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U.S. will aim to persuade others to 'call out' China over Uighurs at U.N. - Pompeo

Rebiya Kadeer: President of World Uyghur Congress. It's her 7th time visiting Japan. Below is a lot of (but not all) from her 20 min presentation and the Q&A. Take it for what you can. Possibility of exaggerations, etc. Of course, CCP is not trustworthy.. so anyway, take it for what you can. But I'm sure the beef of it is not off the mark.

The situation in East Turkestan (Xinjiang) has become worse under Xi Jinping. 1,000s of Uyghur have ran away from East Turkestan to neighboring countries while PRC continues to claim that they brought prosperity to the region. Before him, Uyghur protesters would typically get arrested and go through a trial with the decision of death or jail time. Now the police are quicker to just shoot to kill rather than arresting.

An example of an incident giving that happened on July 27th, 2014, a group of women wanted to pray in a house while the men were praying at a Mosque during Ramadan. The Chinese security forces broke into the house on the basis of illegal religious activity and killed 12 people including a 3 year old and a 70 year old woman. When the Uyghur men returned, they naturally protested the brutality, moving the dead bodies to in front of a police station. The Uyghur wanted those that made the raid into the house to be punished. But the police just opened fire on the protesting Uyghurs resulting in 100s dead including children. Chinese media Xinhua reported it as China security forces killing terrorists. Then the Chinese military launched an operation using helicopters against 3 villages resulting 100s more killed. The international media just quoted Xinhua as to what happened. But when international reporters went into Xinjiang to investigate, the Xinhua admitted that there was a crackdown. There was a smilar use of helicopters attacking a village in the year before.

Under the title of War on Terror, the each Uyghur is easily made suspect by the Chinese security forces under Xi Jinping. All people in China receive an identification card. But unlike all the other cards, the Uyghur cards have a chip inside which will make a sound whenever scanned, thus prompting a search on the individual Uyghur.

There is police and military forces all over so incidents of violence and disappearances happen everyday through out East Turkestan. The Chinese government claims it is all internal affairs so they say that the international community has no right to interfere but Rebiya Kadeer is claiming that the situation warrants international interference because of how bad the situation has become.

To a question about the Thai bombing suspecting Uyghur action and the killing of Han Chinese by knives at Kunming train station, her reply was that such actions are condemned World Uighur Congress. But she went on saying that in the case of the Kunming train station incident, the Chinese had a secret trial with the captured suspects and killed three of them. No information was released so the World Uighur Congress is trying to gather information they can about it and that things can't be confirmed because of how the Chinese government handled handles it. Another point was that 20 years ago, such high tensions between the Han and Uyghur didn't exist although the Uyghurs were always suppressed. But that it has gotten far worse and that is causing the Uyghurs to become violent recently. An example to another question was of religious repression. Chinese security forces forced Uygurs to eat in front of them during Ramadan, a period when they don't normally eat.

Another point during the Q&A, the Chinese government keeps the Uyghurs that live within Chinese borders separate from international news. So they have no idea what goes on outside of China. If any is caught listening to international news, they get 10-12 years jail time.

Another point is that the World Uighur Congress wishes countries to have good relations and economic relations with China but they wish for those democratic countries to raise the issues in Xinjiang and the repression of the Uyghur people when dealing with China.

In 2006, China made a policy of transfering Uyghur girls and women from East Turkestan into the mainland and in 2007 they said they transferred 24,000 girls, completing the policy. Any parents that resisted were accused as terrorists and put in jail. SInce then, the Chinese government continued to transfer girls. The excuse giving is that they are providing jobs. But that has to be a lie because on the flip side, China is transferring many Han to East Turkestan and building housing, etc, for them to work. SO jobs could have been provided for the girls in East Turkestan, so goes that argument. Uyghurs don't have the right to work in the resource rich land of East Turkestan (Xinjiang). 86% of the Uyghur population are farmers but the Chinese have been confiscating the farm land and when the Uygurs protests, they get beaten. Every Uyghur family has someone that has spend years in prison.

 
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Rebiya Kadeer: President of World Uyghur Congress. It's her 7th time visiting Japan. Below is a lot of (but not all) from her 20 min presentation and the Q&A. Take it for what you can. Possibility of exaggerations, etc. Of course, CCP is not trustworthy.. so anyway, take it for what you can. But I'm sure the beef of it is not off the mark.

The situation in East Turkestan (Xinjiang) has become worse under Xi Jinping. 1,000s of Uyghur have ran away from East Turkestan to neighboring countries while PRC continues to claim that they brought prosperity to the region. Before him, Uyghur protesters would typically get arrested and go through a trial with the decision of death or jail time. Now the police are quicker to just shoot to kill rather than arresting.

An example of an incident giving that happened on July 27th, 2014, a group of women wanted to pray in a house while the men were praying at a Mosque during Ramadan. The Chinese security forces broke into the house on the basis of illegal religious activity and killed 12 people including a 3 year old and a 70 year old woman. When the Uyghur men returned, they naturally protested the brutality, moving the dead bodies to in front of a police station. The Uyghur wanted those that made the raid into the house to be punished. But the police just opened fire on the protesting Uyghurs resulting in 100s dead including children. Chinese media Xinhua reported it as China security forces killing terrorists. Then the Chinese military launched an operation using helicopters against 3 villages resulting 100s more killed. The international media just quoted Xinhua as to what happened. But when international reporters went into Xinjiang to investigate, the Xinhua admitted that there was a crackdown. There was a smilar use of helicopters attacking a village in the year before.

Under the title of War on Terror, the each Uyghur is easily made suspect by the Chinese security forces under Xi Jinping. All people in China receive an identification card. But unlike all the other cards, the Uyghur cards have a chip inside which will make a sound whenever scanned, thus prompting a search on the individual Uyghur.

There is police and military forces all over so incidents of violence and disappearances happen everyday through out East Turkestan. The Chinese government claims it is all internal affairs so they say that the international community has no right to interfere but Rebiya Kadeer is claiming that the situation warrants international interference because of how bad the situation has become.

To a question about the Thai bombing suspecting Uyghur action and the killing of Han Chinese by knives at Kunming train station, her reply was that such actions are condemned World Uighur Congress. But she went on saying that in the case of the Kunming train station incident, the Chinese had a secret trial with the captured suspects and killed three of them. No information was released so the World Uighur Congress is trying to gather information they can about it and that things can't be confirmed because of how the Chinese government handled handles it. Another point was that 20 years ago, such high tensions between the Han and Uyghur didn't exist although the Uyghurs were always suppressed. But that it has gotten far worse and that is causing the Uyghurs to become violent recently. An example to another question was of religious repression. Chinese security forces forced Uygurs to eat in front of them during Ramadan, a period when they don't normally eat.

Another point during the Q&A, the Chinese government keeps the Uyghurs that live within Chinese borders separate from international news. So they have no idea what goes on outside of China. If any is caught listening to international news, they get 10-12 years jail time.

Another point is that the World Uighur Congress wishes countries to have good relations and economic relations with China but they wish for those democratic countries to raise the issues in Xinjiang and the repression of the Uyghur people when dealing with China.

In 2006, China made a policy of transfering Uyghur girls and women from East Turkestan into the mainland and in 2007 they said they transferred 24,000 girls, completing the policy. Any parents that resisted were accused as terrorists and put in jail. SInce then, the Chinese government continued to transfer girls. The excuse giving is that they are providing jobs. But that has to be a lie because on the flip side, China is transferring many Han to East Turkestan and building housing, etc, for them to work. SO jobs could have been provided for the girls in East Turkestan, so goes that argument. Uyghurs don't have the right to work in the resource rich land of East Turkestan (Xinjiang). 86% of the Uyghur population are farmers but the Chinese have been confiscating the farm land and when the Uygurs protests, they get beaten. Every Uyghur family has someone that has spend years in prison.


No east turkestan in the world, forget it!
 
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Check the last edited date troll-mate.
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Can't provide a link to the source that is doing the debunking?
Didnt read the post you are replying to or can't come up with anything halfway intelligent to say to back up your lies? I'm naming your so called sources, you and your Wikipedia troll buddies incorrectly cite and obfuscate. You are the one who started parrotting lies with selfevidently false sources, you are not making any demands here for "sources".

I repeat. The "note" you cited, cites an article that was, as noted in your sources source, edited (after they where called out the same way as I did = debunked) for falsely attributing it to a comperatively more trusted origin, when it was infact straight out of the mouth of a chain of directly U.S. employed and officially owned and controlled propaganda assets i.e. condensed bullshit from notoric liars like you. The fact that this chain ends in nirvana of random nameless people and nobodies comes on top of that.

Your story doesnt match up with what you cite yourself, beyond of course repeating the same deliberately false/incorrect citations that are contradicted by your own sources source.
 
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What does Hypocrite US thinks about Kashmir

Make a thread in the South Asia section?

Didnt read the post you are replying to or can't come up with anything halfway intelligent to say to back up your lies? I'm naming your so called sources, you and your Wikipedia troll buddies incorrectly cite and obfuscate. I dont need to cite sources for that.

I repeat. The "note" you cited, cites an article that was, as noted in your sources source, edited (after they where called out the same way as I did = debunked) for falsely attributing it to a comperatively more trusted origin, when it was infact straight out of the mouth of a chain of directly U.S. employed and owned and controlled propaganda assets i.e. condensed bullshit from notoric liars like you without any sources.

Your story doesnt match up with what you cite yourself, beyond of course repeating the same deliberately false/incorrect citations that are contradicted by your own sources source.

Readers can judge for themselves about the wiki and how troll-mate stumbled into it.

Still waiting for a link to your debunking article.

100 Uyghurs marching in Tokyo.. "Free my family! Fascist China! Terrorists China!"
 
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Still waiting for a link to your debunking article.
The debunking of your "notes" is still in the post you avoided to give a valid answer and just deflected with a completely invalid request for a source when I dont need any because your own sources source had already admitted the error in the article with an edit. Here it is in a link format if that helps you.
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/u-s-...r-uighurs-at-u-n-pompeo.635008/#post-11765659

Repeating the same dumb invalid question doesnt make your blatant lies any better.
 
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The debunking of your "notes" is still in the post you avoided to give a valid answer and just deflecting by making a dumb request for a source when I dont need any. Here it is in a link format if that helps you.
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/u-s-...r-uighurs-at-u-n-pompeo.635008/#post-11765659

Repeating the same dumb invalid question doesnt make your blatant lies any better.

You said "the U.N. openly rejected these claims to be made in their name and that it is a U.N. report. "

But if the UN said it, it must be said in a report somewhere.

You gotta link it.

Otherwise its just another example of troll-art trying to defend Fascist CCP China.
 
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But if the UN said it, it must be said in a report somewhere.
Give me a link where the U.N. actually said anything you started to claim in first place. You can't. Because it never happend. You are just parotting bad liars to your convenience of trolling.

You are the one who started pushing this old many times debunked (here again because you love links https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/u-s-...r-uighurs-at-u-n-pompeo.635008/#post-11765659 ) lie for cheap trolling again, not me. You are not getting away with irrelevant demands to avoid fixing your own shit after you got called out.
 
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Give me a link where the U.N. actually said anything you started to claim. You can't. Because it never happend. You are just citing bad liars to your convenience of trolling.

You are the one who started pushing an old many times debunked (here again because you love links https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/u-s-...r-uighurs-at-u-n-pompeo.635008/#post-11765659 ) lie for cheap trolling, not me. You are not making demands before fixing your own shit.

China needs to allow the U.N. in to make an investigation first.
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UNITED NATIONS (Reuters) - United Nations Secretary-General Antonio Guterres raised the plight of Muslims in China’s Xinjiang region during a visit to Beijing last week, a U.N. spokesman said on Monday.

China has faced growing international condemnation for what it calls re-education and training centers in the remote western region. Activists say they are mass detention camps holding more than 1 million ethnic Uighurs and other Muslims.

China, which has shown diplomats its re-education centers, has told them that “absurd preachings” from Islamist extremists there had turned some people into “murderous devils.”

Guterres met with Chinese President Xi Jinping on Friday in Beijing on the sidelines of a summit on China’s Belt and Road initiative. However, U.N. sources said Guterres raised the situation in Xinjiang during a separate meeting with the Chinese government’s top diplomat Wang Yi.

“The Secretary-General discussed all relevant issues with the Chinese authorities ... that includes the situation in Xinjiang,” U.N. spokesman Stephane Dujarric told reporters on Monday. “What the Secretary-General told his Chinese interlocutors is that he fully stands by the initiatives of the (U.N.) High Commissioner for Human Rights Michelle Bachelet.”

Bachelet has repeatedly pushed China to allow the United Nations access to investigate reports of disappearances and arbitrary detentions, particularly of Muslims in the Xinjiang region. China has previously said it would welcome U.N. officials if they avoided “interfering in domestic matters.”

Dujarric said Guterres position on the issue was the same “in private as it is in public” and based on “the full respect for the unity and territorial integrity of China, condemnation of terrorist attacks as no cause or grievance can justify them, and that human rights must be fully respected in the fight against terrorism and in the prevention of violent extremism.”

“Each community must feel that its identity is respected and that it fully belongs to the nation as a whole,” he said.
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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...angs-uighurs-during-china-visit-idUSKCN1S51UI

You claimed the UN made a report openly rejecting such claims. But now try to wiggle your way out of having to provide a link. Low class troll of no shame.

Just another one of the left over trolls after the bulk of the CCP trolls got pulled off PDF.




Talking about the plight of the Uyghurs in Xinjiang.
 
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China needs
You need to allow the U.N. to publicly investigate your home for promoting and cooperating with terrorists. Don't like it? Then shut up?

Im still waiting for those "reliable" United Nations human rights panel statistics btw.

Why do you keep shamelessly demanding a source to contradict something you claimed without any valid sources in first place (because it never happend and that truth doesnt sell) even when your own sources source already confirmed (of course only in a less visbile later added sidenote) what I said is correct?
 
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No it doesnt.

Im still waiting for those "reliable" United Nations human rights panel statistics btw.

Why do you keep shamelessly demanding a source to contradict something you claimed without any valid sources in first place for the sake of trolling (because it never happend and that truth doesnt sell) even when your own sources source already confirmed (of course only in a less visbile later added sidenote) what I said is correct?

Reported.
 
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US is the root cause of many crisis and wars around the world, US calling out others is a joke which is not very funny.
 
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Reported.
So after all the crocodile tears about alleged victims of China, you hope you can somehow appeal to authorities to silence voices and censor factual information, even if its just pointing out selfevident contradictions and errors in your claims, omitted information from and about your own "sources" and pesky questions like a valid source for the things you started claiming?

The irony is strong with this one. I mean we all know you are just bumping your hollow propaganda thread with unintelligent comments and copy pasting old Google results at this point and get as quickly away from the comments on the first page exposing the blood soaked U.S. regime fingers and U.S. Dollars behind pretty much every angle of your narrative, but this is still hillarious.

P.S. I can provide the irrelevant link this troll just started asking for to distract from the lack of real sources he was called out for to any moderator in a PM on request before anyone ends up falling for these cheap troll tactics that also bet on mods just shutting down "unfruitful discussions" (due to his refusal to admit hes factually wrong which makes every single of his changing questions redundant). Its not a big deal, I'm just not feeding into the playbook of cheap trolls that puts everyone else to higher standards they themself disregard and evading responsibilities with unreasonable demands while they just dump cheap propaganda lies and spins with no effort.
 
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Wikipedia is a CIA controlled propaganda instrument. Here in Germany, anyone who dares to question the official narrative will be defamed in wikipedia.

Censorship – The organised manipulation of wikipedia and other media

The dark side of wikepedia
 
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Why not talk about Palestine and Kashmir?

US wants to create non-issues like Uyghur independence, and create dysfunctional proxy states like South Sudan, East Timor, and eventual Kurdistan puppet state.

They have no interest in solving genuine problems like Palestine, Kashmir, Somalia, Burma, or Indian fascism.

This will hurt their interests in the long run. Only Arab puppet regimes will support their fables.
 
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