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US debt issue will be resolved once WOT is over.

There you said it. Since WOT will never be over, debt issue will never be resolved. US history tells us how war monger they are and have attacked different countries on one pretext or another. WOT will go on and will take new shape or dimension but it will never be over. Not until WW3.
 
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There you said it. Since WOT will never be over, debt issue will never be resolved. US history tells us how war monger they are and have attacked different countries on one pretext or another. WOT will go on and will take new shape or dimension but it will never be over. Not until WW3.
While your post is interesting, US will not be attacking nations every now and then.
 
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Yea well you would say that wouldn't you. As a nation who lives of American charity you stand to get wiped out.



The situation today is different in that it is a systemic failure. Your comment in any event is self serving as you hope to receive American help against China cos you can compete with the dragon in any field

Living on American Charity?? Who??

This thread is neither about Israel nor about the Muslim countries but about the U.S and how it's economy is failing!


So if they fail...what will you do then??
 
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I had my doubt but now you are slowing exposing yourself. Why don't you show us your true flags?
My identity is real. Mods can validate this.

Here is a brief history for you.

Korean war
Vietname war
Iraq war
Afghanistan war

A complete list of US military interventions since 1890.
History of U.S. Military Interventions since 1890
I know a thing or two about US history.

Yes, US have been involved in major and minor conflicts since its inception. However;

1. WOT happened a DECADE after Persian Gulf War 1991
2. Persian Gulf War happened a DECADE after Vietnam War
3. Vietnam War happened a DECADE after Korean War

Their are big gaps between major conflicts. It is during these gaps that economic issues get major attention.

Get the memo?

Now check this:

http://www.cnbc.com/id/20510977/A_History_of_Recessions
 
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first the us economy is in bad shape and the most important problem is the high debt if they couldnt pay they will be declared bankrupt if they just printed more money the inflation rate will be higher so the middle class will be poor most people on food stamps wont be able to feed themselves and start to riot all foreign invest will be gone every nation will try to sell usd they have as reserves so the dollar value will be lower and everyone know the rest
about the effect of that if that happen it will not be hard on the small economy countrys it will be easier for them to change their economy and they dont have high dollar reserves and i am sure every one in the world is expecting something like this and have prepared themselves
 
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I know a thing or two about US history.

Yes, US have been involved in major and minor conflicts since its inception. However;

1. WOT happened a DECADE after Persian Gulf War 1991
2. Persian Gulf War happened a DECADE after Vietnam War
3. Vietnam War happened a DECADE after Korean War

Get the memo?

You think a DECADE is a long time? How many countries have invaded others during this period? And this is how policy is shifted, slowly and gradually. They make plans way ahead of taking action. They make excuses and tell lies so they can justify their actions. Just like you can see USA is slowly turning against Pakistan.
You think one day USA will wake up and say from today Pakistan is our enemy? They have already made plans for this during the last 10 years and now they are in the execution phase.
 
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first the us economy is in bad shape and the most important problem is the high debt if they couldnt pay they will be declared bankrupt if they just printed more money the inflation rate will be higher so the middle class will be poor most people on food stamps wont be able to feed themselves and start to riot all foreign invest will be gone every nation will try to sell usd they have as reserves so the dollar value will be lower and everyone know the rest
about the effect of that if that happen it will not be hard on the small economy countrys it will be easier for them to change their economy and they dont have high dollar reserves and i am sure every one in the world is expecting something like this and have prepared themselves
Oh yes! Everything is so simple.

World has no economic links with largest economy in the world. US will collapse and the world will move on easily.

You know how wrong you are?


You think a DECADE is a long time? How many countries have invaded others during this period? And this is how policy is shifted, slowly and gradually. They make plans way ahead of taking action. They make excuses and tell lies so they can justify their actions. Just like you can see USA is slowly turning against Pakistan.
You think one day USA will wake up and say from today Pakistan is our enemy? They have already made plans for this during the last 10 years and now they are in the execution phase.
Bro, US economy is war-centric to a certain level.

US have enormous defence industry and is the largest supplier of arms in the world. This industry is an important source for revenue generation.

Besides, US debt is not so deeply linked with war effort. It is mostly internal in nature. Yes, major conflicts do force US to borrow. But relief comes during the gaps. Furthermore, steps are being taken to control it.

Here;

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Remember Clinton era? This guy made US an economic powerhouse. Therefore, future is unpredictable.
 
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you guys still dont get it do you? the people are the best resources of a country. it depends on the people how to shape themselves. and israel has done a great job at that. and the mslim countries the worst on that front

Utter nonsense. Most Muslim majority countries have a higher GDP per capita than India.
 
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Oh yes! Everything is so simple.

World has no economic links with largest economy in the world. US will collapse and the world will move on easily.

You know how wrong you are?
i didnt say it will be simple i know this will effect world trade and foreign invests and a lot of companys will go down especially who depend on the amircan market
it will take years for the us to collapse untill that time the other powers in the world could come up with a plan what the amircans want everyone to believe it will be the end of the world economy no it will be the end of the us economy the world economy will be effected but can get up after the crisis
 
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The Real Crash

By: Peter Schiff
Tuesday, May 22, 2012

I first came to national attention back in 2008 and 2009 when the housing and credit markets imploded. I became known as the guy that other market “experts” laughed at when I warned of trouble brewing in the seemingly indestructible American economy. After the wheels ground to a halt in mid-2008, people noticed that my book Crash Proof, originally released in early 2007, read like a detailed preview of many of the events that eventually unfolded.

Three years later I am now catching heat from many who assume that my predictions actually fell short. They argue that I was able to anticipate the crash but that I severely underestimated the resiliency of the American economy. They admit that we took an “unexpected” blow to the chin, and that it left a lingering bruise, but they argue that we never hit the canvas like I predicted we would.

However, they mistakenly assumed that the crash I was warning about was solely a housing led credit bubble. While that was part of it, I never saw it ending there. The crash that most concerned me was the one that would result from the government’s response to the initial crisis. My concern was not that our economy would succumb to the disease that I had diagnosed, but instead would be taken down by the “cure” that the government unleashed to combat it.

When the government’s delaying tactic, which involves continuous borrowing and money printing is no longer tenable, the dollar could collapse, interest rates and consumer prices could soar and the U.S. economy could implode. That’s the real crash that I was warning about, and the one we all need to be worried about now.

This is the subject of my new book “The Real Crash: America’s Coming Bankruptcy, How to Save Yourself and Your Country.” For now it is just a prophecy but as with my first book, it soon may be regarded as history. Unfortunately, the policies of both the Bush and Obama administrations, and the Ben Bernanke led Federal Reserve, have vastly raised the chances that my catastrophic view will come to pass. However, it’s not all gloom and doom — I devote a large majority of the book to solutions. The real crash may be inevitable, but what we do in response is not. We can follow on the path that I recommend back to prosperity, or we can continue on our current course which I believe will lead to economic ruin.

When looking back from a point in the future, I believe that the years immediately after the credit collapse of 2008 will stand out as a period of dangerous economic negligence. We have bought ourselves some time by sweeping enormous problems under the rug. Through a combination of political cowardice, economic ignorance, and false confidence, we are digging ourselves into a hole so deep that it may take generations to crawl out.

Most people assume that half way through 2012 we have made some important positive strides since flirting with the brink of economic catastrophe in the dark days of 2008. Although no one is wildly celebrating the below trend 2 to 3 percent GDP growth, we are continuously reminded that we have turned the corner and that our situation is better than many other regions around the world. But what has really changed?

Immediately prior to the crash, the United States economy was experiencing unprecedented consumer debt levels, persistently high trade deficits, historically large government budget deficits, high-energy prices, and a moribund manufacturing sector. Four years later, all of these problems have gotten worse. And unlike four years ago, we are now saddled with the highest unemployment rate in generations and levels of public debt that would have been unimaginable then. Yes we are no longer technically in recession. But I believe that is just an illusion created by perhaps the cheapest, and most obvious, trick ever devised.

I had argued that our economic growth prior to the crisis was largely a function of the real estate bubble. When that bubble popped, I knew that the economy would have to shrink. And that’s just what happened. From 2008 to 2009 our national GDP (of around $14 trillion) contracted by $212 billion. To prevent any further dips, the government aggressively spent, borrowing heavily to do so. To the relief of just about everyone, these moves did stop the nominal contraction. From 2010 to 2011 the U.S. GDP expanded by $502 billion, and from 2011 to 2012 it added an additional $508 billion. All told, from the end of 2008 the U.S. economy added a cumulative $798 billion in GDP. But those gains came at a very high price.

The combined federal deficits for the same time frame come in at a staggering $4.2 trillion! In 2009 alone the feds chalked up a chart breaking $1.4 trillion in debt (the deficit was a mere $161 billion in 2007). In other words, we borrowed five times more than we grew. This “strategy” for growth is no different from an individual who loses half his income, but continues to spend by running up credit card debt. Could this be described as economic growth? But that’s just how we are describing our current economy, and for the large part, expert economists, politicians, investors, and academics all agree.

I felt certain before writing Crash Proof that the government would never let the economy contract far enough to restore balance and sustainability. I knew the spending and deficits would head off the charts. I thought those realities would push down the dollar and cause foreign creditors to shun American government debt. However, I did not factor in the reprieve we have gotten from the false perception that Europe is in even worse shape than we.

As the curtain eventually falls on the drama unfolding in Europe, the world will refocus its attention on the more spectacular events in the U.S. The sovereign debt crisis that is now playing out in Europe will cross the Atlantic, and when it opens here The Real Crash may indeed finally begin. The average American will have a front row seat but will hardly enjoy the show

The Real Crash | Euro Pacific Capital
 
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Do you not understand it is a systemic failure. Do you know what a system failure is different to a simple recession and or down turn

A number of you have come on here and stated the fact that if American economy folds other places will be hurt.

1. That does not mean that it is any less likely to go bust.

2. Those that are suffering as consequence of American injustice will benefit.

3. Those that are hungry and starving can not get more hungrier or starve more.



That said some on here can simply not see the obvious



Some would say that about you



Facing facts does not mean that anyone wishes you well or bad. What is the matter with you? Most of us will be adversely affected by America going bust and any discussion on this and taking a negative view of the future does not mean that one hares America



That does not mean that it is less likely



Another Indian obsessed with Pakistan. I suggest that you start a thread about Pakistan and discuss Pakistan. Do you not understand this thread is about America?



I joined the forum on 6th June 2011. I have stated in some past posts that in my opinion sometime in the next ten years the US dollar will hit the tipping point where US dollar will not be accepted as it is today, when the US dollar loses the reserve currency status that will signify serious repercussions for America and I believe that default is a real possibility

Yup, the dollar will lose out to the euro. Whoops, that was a little premature, eh?
 
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Recession actually helps america..because that would result in total devaluation of dollar..while american will not be able to afford their gas guzzler V8's and electrically heated home it would definitely spur investment growth and re-birth of manufacturing. The great depression of 20's gave the industrial might of 50's and 60's so there is nothing to worry about...until people start dumping dollar as a reserve currency..
 
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Utter nonsense. Most Muslim majority countries have a higher GDP per capita than India.
then why is singapore per capita higher than most muslim nations. why s korea richer than most. why is taiwan, why is luxembourg better than all the mslim nations.
again if you take care of the development of people thats far better than any natural resource. Look at Pak. you boast you have so much natural resource.. but look at your stae. look at saudi , most regressive and backward . it doesnt take much to dig a hole and take out wealth. remember when you dig a hole you could also be buried in it.
 
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My identity is real. Mods can validate this.


I know a thing or two about US history.

Yes, US have been involved in major and minor conflicts since its inception. However;

1. WOT happened a DECADE after Persian Gulf War 1991
2. Persian Gulf War happened a DECADE after Vietnam War
3. Vietnam War happened a DECADE after Korean War

Their are big gaps between major conflicts. It is during these gaps that economic issues get major attention.

Get the memo?

Now check this:

News Headlines
The US wars don't usually last a decade either, this one has and is still continuing
 
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