U.S. Embassy in Turkey

[LegionnairE]

Well, it seems that Soeharto effect starts to kick Erdogan around.

For your insight, Soeharto was the 2nd Indonesian President. He ruled Indonesia for 32 years. And guess what. When he fell, it's hurt as hell. It is the same to Soekarno, our first president, who ruled from 1945 to 1966. When he step down, it was also hurt as hell.

Now, it seems people start to hate Erdogan. It doesn't matter if he's a good leader or not. But because he rules too long, the opposition in his country become bigger and bigger. And that situation can be used by his political enemy, like US to make the situation worse. Specially, when he refuse to step down, and use anything necessary to protect his throne.

It also happen to Assad Syria, Gadaffi. And It seems that Putin is also overshadowed by the same fate as them. If Xi follow their step, he also can destroy China like them. Not because he wants to, but because his oppositions will become increase in number with the longer he sit in his throne.

If Erdogan and Putin managed to protect their seat to their death, The succession will goes like Venezuela or North Korea. Either it's their son or daughter will replace them, like Kim Il Sung, or one of their close follower succeed them, like in Venezuela.

Merkel ruled Germany for a long time, you can run a country for a long time and not be remembered as a villain. It's just that Erdo never was a real leader. He was a player in the game of politics.

He never had a real plan other than remaining in power for as long as he can and making himself as rich and as powerful as he can.

He promised to make Turkey a superpower by 2023, he managed to make it a graveyard instead. His promises were nothing more than marketing slogans.



He said he got "fooled" by the cultists in 2016 and now he's begging for forgiveness in the afterlife for botching the earhquake response.

He had 20 YEARS to prepare for this earthquake but he was too busy filling his pockets

 

[Otonom Piyade]

Petrodollar is America's biggest weakness. It's the way we (Muslims) will bring the U.S. down Insha Allah. I'm not afraid to plainly say this because the U.S. is already fighting us worldwide. These puppets you are trying to protect will collapse one after the other until the petrodollar is ended. Your military and economy will come to a screeching hault as dollar becomes toilet paper and defense budget plumets and your sanctions power evaporates.

Over time, many on this forum will know you are a liar, misinformer, propagandist, and deceiver. I'll intensify my efforts to educate Muslims on the REAL state of affairs around the Muslim world. I'll simply ignore your silly repetitions and continue to present logical arguments to open people's eyes. So, quit your psychological tactics cos it won't work on me InshaAllah.

No, because they killed thousands of people to achieve that. The worse is that he does this on the behest of his Western masters. But hey, it's not over yet. So, don't be too joyful of your temporary victory. Erdogan is sitting in Libya and building bases around Egypt in case Sisi gets the wrong idea and tries to militarily stop the establishment of an ISLAMIST democracy in Libya.

Time to differentiate between Salafists and hypocrites. Saudis and Emiratis bankroll brainwashed scholars who try to spread political quietism to pave the way for separating Mosque from State. This didn't and will never work. This is why they've all but stopped doing that. The real Salafis are the Qataris, Pakistanis, Libyans, Nigerians, Somalis, Turks, etc. We don't agree with quietism. We speak up and strive to maintain Islam's superiority over the state. Salafists aren't all the same.

I like this logic and thining.. in short, the bottom line is "Death to America" and "Death to all infidels, kuffars, and heathens"

 

[Trisolaran]

No! I do not like Erdogan because he is an Islamist, not because he is corrupt. I don't like Islamists, you know why? Because all Islamists give the wrong answer to the philosophical question I will write below.

Question: Suppose a claim in the Qur'an is disproved by falsifiable experiments. In other words, let the claim in the Qur'an be refuted by the scientific method. In that hypothetical case, would you still continue to believe in the Qur'an? Or do you say, "The Qur'an cannot be a holy book that contains such erroneous information"?

Even then, Islamists reject the scientific method!

For the Islamist, the scientific method is necessary only when manufacturing weapons. It is not necessary for living.

No good will come to humanity from people with this mentality. It's not happening anyway, for example, the situation in Afghanistan and Iran is obvious.

I agree with what you're saying but looking at the current elections, Erdogan is trying to convince his supporters that this is an Islam vs anti-Islam situation.
However, CHP is no longer harsh on islamists like it was during Baykal times and
we know that anti-Erdogan Islamists will exist in the new government aka Davutoğlu, Babacan and Karamollaoğlu.

 

[Trisolaran]

Well, it seems that Soeharto effect starts to kick Erdogan around.

For your insight, Soeharto was the 2nd Indonesian President. He ruled Indonesia for 32 years. And guess what. When he fell, it's hurt as hell. It is the same to Soekarno, our first president, who ruled from 1945 to 1966. When he step down, it was also hurt as hell.

Now, it seems people start to hate Erdogan. It doesn't matter if he's a good leader or not. But because he rules too long, the opposition in his country become bigger and bigger. And that situation can be used by his political enemy, like US to make the situation worse. Specially, when he refuse to step down, and use anything necessary to protect his throne.

It also happen to Assad Syria, Gadaffi. And It seems that Putin is also overshadowed by the same fate as them. If Xi follow their step, he also can destroy China like them. Not because he wants to, but because his oppositions will become increase in number with the longer he sit in his throne.

If Erdogan and Putin managed to protect their seat to their death, The succession will goes like Venezuela or North Korea. Either it's their son or daughter will replace them, like Kim Il Sung, or one of their close follower succeed them, like in Venezuela.

Erdogan remained in power for 20 years, creating an internal enemy
This enemy was primarily the Kemalists,army and nationalists than it became gulenists,west and terror organizations. All this time he portrayed the people who were against him as supporter of this enemies of the state, And he creat huge division among peoples.
When the economy was good, most of the people believed this nonsense.
But now that the economy has deteriorated and more bad things have happened, most peoples have realized that Erdogan's divisive policy is the real problem And finally, anger that Erdogan directed against different groups turned to himself.

 

[lightning F57]

*scratches his head and wonders what's so special about the US embassy on Turkey

 

[Skimming]

we are only taking back whats ours

UK had a colonial past and it owes 250 years of debt

its only been 55 years since Pakistanis entered in mass, another 195 years to go and we will call it even

Where is @Indus Pakistan when his insights are desired? British ruled coterminous Pakistan for only 90 years. The 200 years old rule was over ganguland.

@Maula Jatt @-=virus=-

 

[Danjuma Musa]

İslam exist in this country before Erdogan and it will exist after him too.. Nobody is against Erdogan because he is islamist but because he is corrupted sc.. who destroyed every good thing in Turkey.. Even most hardcore islamist party in Turkey aka Saadet, join to oppusution against Erdogan

Islam has been in America too for many decades before Erdogan was born.

No, the reason you want to bring Erdogan down is that he's given Muslims hope and the West feels very vulnerable. He's stiring awake the fighting spirit of Muslims worldwide. He's building weapons that Muslim countries can rely on instead of importing weapons from their enemies. In fact, he's doing a lot of things for Islam, Muslims, and Turks. THIS IS WHY YOU HATE HIM. Tell your deceptive stories to someone else, not me.

Thankfully, the true Turkish Muslims are aware.

No! I do not like Erdogan because he is an Islamist, not because he is corrupt. I don't like Islamists, you know why? Because all Islamists give the wrong answer to the philosophical question I will write below.

Question: Suppose a claim in the Qur'an is disproved by falsifiable experiments. In other words, let the claim in the Qur'an be refuted by the scientific method. In that hypothetical case, would you still continue to believe in the Qur'an? Or do you say, "The Qur'an cannot be a holy book that contains such erroneous information"?

Even then, Islamists reject the scientific method!

For the Islamist, the scientific method is necessary only when manufacturing weapons. It is not necessary for living.

No good will come to humanity from people with this mentality. It's not happening anyway, for example, the situation in Afghanistan and Iran is obvious.

I like your honest answer to the question of why hypocrites in Turkey hate Erdogan. The guy you replied to tried to bring up some wrong reasons just because he doesn't want to show his anti-Muslim sentiments. The fact is that true Muslims can smell that sentiment miles away. You won't be able to conceal it from them for long.

 

[Danjuma Musa]

I'm a "liar" and "propagandist" and you will educate Muslims on the "real" state of affairs of the Muslim world?

yeah, that's what you are. Otherwise, you are just one of the millions of brainwashed Westerners who have zero idea why their governments are busy fighting wars against Muslims. All you know and learn about Islam comes from the Western MSM.

The biggest sign of your deception, lies, propaganda, or disconnect with reality is that YOU STILL THINK PETRODOLLAR IS A CONSPIRACY. I told you to research the topic. Read official government or think tank publications on the topic and you'll understand why the U.S. can never extricate itself from the Middle East and Muslim world even if it wants to.

Egyptians here already refuted your claims,if I'm not mistaken. This bullshit about "Western masters" is annoyingly boring. Every dumbass islamist here repeats it. You probably want someone like that crazy Sheikh who said they should demolish the Pyramids because it's "shirk".

Which Egyptians refuted my claims? I would love to debate with such Egyptians. Elsisi himself is very scared of what's coming for Egypt. Try to make sense of his paranoia over Libya first before making such comments. He's abnormally worried about the Libyan situation ....... to the extent that he sent mango juices many many times to Turkey's Islamists trying to appease them for their anger over what Sisi did in Egypt. Which secure and fearless leader does that with his biggest enemies?
Look, I just want an end to tyranny. No caliphate is tyranical provided it abides by the Shariah.

Your Islamist leader Erdogan is friends with Israel. How's that?

Yeah, that's what makes Erdogan smart and dangerous to the West. He never gives you unnecessary reasons to build up UN sanctions against Turkey. Iranian leaders got it wrong from day one. They wanted to impress the Muslim world and spread shiism, so they made so much noise about how they are determined to destroy Israel and liberate Palestine. Although they never intended to ever ever ever fight Israel, this propaganda gambit worked against them and Israel managed to convince the world to heap UN sacntions on Iran, crushing its economy. Iran still cannot trade normally like other countries.

Erdogan is by far more likely to fight Israel than Iran, but he isn't firing the first shot and isn't going to make so much noise about destroying Israel. Turkey can manage Western sanctions, but not UN sanctions. This is why Erdogan is busy forging economic ties with Asian and African countries. He wants to end this partial dependency on Western markets. We can trade with Israel and even profit from the trade and spend the money on building weapons to arm Muslim countries. How about that?

Erdogan is a failure. Turks themselves shout against him. Most Turks here don't like him either. And you're a Nigerian and you have no idea what is going on in the region. All you do is theorize about the Islamic World and dream of Caliphates and supposed "islamist democracies".

Most Turks don't like Erdogan? We'll see within the coming months. Most Erdogan haters are hypocrites. They are those Muslim women who wear trousers and tight-fitting clothes. They are those Turkish guys who do not pray, who smoke, drink, fornicate, etc.

 

[Foinikas]

The biggest sign of your deception, lies, propaganda, or disconnect with reality is that YOU STILL THINK PETRODOLLAR IS A CONSPIRACY. I told you to research the topic. Read official government or think tank publications on the topic and you'll understand why the U.S. can never extricate itself from the Middle East and Muslim world even if it wants to.

Your problem is you are obsessed with the Petrodollar. You think that everything revolves around the petrodollar and Americans. You think that problems only start because of Americans and some conspiracy that they want to destroy the Muslim world.

Yeah, that's what makes Erdogan smart and dangerous to the West. He never gives you unnecessary reasons to build up UN sanctions against Turkey. Iranian leaders got it wrong from day one. They wanted to impress the Muslim world and spread shiism, so they made so much noise about how they are determined to destroy Israel and liberate Palestine. Although they never intended to ever ever ever fight Israel, this propaganda gambit worked against them and Israel managed to convince the world to heap UN sacntions on Iran, crushing its economy. Iran still cannot trade normally like other countries.

Looool! Erdogan has been making big statements and then taking them back,for 12 years you can see that happening.
One day he threatens the Russians,the next day he apologizes to them,the next day he insults the Americans,then he tries to meet them,he's political career was built on populism and telling the poor conservative masses what they want to hear.

Most sanctions on Turkey right now are because of Erdogan and his government!

Erdogan is by far more likely to fight Israel than Iran, but he isn't firing the first shot and isn't going to make so much noise about destroying Israel.

Erdogan won't be fighting Israel. It's exactly the opposite. Turkey would go to war with Iran before attacking Israel! If you can't fathom that,you have absolutely no knowledge of the region and its geopolitical history. All that talk about Kudus and tyrant Israelis is empty words. He ran back to them. Just like he ran back to the Saudis and Emiratis.

We can trade with Israel and even profit from the trade and spend the money on building weapons to arm Muslim countries. How about that?

Then stop nagging about USA as well.

Which Egyptians refuted my claims? I would love to debate with such Egyptians. Elsisi himself is very scared of what's coming for Egypt. Try to make sense of his paranoia over Libya first before making such comments. He's abnormally worried about the Libyan situation ....... to the extent that he sent mango juices many many times to Turkey's Islamists trying to appease them for their anger over what Sisi did in Egypt. Which secure and fearless leader does that with his biggest enemies?
Look, I just want an end to tyranny. No caliphate is tyranical provided it abides by the Shariah.

@Gomig-21 @Hydration @Ramses Akhenaten Ahmose @Ghostkiller @joker88 @Amun and some others I forget

 

[Trisolaran]

Islam has been in America too for many decades before Erdogan was born.

No, the reason you want to bring Erdogan down is that he's given Muslims hope and the West feels very vulnerable. He's stiring awake the fighting spirit of Muslims worldwide. He's building weapons that Muslim countries can rely on instead of importing weapons from their enemies. In fact, he's doing a lot of things for Islam, Muslims, and Turks. THIS IS WHY YOU HATE HIM. Tell your deceptive stories to someone else, not me.

Thankfully, the true Turkish Muslims are aware.

 

[Foinikas]

Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt be like

 

[merzifonlu]

I like your honest answer to the question of why hypocrites in Turkey hate Erdogan. The guy you replied to tried to bring up some wrong reasons just because he doesn't want to show his anti-Muslim sentiments. The fact is that true Muslims can smell that sentiment miles away. You won't be able to conceal it from them for long.

Do not confuse Muslims with Islamists! I am a Muslim but I hate Islamists. Because they cannot think freely. They also have no conscience.

 

[joker88]

yeah, that's what you are. Otherwise, you are just one of the millions of brainwashed Westerners who have zero idea why their governments are busy fighting wars against Muslims. All you know and learn about Islam comes from the Western MSM.

The biggest sign of your deception, lies, propaganda, or disconnect with reality is that YOU STILL THINK PETRODOLLAR IS A CONSPIRACY. I told you to research the topic. Read official government or think tank publications on the topic and you'll understand why the U.S. can never extricate itself from the Middle East and Muslim world even if it wants to.

Which Egyptians refuted my claims? I would love to debate with such Egyptians. Elsisi himself is very scared of what's coming for Egypt. Try to make sense of his paranoia over Libya first before making such comments. He's abnormally worried about the Libyan situation ....... to the extent that he sent mango juices many many times to Turkey's Islamists trying to appease them for their anger over what Sisi did in Egypt. Which secure and fearless leader does that with his biggest enemies?
Look, I just want an end to tyranny. No caliphate is tyranical provided it abides by the Shariah.

Yeah, that's what makes Erdogan smart and dangerous to the West. He never gives you unnecessary reasons to build up UN sanctions against Turkey. Iranian leaders got it wrong from day one. They wanted to impress the Muslim world and spread shiism, so they made so much noise about how they are determined to destroy Israel and liberate Palestine. Although they never intended to ever ever ever fight Israel, this propaganda gambit worked against them and Israel managed to convince the world to heap UN sacntions on Iran, crushing its economy. Iran still cannot trade normally like other countries.

Erdogan is by far more likely to fight Israel than Iran, but he isn't firing the first shot and isn't going to make so much noise about destroying Israel. Turkey can manage Western sanctions, but not UN sanctions. This is why Erdogan is busy forging economic ties with Asian and African countries. He wants to end this partial dependency on Western markets. We can trade with Israel and even profit from the trade and spend the money on building weapons to arm Muslim countries. How about that?


Most Turks don't like Erdogan? We'll see within the coming months. Most Erdogan haters are hypocrites. They are those Muslim women who wear trousers and tight-fitting clothes. They are those Turkish guys who do not pray, who smoke, drink, fornicate, etc.

Does anyone still talk again after what happened
Enough of the real estate corruption that occurred from the devastating earthquake
I don't talk much to people who don't know
The place was filled with children who were still crying

 

[Danjuma Musa]

Do not confuse Muslims with Islamists! I am a Muslim but I hate Islamists. Because they cannot think freely. They also have no conscience.

Which legal system do you prefer? Shariah or Egnlish law? No true Muslim will prefer any kind of law other than Shariah. And every single Islamists is a proponent of Shariah law.

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That makes no sense. Type words so I can reason with you. Pics present no proofs.

 

[Danjuma Musa]

Your problem is you are obsessed with the Petrodollar. You think that everything revolves around the petrodollar and Americans. You think that problems only start because of Americans and some conspiracy that they want to destroy the Muslim world.

Every single war in the Middle East is linked to the petrodollar. I once presented a list of wars that occured shortly after the leaders of those countries threatened the petrodollar system. Understand the petrodollar and you'll understand why America's wars over oil.

Looool! Erdogan has been making big statements and then taking them back,for 12 years you can see that happening.
One day he threatens the Russians,the next day he apologizes to them,the next day he insults the Americans,then he tries to meet them,he's political career was built on populism and telling the poor conservative masses what they want to hear.
Most sanctions on Turkey right now are because of Erdogan and his government!

Every single action is calculated to advance his Islamic cause. There's a time to attack and a time to retreat.
The only sanctions on Turkey are Western sanctions. Thankfully, the West aren't the only people in the world. All their sanctions are because of the triumph of Islam in Turkey. They are also doing the same for Pakistan. Just a few days ago, they were within days of signing some major IMF deals with Pakistan, then when it became clear that elections will be held and Imran most likely restored as PM, they backtracked.

Look, it's high time Muslim countries overcome the fear of Western sanctions and I can a movement towards that direction. We can and will hit back too, soon Insha Allah. Egypt sits on the Suez canal, Somalia sits on Bab El-mandab, Iran sits on the Hormuz straits. It will be easy to starve the Western world of oil without even toppling their puppet regimes. Turkey is in Somalia and Libya. Iran will happily cooperate. Long range surveilance drones make the Aircraft carrier extremely vulnerable to detection. Long range missiles makes the Aircraft carrier vulnerable to destruction. It will be a very very bloody exit for America. This I promise you.

Erdogan won't be fighting Israel. It's exactly the opposite. Turkey would go to war with Iran before attacking Israel! If you can't fathom that,you have absolutely no knowledge of the region and its geopolitical history. All that talk about Kudus and tyrant Israelis is empty words. He ran back to them. Just like he ran back to the Saudis and Emiratis.

He won't be fighting Israel if Israel does not threaten Turkey. He won't Iran either. There'll never be a war between Turkey and Iran as long as both are ruled by the current regimes. The leaders are far too smart to fall for that mistake. The West can dream about it or even try to instigate it. But it won't happen.

Then stop nagging about USA as well.

I'm not nagging about the USA. You are refusing an obvious truth and I only refute your ingnorant arguments.

@Gomig-21 @Hydration @Ramses Akhenaten Ahmose @Ghostkiller @joker88 @Amun and some others I forget

I did not have any debates with most of these guys. Even the ones I exchanged comments with cannot be termed a debate.

A Quick Recap
You've implied the U.S.A. is not striving to destroy the Muslim world. How would you explain their destabilizing the following countries: Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Somalia, Syria, Lebanon, Sudan, and Yemen? There are no governments in these countries. These are failed states due to U.S. direct or indirect intervention. Please, mention one other non-Western country that has destabilized even A SINGLE Muslim country in the world.
The U.S. is indeed the biggest enemy of Muslims and Islam. Almost ALL Muslims are aware of this fact. This is why there is so much anti-American sentiments allover the Muslim world, from Pakistan to Turkey, Niger and Saudi Arabia, the masses hate America and any Muslim ruler aligned with them. This is also the main reason all U.S. puppets will collapse over the coming few years.