U.S. Army celebrated field artillery milestone with 500th HIMARS

[Zarvan]

The U.S. Army celebrated a field artillery milestone in October 2020, when the 500th High Mobility Artillery Rocket System rocket launcher powered out of the industry-partner’s production facility in Camden, Arkansas.

HIMARS stands as a combat-proven mainstay in the Army’s fleet of launchers and supports one of the Army’s top modernization priorities – Long Range Precision Fires. The rocket launcher provides close- and long-range precision rocket and missile fire support for joint forces, early-entry expeditionary forces, contingency forces and field artillery brigades supporting brigade combat teams. Showcasing its strength and lethal payload, HIMARS is deployed in theatres worldwide. Currently, 363 HIMARS serve with Army units, 47 are fielded with the U.S. Marine Corps, and by January 2021, a total of 118 HIMARS launchers will integrate into many international partners’ military forces.

“We have an incredible team across the country dedicated to the continued success of HIMARS,” said Col. Guy Yelverton, III, Program Executive Office Missiles and Space, Strategic and Operational Rockets and Missiles Project Office project manager. “As a field artilleryman myself, I am very proud of our combined efforts to field HIMARS to Soldiers in field artillery units around the world, and FA men and women in training at Fort Sill, Oklahoma.”



Yelverton also noted Project Office STORM’s Deputy Project Manager Bradley Huhlein takes unique pride in the mission to deliver HIMARS to Soldiers in training at Fort Sill, as his son recently began field artillery officer training there.

HIMARS originated in the 1980s as a concept to meet the Army’s need for a lightweight Multiple Launch Rocket System. The first HIMARS mockup was fabricated in 1991 using a 5-ton Family of Medium Tactical Vehicles truck chassis, a framework that is still used today. In 1998, this prototype launcher fired several fire missions and proved the feasibility of C-130 transportability. These initial phases demonstrated to Army leadership the significant potential of the HIMARS launcher and future implementation to support the Army-at-War test philosophy.

By mid-1998, four launcher prototypes were designed and hand-built with three launchers fielded to the XVIII Airborne Corps’ 3rd Battalion, 27th Field Artillery Regiment, 18th Field Artillery Brigade, located at Fort Bragg, North Carolina. The unit successfully participated in the Rapid Force Projection Initiative Advanced Concept Technology Demonstration Field Experiment at Fort Benning with a two-year Extended User Evaluation effectively conducted and completed using these HIMARS prototypes. With the launchers meeting and exceeding all performance requirements, the XVIII Airborne Corps requested to retain the systems until the next generation production launchers were deployed to the 3rd Battalion, 27th Field Artillery Regiment, in June 2005.

Furthermore, the Marine Corps test unit was issued engineering and manufacturing development HIMARS launchers for additional testing at Fort Sill. HIMARS went on to successfully serve in combat for Operation Iraqi Freedom in support of Coalition Forces and Operation Enduring Freedom. The launcher has also proven its capabilities with foreign operators, serving in the field with U.S. allies and partner nations.

Production ramped down in 2013, then shifted into high gear in 2018 when the Fiscal Year Report to Congress identified a near-term platform fielding expansion of HIMARS was necessary to sufficiently meet the Joint Force’s demand and combat near-peer adversaries. Currently, new launchers are in full rate production and rolling off the production line in Camden. Foreign Military Sales launchers are currently being delivered with U.S. launchers to arrive next year. The reset team at Red River Army Depot, Texas, and the overhaul team at Letterkenny Army Depot, Pennsylvania, keeps the existing fleet of launchers in top form. Due to new sub-vendors fabricating and welding the crew cabs, a successful live fire was recently conducted at Aberdeen Proving Grounds, Maryland.

While the launcher still asserts much of its legacy wheeled design, HIMARS has evolved to remain an overwhelming force on the battlefield. To enhance user interface, ensure safe execution of fire missions and provide commonality among launcher systems, HIMARS has been equipped with substantial software and hardware upgrades over the last several years. Modernized government owned, tested and fielded launcher software now enables new munition capabilities for the Warfighter. The Universal Fire Control System conducts all existing and future fire missions of the MLRS Family of Munitions such as the Army Tactical Missile System, Guided Multiple Launch Rocket System and most recently, the Precision Strike Missile. Presently, STORM Project Office is spearheading the fire control system’s next iteration, the Common Fire Control System, which will overcome obsolescence and offer commonality between both the HIMARS and MLRS launchers.

Extensive hardware improvements include the Increased Crew Protection cab which meets the survivability requirement for ground combat vehicles and provides Soldiers who are operating in theater the necessary protection against Improvised Explosive Devices. Another barrier added was the sapphire glass, a bulletproof protective material. The glass was initially found in aircrafts and optimized for the HIMARS crew cab. HIMARS also boasts a carrier chassis which was built from the ground up.

“Regard for HIMARS outside of the Army has grown,” said Dan Folk, Field Artillery Launchers Product Office acting product director. “Supporting the 2017 Grow the Army initiative, 25 new launchers were approved for the Marine Corps. Developments with the Marines and Navy have been ongoing to fully integrate HIMARS into ship-to-shoot scenarios, a diverse competency unique to this launcher, and our FMS customers have procured launchers since 2017.”

The HIMARS workforce heritage runs deep as several current teammates who still support the launchers were part of the original team and brought HIMARS to life. Soldiers, civilians and industry partners alike conserve its history and share their collective knowledge with the next generation.

“HIMARS is a tribute to the dedication and commitment of those who have developed, tested, built, fielded and operated this battle-tested, lethal and highly responsive rocket launcher,” said Darryl Colvin, PEO Missiles and Space deputy program executive officer, who served as a lieutenant colonel and product manager for the Field Artillery Launchers Product Office HIMARS program when the launcher first deployed. “I congratulate and appreciate the broad team for supporting the HIMARS mission and delivering this critical capability to the Warfighter.”

HIMARS launcher addresses Army readiness, now and in the future, to achieve overmatch, deter threats and win the future fight, Colvin said. Through constant preservation and innovative progression, HIMARS flexes its strength on the military frontlines and enables global Joint All Domain efforts.

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[vi-va]

Armament:6 × 227 mm M26, M30/M31 series rockets or 1 MGM-140 ATACMS missile
M26 is the basic MLRS rocket. It is unguided with a range of 20 mi (32 km).

Pardon me. I think it really sucks if the specs is true.

 

[F-22Raptor]

Armament:6 × 227 mm M26, M30/M31 series rockets or 1 MGM-140 ATACMS missile
M26 is the basic MLRS rocket. It is unguided with a range of 20 mi (32 km).

Pardon me. I think it really sucks if the specs is true.

HIMARS will soon be capable of launching 2 550km Precision Strike Missiles and 6 150km extended range rockets.

 

[vi-va]

HIMARS will soon be capable of launching 2 550km Precision Strike Missiles and 6 150km extended range rockets.

Sorry, still not impressive.

 

[F-22Raptor]

Sorry, still not impressive.

I could care less if your impressed.

All that matters is the US Army is undergoing a revolution in its long range precision fires capabilities. And the Precision Strike Missile will also receive a new seeker to target ships and its range will be extended to 700-800km.

The Army could immediately send these missiles to South Korea and Okinawa HIMARS units once operational. Over 1,000 will be purchased in the next 5 years, with 2,500 expected as total procurement.

 

[shanlung]

HIMARS will soon be capable of launching 2 550km Precision Strike Missiles and 6 150km extended range rockets.

China without even trying too hard!
And China doing that now!

By the time HIMARS do what they think they soon do, China will be even further ahead.

And read this too

China’s new PCL191 multiple launch rocket system casts shadow over Taiwan Strait

• The ‘mystery’ hardware that appeared without a name at the National Day parade in October is the PLA’s most powerful MLRS ever, experts say
• System capable of firing eight 370mm rockets 350km or two 750mm ballistic missiles 500km

China’s new PCL191 multiple launch rocket system is capable of firing ballistic missiles up to 500km.



So you want to tango with China and do your phony FONOPs?

Go turn Murica pushing into real shoving then!
Preferably with Japan as well.
That China will then finally take revenge for Nanjing Massacre and Unit 731

 

[F-22Raptor]

China without even trying too hard!
And China doing that now!

By the time HIMARS do what they think they soon do, China will be even further ahead.

And read this too

China’s new PCL191 multiple launch rocket system casts shadow over Taiwan Strait

• The ‘mystery’ hardware that appeared without a name at the National Day parade in October is the PLA’s most powerful MLRS ever, experts say
• System capable of firing eight 370mm rockets 350km or two 750mm ballistic missiles 500km

China’s new PCL191 multiple launch rocket system is capable of firing ballistic missiles up to 500km.



So you want to tango with China and do your phony FONOPs?

Go turn Murica pushing into real shoving then!
Preferably with Japan as well.
That China will then finally take revenge for Nanjing Massacre and Unit 731

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The Army was limited the last 30 years due to the INF Treaty. That’s the only reason why China pulled ahead in ground based fires. Now that’s completely changing as the Army builds out its long range fires portfolio due to termination of INF.

Extended range cannon artillery- will shoot out to 70 km, and 100km with ramjet propulsion. First battery in 2023.

Extended range GMLS rockets- 150km range. First test launch this month with operational capability in 2022.

Precision Strike Missile- 550km range with operational capability in 2023.A new seeker will be added in 2025 to target ships in the maritime domain. Then range is expected to increase to 700-800km. Over 1,000 will be procured over next 5 years with a target total procurement of 2,500 missiles

Mid Range Fires- Tomahawk and SM-6 Block 1b were just selected this week. Tomahawk with over 1,000mile strike range. SM6 Block 1b will have a range over 1,000 miles at hypersonic speed. 2023 operational capability.

Long Range Hypersonic Weapon- 4,000km HGV, with likely ICBM range. In March test, reached Mach 17 and hit within 6 inches of the target. First battery operational in 2023.


Due to the INF Treaty, China has had a 25 year lead in ground based fires. From a technological standpoint, that will be wiped out in the next 5 years. From a quantitative standpoint, it will significantly erode over the next decade as the Army buys thousands of these missiles.

 

[shanlung]

The Army was limited the last 30 years due to the INF Treaty. That’s the only reason why China pulled ahead in ground based fires. Now that’s completely changing as the Army builds out its long range fires portfolio due to termination of INF.

Extended range cannon artillery- will shoot out to 70 km, and 100km with ramjet propulsion. First battery in 2023.

Extended range GMLS rockets- 150km range. First test launch this month with operational capability in 2022.

USA is a distant third to Russia and China. Be that in tube artillery or rocket artillery.
And of even greater importance, China got a lot lot more of those than Muricans.

Totally unlike WW2 Wehrmacht with good Tiger tanks but outnumbered 10 to 1 by Shermans and Russian and Churchill tanks.

**Chinese tube artillery**

Top 10 Self-Propelled Howitzers

Saudi Arabia uses Chinese NORINCO PLZ-45 self propelled howitzer for the clear advantage over that of the best of USA artillery. More accurate and longer reach than the best of USA artillery. And Saudi Arabia is USA captive country and yet refused to use USA artillery as that so inferior to China.

PLZ-52 is capable of firing a full range of Chinese 155 mm munitions. Range of a standard High-Explosive Fragmentation (HE-FRAG) projectile is around 30 km and around 40 km of extended-range projectile. Maximum range of fire is 53 km with rocket-assisted projectile. It has been reported that China developed a GPS-guided 155 mm projectile. It was claimed that this projectile has a whooping maximum range of 100 km and accuracy of 40 m.

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Rate of fire

Maximum:8–10 rounds/min
Sustained: 2 rounds/min

Look at the M109 below

Rate of fire

Maximum: 4 rpm/3 min.
Sustained: 1 rpm

Effective firing range

Conventional: 18 km (11 mi)
RAP
: 30 km (19 mi)

M109 totally outmatched by the PLZ-45.


It is not a wonder why even Saudi Arabia bought PLZ-45 despite they being a captive client country of USA and yet refused and rejected USA arty despite the obvious massive arm twisting of USA on Saudi Arabia.

That was the published material. All those operational and fully tested and used in combat situation unlike Murica still in dreamland and testing and tendering stages.

All here can bet their bottom dollar China got even more powerful artillery that they not talking about but keeping in the shadow as nice surprises to spring on Muricans and Japanese and anyone else wanting to be Murica running dogs.

China's trying to turn its artillery into Mach 6 superguns with magnetized plasma

China's trying to turn its artillery into Mach 6 superguns with magnetized plasma

It sounds like science fiction, but China's apparently been working on magnetized plasma for years. And now it's ready for testing.

www.businessinsider.com

Murica got anything like that even in the dream stage?


Remember DF100 was sprung as a HUGE surprise, even to me and most other experts on China National Day last year.

Many other surprises will exist as surprises until they go BANG BANG BANG AND KEEP THOSE THAT CHOSE TO FIGHT CHINA ETERNALLY YOUNG

AND DO REMEMBER TO DRAG AND ARMTWIST JAPAN TO JOIN YOU IN THAT WAR WITH CHINA. YOU NEED THOSE AIRBASES AND NAVAL BASES IN JAPAN DONT YOU?

ESPECIALLY WHEN YOUR CARRIERS ARE BURNING FROM END TO END.

EVEN IF THEY NOT SUNK

Extended range GMLS rockets- 150km range. First test launch this month with operational capability in 2022.

Precision Strike Missile- 550km range with operational capability in 2023.A new seeker will be added in 2025 to target ships in the maritime domain. Then range is expected to increase to 700-800km. Over 1,000 will be procured over next 5 years with a target total procurement of 2,500 missiles

Mid Range Fires- Tomahawk and SM-6 Block 1b were just selected this week. Tomahawk with over 1,000mile strike range. SM6 Block 1b will have a range over 1,000 miles at hypersonic speed. 2023 operational capability.

Long Range Hypersonic Weapon- 4,000km HGV, with likely ICBM range. In March test, reached Mach 17 and hit within 6 inches of the target. First battery operational in 2023.


Due to the INF Treaty, China has had a 25 year lead in ground based fires. From a technological standpoint, that will be wiped out in the next 5 years. From a quantitative standpoint, it will significantly erode over the next decade as the Army buys thousands of these missiles.

Murica will never be able to catch up with China in missiles either, even if they dream and dream of that.

And what difference?

You cannot win even with goat herders in Afghan and Iraq and Somalia


USA WON AGAINST NICARAGUA, GRENADA AND PANAMA.
THATS ABOUT THE WARS USA WON SINCE WW2


In Korea where USA firepower was at least 100 times more than China and China industrial might was much less than sub Sahara Africa , the Chinese whacked USA and the UN combined that they had to flee south of the Parallel as demanded by China.


Look on the front line at 24 Nov 1950 and the front line of 16 Dec 1950.

And what about Vietnam?
What ws the military edge USA had over Vietnam and China who supported Vietnam with boots on the ground.
About 100 or more to 1?
Didn’t USA had far far greather military technology supremacy over China and Vietnam?
Firepower of USA which included B52s, battleships, Spooky gunships? Helicopter gunships and who threw everything into fighting Viets including toilet bowls?

Your memory so short?
Maybe this can refresh your memory.
How about this!

Mylai rings a bell? A moment to be proud of ? Among many other moments like Mylai.
Help to boost up the numbers for body counts! Small or big, young or old, still bodies to be counted!

USA fought with gunships, battleships, fighter planes from carriers, B52s, massive firepower and total air superiority, against pajamas clad fighters with flip flops from used truck tyres firing AKs and RPGs.
And with courage as they fought for freedom and their land whereas USA fought to enshrine corrupt dictators.
You proud of that?
I wish you joy in such kind of pride.
This was the end result.
You remember this ? Or too painful?

What was the military edge USA have over a bunch of separate goat herders in Afghan? Do not even need the entire fucking country of Afghan.
10,000 to 1 ?
Or is it the Afghan goat herders have military technology greater than USA??
I finished reading “the Outpost” by Jake Tapper. How a bunch of goat herders in Afghan with AKs and rpgs and IEDs (because they do not have billion dollar industry to make bombs like USA, can only make bombs in backyard on a DIY basis) taking out USA brave men despite they having 155 howizters , 120 mm mortars , Ma Deuces, A-10s, properly build bombs, B52s and helicopter gunships , AC-130 Spectre Gunships and billions of dollars backing them and not so good in protecting them.
If USA fought bravely with massive firepower behind them, then what about the goat herders with only AKs and RPGs fighting against USA knowing they fighting against 155 howizters , 120 mm mortars , Ma Deuces, A-10s, properly build bombs, B52s and helicopter gunships , AC-130 Spectre Gunships ?
Even more fucking brave is the least I can say of the Afghans goat herders. Who were untrained knowing only how to herd goats unlike the USA special forces who went through countless hours and weeks and months learning how to kill and kill.
Yet who won? And who left Afghan?
Maybe USA army should consider making their fighting folks do a course in goat herding . As who knows, maybe herding goats might be better to build up fighting skills.

USA got fucked when USA tried that in Afghan . Against a bunch of tribesmen when USA had 1000 the firepower over them. And after a trillion of dollars what have USA got to show in Afghan?
Why did the United States of America fail to win the war in Afghanistan even after 17 years? Why does the lone superpower fail to defeat a group of goat herders?
And in Somalia. A bunch of ex fishermen and part time goat herders with nothing more than AKs and RPGs chased USA out running with tail between legs

What military edge USA got in Iraq over Sadr? 1,000 to 1?
Or is it Sadr got better and more advanced military technology over USA?
In Iraq losing out to Sadr who had 1000 times less firepower than USA.
Having no more than AKs and rpgs.

USA want to invade China when China military technology is better and China with more fire power over USA?
Please do not have war with China.
Do not even think of a nuclear war with China because you think China got only 300 nukes and USA got thousands of nukes.
But if even one nuke land on China or Chinese forces, USA and all of USA bases around the world from Guam to Okinawa and Japan and Diego Garcia and Singapore and UK and Europe will become lakes and seas of molten glowing green and multicolored glass.
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Will the quarrels and disagreements that lead to this war be relevant or even remembered once the war started?
Can this kind of war ever come to an end once started?

 

[Oldman1]

Sorry, still not impressive.

Of course you wouldn't be. Who would have though missiles of those size could reach 150km range when most missiles of that caliber can only reach 70 to 90km range. Same for the new Precision Strike Missile that can go to 700 to 800km range with those small missiles. Many countries would kill to get their hands on such technology.

 

[KAL-EL]

I thought this thread was about the US artillery milestone?

 

[vi-va]

Of course you wouldn't be. Who would have though missiles of those size could reach 150km range when most missiles of that caliber can only reach 70 to 90km range. Same for the new Precision Strike Missile that can go to 700 to 800km range with those small missiles. Many countries would kill to get their hands on such technology.

You registered PDF in 2011, still less informed? I am impressed by your ignorance.
Check PLA MLRS, you will be impressed.

 

[Oldman1]

You registered PDF in 2011, still less informed? I am impressed by your ignorance.
Check PLA MLRS, you will be impressed.

I'm not impressed. I'm impressed what the U.S. is capable of doing since the pullout of the INF Treaty since last year. 700-800 km range missile. Remember it was originally 499km range and not 500 because it would violate the treaty. Not to mention the testing of the ground based Tomahawk missile and hypersonic missile with 4000km range that was 6 inches off its target in its first test.

 

[F-22Raptor]

I'm not impressed. I'm impressed what the U.S. is capable of doing since the pullout of the INF Treaty since last year. 700-800 km range missile. Remember it was originally 499km range and not 500 because it would violate the treaty. Not to mention the testing of the ground based Tomahawk missile and hypersonic missile with 4000km range that was 6 inches off its target in its first test.

Exactly, what the Chinese here fail to comprehend is they’ve had a huge lead in ground based fires due to the INF Treaty, and that lead is about to get completely wiped out in the coming years. The Army is basically going from minimal ground fires to a full suite of advanced capabilities. An that will make life for China much harder, because when you account for the US militarys joint fires it becomes overwhelming. China doesnt have the ISR to keep up.

USA is a distant third to Russia and China. Be that in tube artillery or rocket artillery.
And of even greater importance, China got a lot lot more of those than Muricans.

Totally unlike WW2 Wehrmacht with good Tiger tanks but outnumbered 10 to 1 by Shermans and Russian and Churchill tanks.

**Chinese tube artillery**

Top 10 Self-Propelled Howitzers

Saudi Arabia uses Chinese NORINCO PLZ-45 self propelled howitzer for the clear advantage over that of the best of USA artillery. More accurate and longer reach than the best of USA artillery. And Saudi Arabia is USA captive country and yet refused to use USA artillery as that so inferior to China.

PLZ-52 is capable of firing a full range of Chinese 155 mm munitions. Range of a standard High-Explosive Fragmentation (HE-FRAG) projectile is around 30 km and around 40 km of extended-range projectile. Maximum range of fire is 53 km with rocket-assisted projectile. It has been reported that China developed a GPS-guided 155 mm projectile. It was claimed that this projectile has a whooping maximum range of 100 km and accuracy of 40 m.

Saudis Use Chinese-made Cannons in Yemen (Saudis Use Chinese-made Cannons in Yemen
)

Rate of fire

Maximum:8–10 rounds/min
Sustained: 2 rounds/min

Look at the M109 below

Rate of fire

Maximum: 4 rpm/3 min.
Sustained: 1 rpm

Effective firing range

Conventional: 18 km (11 mi)
RAP
: 30 km (19 mi)

M109 totally outmatched by the PLZ-45.


It is not a wonder why even Saudi Arabia bought PLZ-45 despite they being a captive client country of USA and yet refused and rejected USA arty despite the obvious massive arm twisting of USA on Saudi Arabia.

That was the published material. All those operational and fully tested and used in combat situation unlike Murica still in dreamland and testing and tendering stages.

All here can bet their bottom dollar China got even more powerful artillery that they not talking about but keeping in the shadow as nice surprises to spring on Muricans and Japanese and anyone else wanting to be Murica running dogs.

China's trying to turn its artillery into Mach 6 superguns with magnetized plasma

China's trying to turn its artillery into Mach 6 superguns with magnetized plasma

It sounds like science fiction, but China's apparently been working on magnetized plasma for years. And now it's ready for testing.

www.businessinsider.com

Murica got anything like that even in the dream stage?


Remember DF100 was sprung as a HUGE surprise, even to me and most other experts on China National Day last year.

Many other surprises will exist as surprises until they go BANG BANG BANG AND KEEP THOSE THAT CHOSE TO FIGHT CHINA ETERNALLY YOUNG

AND DO REMEMBER TO DRAG AND ARMTWIST JAPAN TO JOIN YOU IN THAT WAR WITH CHINA. YOU NEED THOSE AIRBASES AND NAVAL BASES IN JAPAN DONT YOU?

ESPECIALLY WHEN YOUR CARRIERS ARE BURNING FROM END TO END.

EVEN IF THEY NOT SUNK






Murica will never be able to catch up with China in missiles either, even if they dream and dream of that.

And what difference?

You cannot win even with goat herders in Afghan and Iraq and Somalia


USA WON AGAINST NICARAGUA, GRENADA AND PANAMA.
THATS ABOUT THE WARS USA WON SINCE WW2


In Korea where USA firepower was at least 100 times more than China and China industrial might was much less than sub Sahara Africa , the Chinese whacked USA and the UN combined that they had to flee south of the Parallel as demanded by China.


Look on the front line at 24 Nov 1950 and the front line of 16 Dec 1950.

And what about Vietnam?
What ws the military edge USA had over Vietnam and China who supported Vietnam with boots on the ground.
About 100 or more to 1?
Didn’t USA had far far greather military technology supremacy over China and Vietnam?
Firepower of USA which included B52s, battleships, Spooky gunships? Helicopter gunships and who threw everything into fighting Viets including toilet bowls?

Your memory so short?
Maybe this can refresh your memory.
How about this!

Mylai rings a bell? A moment to be proud of ? Among many other moments like Mylai.
Help to boost up the numbers for body counts! Small or big, young or old, still bodies to be counted!

USA fought with gunships, battleships, fighter planes from carriers, B52s, massive firepower and total air superiority, against pajamas clad fighters with flip flops from used truck tyres firing AKs and RPGs.
And with courage as they fought for freedom and their land whereas USA fought to enshrine corrupt dictators.
You proud of that?
I wish you joy in such kind of pride.
This was the end result.
You remember this ? Or too painful?

What was the military edge USA have over a bunch of separate goat herders in Afghan? Do not even need the entire fucking country of Afghan.
10,000 to 1 ?
Or is it the Afghan goat herders have military technology greater than USA??
I finished reading “the Outpost” by Jake Tapper. How a bunch of goat herders in Afghan with AKs and rpgs and IEDs (because they do not have billion dollar industry to make bombs like USA, can only make bombs in backyard on a DIY basis) taking out USA brave men despite they having 155 howizters , 120 mm mortars , Ma Deuces, A-10s, properly build bombs, B52s and helicopter gunships , AC-130 Spectre Gunships and billions of dollars backing them and not so good in protecting them.
If USA fought bravely with massive firepower behind them, then what about the goat herders with only AKs and RPGs fighting against USA knowing they fighting against 155 howizters , 120 mm mortars , Ma Deuces, A-10s, properly build bombs, B52s and helicopter gunships , AC-130 Spectre Gunships ?
Even more fucking brave is the least I can say of the Afghans goat herders. Who were untrained knowing only how to herd goats unlike the USA special forces who went through countless hours and weeks and months learning how to kill and kill.
Yet who won? And who left Afghan?
Maybe USA army should consider making their fighting folks do a course in goat herding . As who knows, maybe herding goats might be better to build up fighting skills.

USA got fucked when USA tried that in Afghan . Against a bunch of tribesmen when USA had 1000 the firepower over them. And after a trillion of dollars what have USA got to show in Afghan?
Why did the United States of America fail to win the war in Afghanistan even after 17 years? Why does the lone superpower fail to defeat a group of goat herders?
And in Somalia. A bunch of ex fishermen and part time goat herders with nothing more than AKs and RPGs chased USA out running with tail between legs

What military edge USA got in Iraq over Sadr? 1,000 to 1?
Or is it Sadr got better and more advanced military technology over USA?
In Iraq losing out to Sadr who had 1000 times less firepower than USA.
Having no more than AKs and rpgs.

USA want to invade China when China military technology is better and China with more fire power over USA?
Please do not have war with China.
Do not even think of a nuclear war with China because you think China got only 300 nukes and USA got thousands of nukes.
But if even one nuke land on China or Chinese forces, USA and all of USA bases around the world from Guam to Okinawa and Japan and Diego Garcia and Singapore and UK and Europe will become lakes and seas of molten glowing green and multicolored glass.
Wuming Chan's answer to Could China's 200 nukes realistically kill more than 50% of the US population in a nuclear war?
Wuming Chan's answer to Which missile can be considered as the world's most dangerous Intercontinental Ballistic missile (ICBM) ?
Will the quarrels and disagreements that lead to this war be relevant or even remembered once the war started?
Can this kind of war ever come to an end once started?

What a load of rambling nonsense. Chinas lead in ground fires, due to the INF Treaty, is about to get completely wiped out. From a tech standpoint, within the next 5 years, and from a quantitative the next decade.

Life is about to get much harder for China.

 

[shanlung]

Exactly, what the Chinese here fail to comprehend is they’ve had a huge lead in ground based fires due to the INF Treaty, and that lead is about to get completely wiped out in the coming years. The Army is basically going from minimal ground fires to a full suite of advanced capabilities. An that will make life for China much harder, because when you account for the US militarys joint fires it becomes overwhelming. China doesnt have the ISR to keep up.



What a load of rambling nonsense. Chinas lead in ground fires, due to the INF Treaty, is about to get completely wiped out. From a tech standpoint, within the next 5 years, and from a quantitative the next decade.

Life is about to get much harder for China.

Murica about to get 1 million covid19 cases on daily basis.
Murica is now the sick man of the world.
Murica totally incompetent to look after herself .
Who the **** is Murica to look after the world?

You worry for yourself.

China can well look after herself and do not need your concern or your self declared policing.
As who the **** is Murica to do any policing of anyone or anywhere?

You cannot win even with goat herders in Afghan and Iraq and Somalia


USA WON AGAINST NICARAGUA, GRENADA AND PANAMA.
THATS ABOUT THE WARS USA WON SINCE WW2

AND YOU RESORT TO PATHETIC THUMPING OF CHEST HERE BOASTING AS TO WHAT YOUR FIELD ARTILLERY HOPE TO DO AND WHAT YOUR MRLS HOPE TO DO AND YOU A DISTANT 2ND TO CHINA NOW AND WILL BE EVEN MORE DISTANT SECOND WITH EACH PASSING YEAR

PATHETIC


And even when Murica not the sick man of the world, you got your arses handed to you by goat herders .

Murica far far too full of himself and Murica is a pathetic joke to much of the rest of the world

What was the military edge USA have over a bunch of separate goat herders in Afghan? Do not even need the entire fucking country of Afghan.
10,000 to 1 ?
Or is it the Afghan goat herders have military technology greater than USA??
I finished reading “the Outpost” by Jake Tapper. How a bunch of goat herders in Afghan with AKs and rpgs and IEDs (because they do not have billion dollar industry to make bombs like USA, can only make bombs in backyard on a DIY basis) taking out USA brave men despite they having 155 howizters , 120 mm mortars , Ma Deuces, A-10s, properly build bombs, B52s and helicopter gunships , AC-130 Spectre Gunships and billions of dollars backing them and not so good in protecting them.
If USA fought bravely with massive firepower behind them, then what about the goat herders with only AKs and RPGs fighting against USA knowing they fighting against 155 howizters , 120 mm mortars , Ma Deuces, A-10s, properly build bombs, B52s and helicopter gunships , AC-130 Spectre Gunships ?
Even more fucking brave is the least I can say of the Afghans goat herders. Who were untrained knowing only how to herd goats unlike the USA special forces who went through countless hours and weeks and months learning how to kill and kill.
Yet who won? And who left Afghan?
Maybe USA army should consider making their fighting folks do a course in goat herding . As who knows, maybe herding goats might be better to build up fighting skills.

USA got fucked when USA tried that in Afghan . Against a bunch of tribesmen when USA had 1000 the firepower over them. And after a trillion of dollars what have USA got to show in Afghan?
Why did the United States of America fail to win the war in Afghanistan even after 17 years? Why does the lone superpower fail to defeat a group of goat herders?
And in Somalia. A bunch of ex fishermen and part time goat herders with nothing more than AKs and RPGs chased USA out running with tail between legs

What military edge USA got in Iraq over Sadr? 1,000 to 1?
Or is it Sadr got better and more advanced military technology over USA?
In Iraq losing out to Sadr who had 1000 times less firepower than USA.
Having no more than AKs and rpgs.

USA want to invade China when China military technology is better and China with more fire power over USA?
Please do not have war with China.
Do not even think of a nuclear war with China because you think China got only 300 nukes and USA got thousands of nukes.
But if even one nuke land on China or Chinese forces, USA and all of USA bases around the world from Guam to Okinawa and Japan and Diego Garcia and Singapore and UK and Europe will become lakes and seas of molten glowing green and multicolored glass.
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Will the quarrels and disagreements that lead to this war be relevant or even remembered once the war started?
Can this kind of war ever come to an end once started?

And please do not talk of nukes. China might well be the only country
with fully functional H Bombs
Chinese H Bombs are done to the YuMing configuration requiring very little maintenance.
Muricans do their H bombs to the Ulam Teller configuration needing lots of maintenances.

Each warhead needs to have about 200 milligrams of fresh tritium added every year. Here’s a pic showing W80s having their gas changed.

How many Murican H Bombs can go kaboom immediately? Not many.
And all of China H Bombs can go kaboom and turn New Delhi and other enemies that wanted war to pools and lakes and seas of molten multi coloured glass.

So please be nice and respectful and no phony FONOPs or claiming of China territories that not yours to begin with.

Or have the war that you yearning for.

 

[Zarvan]

Those comparing Chinese MRLs with HIMARS are being naïve. HIMARS is a beast. USA is doing good with HIMARS and will get better with time. Chinese are good still they need to slightly more work on their MRL systems.