U.S. Navy sends message to Iran by testing AGM-176 Griffin missiles in the Gulf

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

The LCS went the way of the bradley - over engineering and changing requirements messed it up.

What is needed for that region is FAC-67M types numbers supporting a few LCS.
arm them with griffin systems and then see the boghammer types go plink plink one by one.

tbh I think the silent gamechanger is the loitering munition.

Depending on how you design them, you can plausibly have a system that can loiter long enough to find and take out these swarm boats. You can deploy dozens over an area using a JSOW. Each submunition can stay in the air and, potentially, fly around to spread the coverage area.

 

[Hack-Hook]

@SQ8 Sea Griffin with dual seeker, range >20km tested?

Aimed specifically at Iranian Patrol
Boat swarms - it will be like shooting ducks in a pond.

if we send gunboat to face usa cruisers . by the way dose gunboats have a speed around 100+km , they are based on one of the fastest boats available . I wonder what was the speed of the target in this wargame

Don't know why but for some strange reason, the Iranian gunboats decided to stay away?

All that chimpanzee style chest beating Iranians have been doing since Millenium Challenge (2002), is nowhere to be seen today.

why we must enter the war game designated area , that's a dangerous and irresponsible move usually attempted by centcom terrorist forces
by the way if we want to observe the wargame we will send one of our stealth drones and watch it without them knowing about it

That is pretty much a check mate against Iranian swarm attack strategy. It is a low cost and potent solution to tackle any Irani offensive in straits. Now US developing balls big enough is entirely another matter. So far it looks like Iran bitch slapping US at every turn. How the might have fallen

not exactly , 8km if fired from ship , 20km if fired from airplanes
the nasr missile our boat carry has 35km range and their torpedoes 10+km of range
the system is only can be used against gunboats

 

[Muhammed45]

The Zulfiqar missile boats can carry 2 Noor missiles with a range of 35 KM to 170 KM based upon the launching platform.

This American joke has maximum range of 20 KM.

You cannot resist against an Army of bees using knives. They will go through.

Morover American bases including 5th fleet will be annihiliated in the first round of fight.

 

[K_Bin_W]

Morover American bases including 5th fleet will be annihiliated in the first round of fight. A

Exactly the reason why Amreekan g-khujli stops right in its tracks... it's quick to hit Sudan, eyraq, a-stan, Syria and a lot more but when it comes to noko or eyran it's reduced to full fledged chakka dance.

 

[Abid123]

if we send gunboat to face usa cruisers . by the way dose gunboats have a speed around 100+km , they are based on one of the fastest boats available . I wonder what was the speed of the target in this wargame

why we must enter the war game designated area , that's a dangerous and irresponsible move usually attempted by centcom terrorist forces
by the way if we want to observe the wargame we will send one of our stealth drones and watch it without them knowing about it

not exactly , 8km if fired from ship , 20km if fired from airplanes
the nasr missile our boat carry has 35km range and their torpedoes 10+km of range
the system is only can be used against gunboats

Placing more anti ship missiles along the coast would be a much better option than all of that. If I remember correctly the Persian Gulf is only 300 km width.

 

[Hack-Hook]

Placing more anti ship missiles along the coast would be a much better option than all of that. If I remember correctly the Persian Gulf is only 300 km width.

thats an static line , and for that we must use larger range missiles . putting it on boats add another options to the mix ,and all the missile wont come from one direction , they come from everywhere.
also as i said there is no applicable defense against them , unless they use their far more expensive missiles and they are not designed to counter small vessels . or send their helicopters and then we can fill sky with this marvel

its cheap ,its compact , t can turn sky into a nightmare and it can stay in the sky in all the time of conflict . it can be as slow as tens of km/sec while loitering and as fast as hundreds of km/sec when it pick up a target and it can travel up to 100km away

 

[Oldman1]

people need to realize that swarming tactics were a theoretical desperate strategy of an Iran with 89s,90s capability.

Iran today has enough shore to sea missiles, surface to surface missiles. to absolutely anahilate not only the 5th fleet, but their base and host country in a couple of hours.

Smaller boats are used for Patrols, visibility, and possibly to capture and or finish off crippled american naval vessels in the persian gulf that have eaten missiles, mines, drones, suicide boats..... Iran is even experimenting with anti-ship ballistic missiles..... and super cavitating torpedos and mini subs

swarm a naval target with suicide drones, boats, and shower them with sea based anti-ship missiles. in a tiny lake called the Persian gulf, and see how long they last (not very long I assure you)

the US knows what a poor strategic situation they are in. thats they they ALWAYS choose to stand down when a conflcit with IRan starts...

it started with this:

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The Americans stood down after Iran shot down their 500 million dollar stealth drone...

the Americans stood down after the Iranian military openly fired on their base in Iraq (something no nation has dared to do in peace time post ww2) and the US stood down...


When there was tension, the 5th fleet actually got out of the persian gulf, especially the carriers. the US knows how vulnerable they are... Iran would actually be sad to see them leave at this point to be honest.... they are absolute hostages.

Actually Iran is the absolute hostage considering where it is on the map and surrounded by military forces and as you have pointed, the U.S. can easily pull ships out and hit Iran from afar weaken it. Iran knows how vulnerable it is. And considering that the new IRBMs and hypersonics that Iran can't counter.

Placing more anti ship missiles along the coast would be a much better option than all of that. If I remember correctly the Persian Gulf is only 300 km width.

Putting missiles on the coast is a bad idea because it makes it easier to get hit from the sea. Thats why you see Iran prefer to shoot missiles from the mountains or deep inside Iran.

tbh I think the silent gamechanger is the loitering munition.

Depending on how you design them, you can plausibly have a system that can loiter long enough to find and take out these swarm boats. You can deploy dozens over an area using a JSOW. Each submunition can stay in the air and, potentially, fly around to spread the coverage area.

Loitering munitions or multiple missiles is the way to go. Once you deal with Iran's air defense, their boats are vulnerable since they have little to no air defense.

 

[Sineva]

Placing more anti ship missiles along the coast would be a much better option than all of that. If I remember correctly the Persian Gulf is only 300 km width.

Iran very likely has more mobile ashcm [and also ashbm] launchers than anyone else in the mena region,so it wouldnt just be fac swarms by themselves engaging any hypothetical us,or for that matter any other enemy naval forces.
Its almost certain that any naval battle of the sort envisaged would`ve taken place in the strait of hormuz,as that is the only entrance and exit to the persian gulf.If you look at a map of the strait of hormuz you can see that not only is it very,very narrow,with only a very small number of deep water channels,but also thanks to its rather unique geography,that a [land based] defender can fire on any naval force making an opposed transit from up to 3 directions at once,this by itself is probably a literal nightmare scenario for any naval force commander,and when you throw in the facs as well....

Personally tho,I dont think theres really very much chance of these sorts of scenarios coming to pass these days,indeed I dont think that this has been a very realistic military scenario for the last 10-15+ years.
These sorts of scenarios are basically a relic of a certain time period dating from the mid 80s right thru to the early to mid 2000s,as after that both the quantity and quality of irans naval area denial capabilities began to increase enormously,and this trend has only continued right up to the present day.
I would imagine that in reality prior to the kick off of any open hostilities between iran and the us,one would see the us naval forces evacuating the persian gulf for the relative safety of the indian ocean or even perhaps the red sea.

 

[Muhammad Saftain Anjum]

Loitering munitions or multiple missiles is the way to go.

Yes loitering munitions can play decisive role.
For Iran,its navy can out number US navy by deploying large no. of missile boats.

For US,it can counter these boats simply by arming its MQ 9 B type UCAVs with 10km range ammunitions.
Imagine a MQ 9 hovering over sea for 24 hours and hunting the missile boats and gun boats.it will be game changer for US.
It can also give serious blow to Iranian defence systems.

Similarly these roles can be accomplished by Iranian UCAVs but US warships are quite large with highly capable defence systems.

Another game changer option is to deploy AI mini submarines. But this is the thing of future.

 

[Muhammed45]

Yes loitering munitions can play decisive role.
For Iran,its navy can out number US navy by deploying large no. of missile boats.

For US,it can counter these boats simply by arming its MQ 9 B type UCAVs with 10km range ammunitions.
Imagine a MQ 9 hovering over sea for 24 hours and hunting the missile boats and gun boats.it will be game changer for US.
It can also give serious blow to Iranian defence systems.

Similarly these roles can be accomplished by Iranian UCAVs but US warships are quite large with highly capable defence systems.

Another game changer option is to deploy AI mini submarines. But this is the thing of future.

You have to Ask yourself, which base is gonna host those platforms that you mentioned?
All of their bases within 2500 KM is well within range of Iranian pin point missiles.

Nothing can save Americans here in Persian Gulf.

 

[Muhammad Saftain Anjum]

You have to Ask yourself, which base is gonna host those platforms that you mentioned?
All of their bases within 2500 KM is well within range of Iranian pin point missiles.

Nothing can save Americans here in Persian Gulf.

It will be US who will start war not you.
So before you launch your missiles,their assests will already disperse in open ocean.

 

[Muhammed45]

It will be US who will start war not you.
So before you launch your missiles,their assests will already disperse in open ocean.

Disperse to where?

 

[Muhammed45]

Actually Iran is the absolute hostage considering where it is on the map and surrounded by military forces and as you have pointed, the U.S. can easily pull ships out and hit Iran from afar weaken it. Iran knows how vulnerable it is. And considering that the new IRBMs and hypersonics that Iran can't counter.

The real hostages are American forces within 2500 KM radius.

Increasing distance from Iranian shores gives more chance to Iranian defense forces to shoot down the incoming threats. First and most important one would be defusing the threat of American fighter jets. The ACs would have to have the most possible distance from Iranian A2/AD assets. Hence defusing fighter jets threat. Iranian radars can Track American cruise missiles from miles away and prepare to engage.

Putting missiles on the coast is a bad idea because it makes it easier to get hit from the sea. Thats why you see Iran prefer to shoot missiles from the mountains or deep inside Iran.

What a retarded post. Do you really think that those missiles under the mountains are aimed at American ships?
. Their main mission is destroying American bases within 2500 KM Range.

Iranian anti ship missiles will be fired from tens of submarines. Not only from the beach lines.

munitions or multiple missiles is the way to go. Once you deal with Iran's air defense, their boats are vulnerable since they have little to no air defense.

Boats won't engage until getting assured of destruction of American bases, ships and fighter jets.

New naval version of Sejjil missiles can hit ships from 2000 KM away with pin point accuracy and manuverable warheads.

You Americans look like desperate crippo trying to scape the main issue.

 

[Muhammad Saftain Anjum]

Disperse to where?

In open ocean.
Anti ship ballistic missiles can not handle moving warships.

 

[Muhammed45]

In open ocean.
Anti ship ballistic missiles can not handle moving warships.

Manuvering warheads can do it.

@skyshadow dear brother, can you help us with Iranian manuverable warheads?

You Posted its pictures, i can't find them now. Unfortunately i can't find it on the web too.