Ultra Far Right Nationalism on the rise in Europe and Russia

[p(-)0ENiX]

It would not Erope any more. It will be Eurabia. Europe=Christianity.

Nah, I am not saying Europeans should convert to Islam. As I said earlier, people have the right to believe in any religion they want, that's none of my business.

Personally, I don't think Europe is equal to Christianity. The Greco-Roman civilizations happen to be some of my favorites & they weren't Christian. Christianity was successful in giving Europeans an alternate identity to replace the Roman one with after the fall of Rome though.

 

[RangerPK]

Please put away your dreams of conquest.

What is it with Pakistanis and delusions of global conquest?

When did I talk about "conquests"

 

[vostok]

Why would western Europe fall? Did the western Europe fell, when the Roman empire was killing Pagans and converting them to Christianity? A religion from Middle East, Jesus Christ, a man who was from the family of Prophet Ibrahim?

Prophet Muhammad is also from the family of Prophet Ibrahim, from his son Ismail. A religion from Middle East.
A religion which started from prophet Adam, and continued through, Prophet, Ibrahim, his two sons, Isaaq and Ismail, to Prophet Moses to Prophet Jesus, and has reached its conclusion upon Prophet Muhammad, the last of Prophet of God. Thus it only makes sense for Christians in Europe to accept the conclusion of their religion which is Islam.

PS: Europe has been Muslims before, Spain being one example.

Will you accept Saudi Arabia or Pakistan as a Christian nation? Will consider them the same Pakistan and Saudi Arabia?
Religion is something deep - you can not change reigiyu and stay the same.
And the fact that the Arabs conquered the Iberian Peninsula - it was not Spain, it was the Caliphate, not Spain.

 

[vostok]

Nah, I am not saying Europeans should convert to Islam. As I said earlier, people have the right to believe in any religion they want, that's none of my business.

Personally, I don't think Europe is equal to Christianity. The Greco-Roman civilizations happen to be some of my favorites & they weren't Christian. Christianity was successful in giving Europeans an alternate identity to replace the Roman one with after the fall of Rome though.

Greco-Roman civilizations - not Europe civilizations. They are aincent Mediterranian civilizations.
Europe starts in Middle Ages

 

[p(-)0ENiX]

Greco-Roman civilizations - not Europe civilizations. They are aincent Mediterranian civilizations.
Europe starts Middle Ages

The Greco-Roman civilizations are an important part of European history. The ancient Roman civilization is among some of the most famous & respected European civilizations. Besides the word or Europe or the name for the continent "Europa" originates from Greek mythology. It's just one example of numerous contributions made by the Greeks & Romans to modern day Europe.

However, I do see your point. You believe that Europe's identity is Christian, there is nothing wrong with. Religion does have an influence on culture & to some extent is an important part of a people's identity.

Anyway, I will comeback to this thread later, it's about to be breakfast time here.

 

[RangerPK]

Will you accept Saudi Arabia or Pakistan as a Christian nation? Will consider them the same Pakistan and Saudi Arabia?
Religion is something deep - you can not change reigiyu and stay the same.
And the fact that the Arabs conquered the Iberian Peninsula - it was not Spain, it was the Caliphate, not Spain.

From religious point of view, Islam is the conclusion of Christianity, because Prophet Muhammad is from Prophet Ibrahim's son, Ismail.

As long as Europeans are Christians, then Europeans are more likely to become Muslims more than any other religion, like I said, Islam is the next step in Christianity.

If you are talking about sociological point of view, when people refuse to accept a Prophet, because of their "egos" and "arrogance" then that can be viewed from different angle....


From cultural point of view, Europe had conservative values, like marriage, chastity, promoting heterosexuality, but now just recently ( after America's sex revolution), the European states are imposing this extreme form of liberalism in which they are throwing conventional morality down the toilet. This is leaving a vacuum in European society and Islam can fill that gap.

 

[vostok]

From religious point of view, Islam is the conclusion of Christianity, because Prophet Muhammad is from Prophet Ibrahim's son, Ismail.

As long as Europeans are Christians, then Europeans are more likely to become Muslims more than any other religion, like I said, Islam is the next step in Christianity.

If you are talking about sociological point of view, when people refuse to accept a Prophet, because of their "egos" and "arrogance" then that can be viewed from different angle....


From cultural point of view, Europe had conservative values, like marriage, chastity, promoting heterosexuality, but now just recently ( after America's sex revolution), the European states are imposing this extreme form of liberalism in which they are throwing conventional morality down the toilet. This is leaving a vacuum in European society and Islam can fill that gap.

However, the fact that Christianity and Islam have their roots in Judaism - does not change anything.
You would not like to see your country has changed the religious identity only on the basis of their adjacency, forgetting centuries of history and denying identity?
Non-Christian Europe - not Europe.

 

[vostok]

The Greco-Roman civilizations are an important part of European history. The ancient Roman civilization is among some of the most famous & respected European civilizations. Besides the word or Europe or the name for the continent "Europa" originates from Greek mythology. It's just one example of numerous contributions made by the Greeks & Romans to modern day Europe.

However, I do see your point. You believe that Europe's identity is Christian, there is nothing wrong with. Religion does have an influence on culture & to some extent is an important part of a people's identity.

Anyway, I will comeback to this thread later, it's about to be breakfast time here.

The Greeks learned a lot from the Egyptians, Romans from the Greeks, the Europeans - from the Romans.
But it's completely different civilizations. The Roman Empire was a certain ideal for medieval Europeans civilizations, but they have surpassed it in everything.
But Europe become modern Europe - West Civilization just becouse of Christianity. This is the basis of European civilization.
You, too, think that Islam - the basis of the Arab civilization? Who would you be without this religion? Bunch disparate eternally warring tribes.
Likewise, Europeans still would have remained wild forest barbarians.
And the whole world would have been different, do not take Europe to Christianity. There would not be a technical progress at all.

 

[RangerPK]

However, the fact that Christianity and Islam have their roots in Judaism - does not change anything.
You would not like to see your country has changed the religious identity only on the basis of their adjacency, forgetting centuries of history and denying identity?
Non-Christian Europe - not Europe.

The Europeans have changed their "identity" before, and is religion really that much of a central part of European identity? really? Judging by what we see today, Europeans are getting tired of Christianity and are just Christians by name, some not even that, they have started to convert to agnosticism, or atheism as well. If anything, Europeans have started to move away from Christian "identity".

 

[vostok]

The Europeans have changed their "identity" before, and is religion really that much of a central part of European identity? really? Judging by what we see today, Europeans are getting tired of Christianity and are just Christians by name, some not even that, they have started to convert to agnosticism, or atheism as well. If anything, Europeans have started to move away from Christian "identity".

Yes, the Europeans changing their identity. And with that cease to be Europeans. I do not know who they will be in a hundred years - Muslims, or transatlantic, but it will be non-Europeans.

 

[RangerPK]

Yes, the Europeans changing their identity. And with that cease to be Europeans. I do not know who they will be in a hundred years - Muslims, or transatlantic, but it will be non-Europeans.

I am pretty sure they would remain Europeans, regardless of what their religion might be. Similar, to how, Asians remain Asians, regardless of their religion, or how Africans remain Africans regardless of their religion, or even how, Americans remain Americans, regardless of their religion, or race for that matter, as proven by Obama.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Greco-Roman civilizations - not Europe civilizations. They are aincent Mediterranian civilizations.
Europe starts in Middle Ages

Greco-Roman was European, but the Christianity started as a foreign Middle Eastern religion, later it became europeanized in Europe.

And the ancient Russia/Ukraine was Scythia, you also think it was not European?

 

[RangerPK]

The Greeks learned a lot from the Egyptians, Romans from the Greeks, the Europeans - from the Romans.
But it's completely different civilizations. The Roman Empire was a certain ideal for medieval Europeans civilizations, but they have surpassed it in everything.
But Europe become modern Europe - West Civilization just becouse of Christianity. This is the basis of European civilization.
You, too, think that Islam - the basis of the Arab civilization? Who would you be without this religion? Bunch disparate eternally warring tribes.
Likewise, Europeans still would have remained wild forest barbarians.
And the whole world would have been different, do not take Europe to Christianity. There would not be a technical progress at all.

If you think, Christianity made what Europe is today, then it is probably because of Christian values in Europe, but now, those Christian values are disappearing in Europe? Does Europe need a Religion of Christian values? If so, don't you think Islam is the next best candidate for that? if not Christianity?

This is what I mean when I say, there is a vacuum in Europe right now, which needs to be filled, and it is being filled by Islam right now, because Christianity is not filling it....

 

[vostok]

I am pretty sure they would remain Europeans, regardless of what their religion might be. Similar, to how, Asians remain Asians, regardless of their religion, or how Africans remain Africans regardless of their religion, or even how, Americans remain Americans, regardless of their religion, or race for that matter, as proven by Obama.

They would remains habitants of European continent. That is all. European Civilization will fall and become history.
Imagine all Arabian Country become Christians. They will remaine Arabs, but Arabian Civilization will fall.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

They would remains habitants of European continent. That is all. European Civilization will fall and become history.
Imagine all Arabian Country become Christians. They will remaine Arabs, but Arabian Civilization will fall.

Most Arabs were Christians during the pre-Islamic era.