U.S. Tells Germany to Drop Huawei or Face a Cut in Intelligence Sharing

[Viva_Viet]

Correct. Germany enjoys peace and prosperity under US security umbrella. Why should the Germans want to sacrifice this security umbrella for the sake of some Yuan? Making no sense.

I bet than all Cnese here r crying like babies when they realize that they will be in chaos in 2023 when German must ban Hwei like we said

 

[SEAISI]

I bet than all Cnese here r crying like babies when they realize that they will be in chaos in 2023 when German must ban Hwei like we said

The Indonesians are saying: "a good viettard is a dead viettard."

 

[Globenim]

Face a Cut in Intelligence Sharing

Its takes a Vietnamese bootlicker to consider not being spied on by the U.S. and not being used as a shiled against enemies of the U.S. as a threat and take this propaganda serious rather than a desperate face saving cope over the fact Germany never actually took the U.S. regimes lies about Huawei serious.

 

[yantong1980]

Correct. Germany enjoys peace and prosperity under US security umbrella. Why should the Germans want to sacrifice this security umbrella for the sake of some Yuan? Making no sense.

Why? Because German started to thinking how they gonna walk with nail stuck in their feet, and who are you? German will enjoy more prosperity and freedom without US dictate them how to dance Waltz LoL, I'm sorry but your little Vietnamese opinion defy the reality in the ground, and you know it didn't work. Oh yeah nice security umbrella with US in the past caught in their pants tapping Frau Merkel phones. Talking about sense? Go deal with your poor Vietnamese compatriot back home.

 

[Viet]

I bet than all Cnese here r crying like babies when they realize that they will be in chaos in 2023 when German must ban Hwei like we said

Can be the case if China peaceful rise is stopped.chinese here and elsewhere will cry a river. I wonder who trusts a company that is led by a former PLA man? Either way, the German Central intelligence has warned the government of using Huawei telecom gears.

http://m.spiegel.de/politik/deutsch...nte-bundesregierung-vor-huawei-a-1258014.html

Why? Because German started to thinking how they gonna walk with nail stuck in their feet, and who are you? German will enjoy more prosperity and freedom without US dictate them how to dance Waltz LoL, I'm sorry but your little Vietnamese opinion defy the reality in the ground, and you know it didn't work. Oh yeah nice security umbrella with US in the past caught in their pants tapping Frau Merkel phones. Talking about sense? Go deal with your poor Vietnamese compatriot back home.

The US spies on everyone. It’s just stupid thinking otherwise. Germany just needs to make sure their communications can’t be hacked.

Without US security umbrella, Germany must increase defense spending to at least $100 billion annually plus acquiring nuclear weapons for another $100 billion. Does anyone want to see that?

 

[Nan Yang]

If Germany builds its 5G network using Huawei huawei technology, the U.S. will limit the intelligence it shares.

http://fortune.com/2019/03/12/germany-u-s-huawei-intelligence/

What will United States offer in return?

America first?

 

[Globenim]

Either way, the German Central intelligence has warned the government of using Huawei telecom gears.

Let me correct that for you.

A former BND chief who is now a lobbyists repeated the same old superficial baseless accusations about potential angles of risks, which could all be claimed about any U.S. provider and suppliers as well, without as much as a shred of evidence, in front of the German press, not the German government and the NATO/U.S. propaganda mouthpiece "Spiegel" falsely claimed the BND itself made that statement and only misleadingly said it was addressing the government, which can be said about just about anything publicly stated about politics or foreign relations.

Germany must increase defense spending to at least $100 billion annually plus acquiring nuclear weapons for another $100 billion.

Says who? Without designating itself as a battlefield for exported U.S. wars, punching bag and proxy of the U.S. regime and without U.S. bases and other assets to aid U.S. led attacks against Russia and Middle Eastern countries, defense spending may as well drop.

 

[Jlaw]

The more I see of US desperation against Huawei, the more I think that they have nothing to compete against this company. Why? Doesn't the US known as the master of technology in this planet? They should develop another 5G technology to compete against Huawei, to show their superiority. But no! They rather use their political measure to fight against Huawei.

So what happen to US? Isn't it better to develop a better 5G and compete Huawei in a common ground? These acts of political bully will only tell people that Huawei is so superior in 5G technology, and US is so desperate and helpless.

US cannot compete. Most white Americans who get in ivey league school cheated to get in. Currently there is a education scandal going on in US. No one posted this here.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/12/us/college-admissions-cheating-scandal.html

 

[Brainsucker]

Killing and looting CN is much easier thing to do as PLA is very stupid and corrupt and only know human wave tactic.

Chaos is coming to CN ( in 2023) when German must ban Hwei to save her car industry.

I don't know why, but I always laugh out loud when reading your comment. Hahaha.

 

[Viva_Viet]

Let me correct that for you.

A former BND chief who is now a lobbyists repeated the same old superficial baseless accusations about potential angles of risks, which could all be claimed about any U.S. provider and suppliers as well, without as much as a shred of evidence, in front of the German press, not the German government and the NATO/U.S. propaganda mouthpiece "Spiegel" falsely claimed the BND itself made that statement and only misleadingly said it was addressing the government, which can be said about just about anything publicly stated about politics or foreign relations.


Says who? Without designating itself as a battlefield for exported U.S. wars, punching bag and proxy of the U.S. regime and without U.S. bases and other assets to aid U.S. led attacks against Russia and Middle Eastern countries, defense spending may as well drop.

If German cant sell car to US, then she will got hyper inflation again. At that time, she also will not able to buy 5G even when she want to.

And German will collapse together wt CN when her car industry collapse . CN will still collapse anyway

 

[Viet]

Let me correct that for you.

A former BND chief who is now a lobbyists repeated the same old superficial baseless accusations about potential angles of risks, which could all be claimed about any U.S. provider and suppliers as well, without as much as a shred of evidence, in front of the German press, not the German government and the NATO/U.S. propaganda mouthpiece "Spiegel" falsely claimed the BND itself made that statement and only misleadingly said it was addressing the government, which can be said about just about anything publicly stated about politics or foreign relations.


Says who? Without designating itself as a battlefield for exported U.S. wars, punching bag and proxy of the U.S. regime and without U.S. bases and other assets to aid U.S. led attacks against Russia and Middle Eastern countries, defense spending may as well drop.

It’s not baseless. China security law of 2016 demands every company and citizen to support China central intelligence. China government and institutions monitor and record every single movement of all citizens in the country and abroad. Or do you want to deny that?

 

[OCguy]

US cannot compete. Most white Americans who get in ivey league school cheated to get in. Currently there is a education scandal going on in US. No one posted this here.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/12/us/college-admissions-cheating-scandal.html

Not only wrong but incredibly racist. Yikes.

 

[Crypto]

"Since there is no way to prove the absence of malicious code or vulnerabilities in any piece of hardware or software, ultimately one has to trust the manufacturer to keep devices secure and not exploit vulnerabilities. This trust heavily depends on the legal and regulatory system in which the manufacturer operates. So it is not just about trusting Huawei or ZTE but trusting China. There are many good reasons to distrust China. Yet, governments should be cautious not to conflate issues with China's geopolitical strategy, industrial policies or espionage with the trustworthiness and resilience of our future mobile networks. The trustworthiness and resilience of mobile networks depend not just on the robustness of 5G standards but how those standards are implemented by the manufacturer and how securely these systems are configured and managed by the operator. On these four levels – standards, implementation, configuration and operation – proper threat modelling and risk minimization can go a long way toward addressing threats such as espionage or network disruption. Independent of the question whether to ban Chinese manufacturers, European member states should follow a risk minimization approach via regulation on all four levels."

The US manufacturers also have vulnerabilities in their systems but due to strong justice system in US, countries rely and still buy these.


This is a good paper by a German think tank on 5G from a national security perspective.
https://www.stiftung-nv.de/sites/default/files/5g_vs._national_security.pdf

 

[Viet]

"Since there is no way to prove the absence of malicious code or vulnerabilities in any piece of hardware or software, ultimately one has to trust the manufacturer to keep devices secure and not exploit vulnerabilities. This trust heavily depends on the legal and regulatory system in which the manufacturer operates. So it is not just about trusting Huawei or ZTE but trusting China. There are many good reasons to distrust China. Yet, governments should be cautious not to conflate issues with China's geopolitical strategy, industrial policies or espionage with the trustworthiness and resilience of our future mobile networks. The trustworthiness and resilience of mobile networks depend not just on the robustness of 5G standards but how those standards are implemented by the manufacturer and how securely these systems are configured and managed by the operator. On these four levels – standards, implementation, configuration and operation – proper threat modelling and risk minimization can go a long way toward addressing threats such as espionage or network disruption. Independent of the question whether to ban Chinese manufacturers, European member states should follow a risk minimization approach via regulation on all four levels."

The US manufacturers also have vulnerabilities in their systems but due to strong justice system in US, countries rely and still buy these.


This is a good paper by a German think tank on 5G from a national security perspective.
https://www.stiftung-nv.de/sites/default/files/5g_vs._national_security.pdf

Bingo. It’s not about if we trust Huawei or not but if we trust China and it’s institutions? The answer is No. Huawei telecom gears can be free of any spying shit but if China government demands Huawei to hand over all data of customers including the Germans, can Huawei deny it? Obviously not. China security law of 2016 clearly stipulates
“
Chinese citizens and companies alike, participation in ‘intelligence work’ is a legal responsibility and obligation, regardless of geographic boundaries.”

 

[Viva_Viet]

Bingo. It’s not about if we trust Huawei or not but if we trust China and it’s institutions? The answer is No. Huawei telecom gears can be free of any spying shit but if China government demands Huawei to hand over all data of customers including the Germans, can Huawei deny it? Obviously not. China security law of 2016 clearly stipulates
“
Chinese citizens and companies alike, participation in ‘intelligence work’ is a legal responsibility and obligation, regardless of geographic boundaries.”

German must ban Hwei as soon as possible to save her car industry. Volkswagen, BMW r losing billions USD in US market and soon will go broke now