindly copy stuff....we are too big...and now with this system in place for cpl long generations, we see what strengths and weaknesses (as it applies to us) there are and enhance the former and address the latter.

It is really the only way rather than worry too much about setting up everything perfectly at start....because "perfection" is both only judged in hindsight and depends on the individual definition too...and what context he is aware of to judge it.

very well put. I learn the early political decision(1947-1977) made by Indian elites from Francine_Frankel, very interesting story. The India political environment is very different from China, it's amazing to witness the development of India politics.

If India developed well in the next 2 decades, I think India is safe. It will be the most difficult and critical period, after that India will be industrialized.

 

[Nilgiri]

very well put. I learn the early political decision(1947-1977) made by Indian elites from Francine_Frankel, very interesting story. The India political environment is very different from China, it's amazing to witness the development of India politics.

If India developed well in the next 2 decades, I think India is safe. It will be the most difficult and critical period, after that India will be industrialized.

Bro, critical (increasing) mass of us are inspired by China's progress (media really just likes to make huge nasty deal about whatever can sell a story....they dont really capture ground feeling all that well)...even those that seem "anti-China" in whatever way, increasingly they have to admit we are far behind and have to reform and improve to be competitive to better use best of our talent and strengths...no other way.

We know we have overall the same heritage ingredients to learn from and apply like China....and lot in modern context today is actually tucked away from attention but its going on quietly (investment wise, cooperation wise, profitability wise and general multi-polar world interest and objective).

I mean when there is 3rd party arena to have interaction of quality, we both understand what the size and presence of long historic civilisation and identity means for such tier (today) in the end, and importantly the why inevitably these 2 nations meet for good hearted challenge and competition and really put lasting impression.... once we can flourish and are not artificially oppressed by outsiders again (just flick thru, esp at the end):

I see broadly of course in western (esp given how current modern world has unfolded) and Persian @SOHEIL for similar overall reason...and the results are witnessed away from internet forum banter.

As for the rest, less said the better on it....but they can also improve and prove themselves if "it" is there.

 

[Rasengan]

Both system suck, both r loser in VN war.no nid to learn anything from those garbages.

My friend let me give you one piece of friendly advice. Every person should feel proud of their country and culture, however, arrogance leads to disaster. The bigger the ego the bigger the fall. Please don't take what I said the wrong way. But you should understand knowledge is power and each culture has its merits and problems.

 

[bbccdd1470]

I have friends on both sides of the argument. It took me a few months but I was able to persuade one of my friends to stop going on these protest marches and admit how the movement itself has been hijacked and has become a cult.

Good job to you. I also had big fight within our family, but time will tell who is wrong and right. Just say more than half of my family were in the BT side at the beginning (I have big family), and now only one remain truly at the BT since the BT's actions have been speaking so clear that there is no more excuse they can make. However, the sad truth is there are still a lot of people that support the BT even their action have already gone too far, like a cult.

 

[rott]

Of course I still work 10-15 hours and no Sunday off untill lunar new year, and I bet that No Cnese working as same as me now cos u guys dont have jobs during trade war.

Bcs u guys dont have enough good jobs, so no more "miracle grow" for CN. Ur future is just simply too dark.

Btw, I just finised my breakfast and will work till 7pm.see u

Hey, you got a job recently? Coz I used to see you online 24/7 and not much these days.

@viva_zhao @GeraltofRivia @Char @rott et al:

Friend, its getting lot off topic I suppose now. This will take long time to explain in detail needed...but let me give you guys few pointers from my perspective:

India has "Federal Republic" and (controlled + defined) "democracy" operating within that framework. However like I mentioned before, its not a copy paste kind of deal (from say western). It is defined by Indian constitution which is very unique document (and there is good, bad and grey in my opinion here). This means a local optimized version of republic-democracy has taken shape in India (over time, especially after learning what is good and what is bad in relation to implementation on Indian society which is itself very diverse like you mention).

Just like China has its version of "People's republic" and "communism" operating within that one and that would take a long discussion to discuss of how its peculiar to only China's case (if one is to argue what it was at conception compared to downstream today).

I mean is communism, marxism etc originally a Chinese created thought? Similarly its the case for Indian republic + democracy, it adapts to earlier structures we had over time.

For China case, it make sense (central authority + consolidation especially after long period of weakness and tumult) for reasons I mentioned before...but in short and in my opinion....a single core language I feel is the original root case that "Han" identity grew around over centuries and became very solidly entrenched....especially for political purpose (given no matter how the broader culture/influences may have evolved with time and whatever invaders may have taken over the highest political level, there was simply too much significant inertia from "Han" identity that always counterbalanced these things). Basically all 3 major river systems (yellow, yangtse, pearl) of China were unified into this "core hearth"....so a resilience was gained historically.

Contrast with ROC (Taiwan) from post 1949 period too. You will notice for good long time they also had one party rule and central-authoritarianism...and likely if they won civil war, structurally China at large would still have same kind of central control system.

Indian case has some similarities in larger cultural realm....but it did not have this relative level of language identity/uniformity in the geographic space it occupies today. Simply put we have lot more river systems in the geography (Big ones in north like Indus, Ganges, Brahmaputra...but also different ones in the central area and south) and thus lot more intrinsic variance to account for. Thus one single language system (for everything else to take shape above it) never came about like it did in China. It is why Indian empires could exert large size and reach...but when they retreat like tide, there was no long term permanence to consolidate (politically) again.

This is also why the "Indian elites" were also able to handle the competing forces....given the cultural gestation of our system to always accomodate for these variances, yet still unite on larger themes of culture/contact/influences/civilisation etc.

This also brings in what is a country vs nation. To me they are distinct (but of course related), a country is just the current political set up occupying to the boundaries it reaches with other countries. The PRC is a country. Republic of India is a country. etc etc

But to me when we talk in long historical terms and contexts, the more apt term is "nation"....because different political entities that take the mold of "country"...that is: empires, kingdoms etc come and go....but what lasts is the "nation"....and above that is "civilisation" (but that starts to get to be too broad generally). To me Chinese (Han) and Indian nations are quite different...there is no real equivalent like "Han" bounded by language system (and augmented with other markers.... to the extent found for example in Indian case. This also enters a very long conversation on the breaking up of Indian "nation" by foreign invasions. Because simply put your last two foreign dynasties (Mongol and Manchu...and they are seperated in time by long stretch of local Ming) were integrated into Chinese culture by and large (there was no ingredients sown for ground based cultural clash among the people, given you are simply Han always). It simply does not quite compare to Islamic dynasties in India, the very short tenure our local Marathas had in between (to contrast with Ming) and then British colonial period. The effects on nation for that is quite different. This is why federal republic+democracy is our best bet here....too centralised system will not work simply.

As to your query as to undue western influence that comes about by this....well it is akin to how much Russian/Soviet influence also came about by PRC adopting marxist-communism under Mao....and great friendship during the first period etc....and compare that to situation in the middle of PRC modern history and what the current situation of PRC is etc.

Simpy put, over time the sino-soviet split happened (because of big differences arising) and then later Deng reformed and opened up China in different direction to Mao's original conception.

Similar kind of thing happened when we went to war with Pakistan in 1971 and Americans sent a carrier fleet to try threaten and dissuade us (even though we are democracy and they are non-democratic dictatorship at that time... and we had valid reasons to conduct that war given their brutal crackdown on one wing of their country)...and maybe even take action against us, if it were not for Soviet counter-pressure on them. It was low point and very telling lesson for us on what West in the end cares about and what its influences ultimately seek to do. Though of course in 1991 we opened up and started to reform economically....in similar "cat can be white or black as long as it catches mice" that China did decade before...but its pragmatic decision after extreme economic insulation clearly not working.

It is really too bad that Sino-Indian relations got off on bad start that lingers because of the border areas with Tibet. But its time to keep making improvements and cooperation each year as best we both can...given the worst episodes are shrinking in rear view mirror each day on highway and we instead choose to focus on better opportunity ahead.

So trust me, we know exactly what deep hypocrisy of the west can be, and it wont be forgotten. We chart our own way and look to our internal references and needs first rather than blindly copy stuff....we are too big...and now with this system in place for cpl long generations, we see what strengths and weaknesses (as it applies to us) there are and enhance the former and address the latter.

It is really the only way rather than worry too much about setting up everything perfectly at start....because "perfection" is both only judged in hindsight and depends on the individual definition too...and what context he is aware of to judge it.

Seriously? I can't read so much.

 

[Nan Yang]

Good job to you. I also had big fight within our family, but time will tell who is wrong and right. Just say more than half of my family were in the BT side at the beginning (I have big family), and now only one remain truly at the BT since the BT's actions have been speaking so clear that there is no more excuse they can make. However, the sad truth is there are still a lot of people that support the BT even their action have already gone too far, like a cult.

Close friend and ex colleague of mine have cousins in Hong Kong. His uncle and Aunt (still alive) worry so much they can't get a good night sleep. Their normal lives are affected as they dare not go out to meet and chat with friends. One wrong word and they will be in trouble. His cousins would keeps all the rioting news from them. It's sad.

 

[bbccdd1470]

Close friend and ex colleague of mine have cousins in Hong Kong. His uncle and Aunt (still alive) worry so much they can't get a good night sleep. Their normal lives are affected as they dare not go out to meet and chat with friends. One wrong word and they will be in trouble. His cousins would keeps all the rioting news from them. It's sad.

I can totally related this. Just say I live close to one of the recent heaviest hit place. Some Chinese netizens like to speak brave words, but they never feel that real pressure. They were around 150-200 black rioters standing, some with iron pipes and full gears (probably petrol bombs inside their bags), all silent (no one dare to speak) with the road and traffic lights were heavily damaged and bricks everywhere. Road was blocked and no car moving. All shops closed. Some dressed like local but you know they were observers (the one who do surveillance or give command). When you walked pass them, it was like they are watching you every move. My mom almost get beat once after she misspoke when the BT burned the garbage cans (this is the reason why brother changed his mind). This is scary honestly.

 

[Nilgiri]

Good job to you. I also had big fight within our family, but time will tell who is wrong and right. Just say more than half of my family were in the BT side at the beginning (I have big family), and now only one remain truly at the BT since the BT's actions have been speaking so clear that there is no more excuse they can make. However, the sad truth is there are still a lot of people that support the BT even their action have already gone too far, like a cult.

Yes this is more or less my impression too....whatever sympathies at start, now its eroded away coz of these recent actions that simply seek to cut to bone for cut to bone sake.

Spoiled brats destroying public property that other people will end up paying for....just like they always been paying for.

I saw street video of after effects on street of the Tai Po area where I grew up (which I always felt is far away enough from the main trouble spots), everything trashed....stuff strewn on streets. Couldnt believe it. It has gotten too far. I forwarded to my mom and she was completely in shock and anger about it.

 

[Viva_Viet]

My friend let me give you one piece of friendly advice. Every person should feel proud of their country and culture, however, arrogance leads to disaster. The bigger the ego the bigger the fall. Please don't take what I said the wrong way. But you should understand knowledge is power and each culture has its merits and problems.

Tks for your advice bro. But as u know, VN experienced many real long hard wars against both CN-US, so we know exactly the disadvantage of the system of both US and CN and we also know who is stronger now.

It took 20 year for VN to defeat US, but it only took 3 weeks to defeat CN in 1979 cos her PLA suck, her leaders r always very idiot and CN only make money just by begging and licking US azz since 1979.

Thats why, just dont pyt ur hope on CN, shes too weak and will fall in chaos soon

Hey, you got a job recently? Coz I used to see you online 24/7 and not much these days.

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Before US-CN trade war, I only work 8h and got Sunday off.the salary only increase 10%/year. I even had time for playing online game.

"Thanks" to ur idiot trade war, I got no more Sunday off till lunar new years. Salary increase 25% last year and 20%this year. The price of the house I bought also increase 30% and help me have more money .

So,keep fighting and quacking and talking nonsense on internet, dude. I still have time watch the CN chaos thats coming very close now

 

[bbccdd1470]

Yes this is more or less my impression too....whatever sympathies at start, now its eroded away coz of these recent actions that simply seek to cut to bone for cut to bone sake.

Spoiled brats destroying public property that other people will end up paying for....just like they always been paying for.

I saw street video of after effects on street of the Tai Po area where I grew up (which I always felt is far away enough from the main trouble spots), everything trashed....stuff strewn on streets. Couldnt believe it. It has gotten too far. I forwarded to my mom and she was completely in shock and anger about it.

Tai Po is one of the earliest hit places and this is sad to imagine how damaged the place looks like now ( I haven't been to many places since the riots). I live close to Sai Wan Ho where the recent shooting took place. Sai Wan Ho before the shooting was insignificant place, except there is an Eastern Magistrates' Courts. There had very few incidents, only lennon walls and some beatings. After the shooting that is another story, where there are setting fire, road and MRT station are heavily damaged. Much more rioters stay on the streets. The feeling is so different between watching videos about the riots and you actually witness one on the street.

I really think HK is almost losing control, and worry there may have causality on both side when police have to enter those fortified Universities campus (much worse condition in those places). Police is asking normal people to leave those campuses , the big fight may be coming.

 

[Rasengan]

Good job to you. I also had big fight within our family, but time will tell who is wrong and right. Just say more than half of my family were in the BT side at the beginning (I have big family), and now only one remain truly at the BT since the BT's actions have been speaking so clear that there is no more excuse they can make. However, the sad truth is there are still a lot of people that support the BT even their action have already gone too far, like a cult.

Good to hear. I have another friend that is planning to return to HK next month. He originally supported these protestors but now he is unsure because of there recent actions. On one hand, he seems to believe the rioters rather than protestors (he separates the two) are possible agents who are causing problems to give an excuse to the Govt to introduce tougher laws and more control. He couldn't provide evidence, so that myth was debunked and he had to admit his mistake.

Such a view stems from inaction by the police to stop these protestors. In his opinion the police response time is slow and this is done on purpose to cause destruction of property in the hope of changing the hearts and minds of the people of HK against the protestors. Furthermore, I forgot the name of the app but these rioters are sending clear messages to alert people to meet in an area to cause trouble. Quite often they use coded words like dogs (police) and dream (demands). If this is apparently obvious, why hasn't the police arrested the ring leaders? What he was trying to say, he wouldn't be surprised the mainland was conducting a counter-intelligence operation to derail the movement. I know that sounds hogwash but that was his opinion. Good thing he doesn't believe that now since I hammered common sense in his brain.

Tks for your advice bro. But as u know, VN experienced many real long hard wars against both CN-US, so we know exactly the disadvantage of the system of both US and CN and we also know who is stronger now.

It took 20 year for VN to defeat US, but it only took 3 weeks to defeat CN in 1979 cos her PLA suck, her leaders r always very idiot and CN only make money just by begging and licking US azz since 1979.

Thats why, just dont pyt ur hope on CN, shes too weak and will fall in chaos soon

What does the system of governance have to do with war? Furthermore, are you telling me Vietnam can't learn anything from Chinese history? You claim China is begging the US to make money, but that has made them the second-largest economy in the world. China isn't weak, naturally, it's in pole position to be the next superpower. My knowledge on the 1979 conflict is limited so I can't determine which side won.

 

[bbccdd1470]

On one hand, he seems to believe the rioters rather than protestors (he separates the two) are possible agents who are causing problems to give an excuse to the Govt

The died hard supporters still believe those BS honestly. I really think the rational one already shift to neutral at this point, but again the irrational one are still too many. Some of the blue camp already question this kind of logic if those agents are from the gov't or Beijing, then why those BT still demand the gov't to pardon them and help them to resist or escape from the police's arrest. The fact is deep down they know those rioters are part of their people.

Such a view stems from inaction by the police to stop these protestors.

This is what I think from observing this mess for 5 months, this is reasonable to believe that there are some fake reporters (or Media on the BT side) and fake local residents, every time when the police takes action, those reporters would go in between the police and rioters to provide more time for those rioters to flee. Also the reporters are constantly reporting "Police brutality" to mislead people (I'm not saying there is no police brutality, but many of those videos have been cut to the point you cant see the cause why those people got beaten). Fake residents would boo, corner and demand the police to get out of the place where the rioters were hiding (if the police takes action to evict the place, then the reporters will report that the police unreasonably assault normal residents or reporters). So especially at the beginning, the police's action was not welcomed by the majority of the HK people (the reason why the inaction of the police). Not to mention, now those rioters are using petrol bombs as their main weapon, this is hard for riot police to go to hand to hand combat with those rioters. And those rioters have changed their tactic where they would mostly flee to other places after destroying properties.

If this is apparently obvious, why hasn't the police arrested the ring leaders?

The true ring leaders will never show up their face, that is why they keep saying they have no leader or background. The on field commanders would pretend they are local residents or bystanders. Most of the rioters got arrested are students and young people which are cannon fodders. Beijing know exactly who is behind this mess and this can not be solved by arresting or by the HK gov't alone since this is a grand game between the two powerful countries. But you already know that since you successfully convinced one of the supporters.

 

[Viva_Viet]

What does the system of governance have to do with war? Furthermore, are you telling me Vietnam can't learn anything from Chinese history? You claim China is begging the US to make money, but that has made them the second-largest economy in the world. China isn't weak, naturally, it's in pole position to be the next superpower. My knowledge on the 1979 conflict is limited so I can't determine which side won.

If u care too.much abt CN, then let me tell u the truth: many Vnese actually r Cnese ( Han Cnese, not Mongol-Manchus Cnese). The King who help VN defeated Mongol invasion 3 times in 12th century was Cnese,too.

So, we dont nid anyone telling/teaching us abt CN.We just dont like their idiot Govt.

Civilized Han Cnese after enslaved by Mongol-Manchus and mixed blood wt those barbarians become too stupid and not worth to talk ab anymore cos Cnese now r low life half blood barbarians.

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During the Hong Kong anti-delivery campaign, pro-Beijing voices were circulated on the Internet, saying that including the famous people and forwards of the "Reverse Sending" movements such as He Yunshi and Huang Zhifeng, they were all Vietnamese descendants. (Photo by Zhang Jiaming / Wikipedia)

The idea of the world under the Empire


Hong Kong people have been in trouble in June. The CCP is fighting against the "Fujian people" in the South, and it is countering the "message war" on the Internet to distort Hong Kong's situation, but the means are poor. Most of the Hong Kong intelligence that the Chinese have said is so ridiculous. For example, in the early days of the outbreak, some people thought that there were foreigners present at the demonstration site, which means that the US CIA is commanding resistance. After the news has been passed down in China, some people will believe it. The Hong Kong "News" visited a very honest Anhui woman on the street . The latter used a few mobile phones to show evidence of "foreigners present."



There is a more special paradox: the pro-Beijing voice is circulating, and the celebrities and forwards in the "reverse delivery" movement are all Vietnamese descendants . Naturally, such as He Yunshi and Huang Zhifeng, it is the material of the essays. Even other social activists are said to have received the message from Chinese netizens: How do they make independence like Vietnamese? Add a laughing emoji behind .



As for the Chinese side, this is the case: "The riots are mostly not Chinese but descendants of the refugees of the former South Vietnamese boat people. Don't forget that the young and middle-aged people who are leading the Hong Kong independence are the refugees of the former South Vietnamese escaping refugees... At present, this batch There are about 300,000 people in Hong Kong!"




Whether these well-known Hong Kong people are Vietnamese or whether there are Vietnamese ancestors in the family chain, I don't know, but more and more Hong Kong people are "being Vietnamese," which is a Chinese-style Freudian slips. The Chinese imagine that they once owned a bigger country. For example, the territory of the Mongolian Empire was "is ours"; as long as the country that used Chinese characters is "is ours."



When talking about these problems with the older generation, they always unconsciously reveal the grief of "hegemony no longer": South Korea was China's and "our". So Japan, Vietnam, and even Laos, Cambodia...the places that have had contacts with the "Central Plains" are "ours."



Vietnam symbol


The Chinese say that the rebellious Hong Kong people have Vietnamese descent, and their hatred of Vietnam is much deeper than their hatred of Hong Kong people. When the Chinese talk about Hong Kong, they are always naive and confident because "Hong Kong has returned", "Hong Kong is China" and therefore "our"; but Vietnam has become independent, and in reality and international politics, The pro-American anti-China, the Chinese know that they can't say anything. Even because the text is already different, what the Vietnamese are thinking, the Chinese do not even know what to do.



In the Chinese world, the symbol of Vietnam, like the Opium War, makes the heavens no longer in the sky, it is their inner pain. Hong Kong people strive to live their lives in the way they live. In the eyes of Chinese official media, they are closed and refusal to integrate with China. They are a dark and unique project of "going to China", and Vietnam is a classic example of going to China. They even scrapped Chinese characters and changed their phonetic characters; of course, South Korea too. What once had a relationship has gradually become unrecognizable.



Vietnam has defeated the Chinese army on its own for about a thousand years and has achieved actual independence. The national hero worshipped in Vietnam did not resist the Chinese army or invaded China. Vietnamese people have been good at making great powers since ancient times. In terms of modern standards, they are people who dare to fight and dare to fight for independence before the Empire. But in the universe of Greater China, they are the villains who resist the empire of the world. They are the obstacles that lead the king to be "the king of the world" and the Tao cannot be "one way out."



The Chinese people’s remorse for South Korea, Vietnam and other symbols are now projected into Hong Kong and Vietnamese people are used to make Hong Kong, showing this historical subconscious. China’s Hong Kong rights promised to the world and Hong Kong have never been realized; military and police violence has hit people and even murdered, and gangsters have participated in the crackdown. Many Chinese people regard it as a micro-detail. The most important thing is "one China" and "Hong Kong is China." "." They can't see the people in Hong Kong bleed. They only see "Vietnam" coming again: others want to be independent from the empire. This is their nightmare. Injustice, death, hatred, tears...not the one they care the most.



The Chinese are complacent and self-sufficient in their own and even the "China" political and religious order. In this respect, although Chinese, Hong Kong and Taiwanese are actually three environments, the three people’s a priori recognition of "Chinese culture" is consistent in the absence of true reflection and criticism
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