U.S agreed to give 20 T-37 Aircrafts

[fatman17]

PERU, PAKISTAN ASKING ABOUT KOREAN DRAGONFLYS

The A-37 Dragonfly was developed from the T-37 Tweet trainer as a counter-insurgency support aircraft, whereupon it was sent to Vietnam and became only aircraft to undergo operational testing in actual combat. The jet’s slow speed, excellent maneuverability when performing close air support, maintainability on the ground, and ability to carry its own weight in ordnance made it a popular and effective choice on the front lines. Several Latin American air forces still fly the A-37, and now Pakistan and Peru have expressed interest in the A-37Bs used by South Korea’s Black Eagles aerobatic flight team since 1994. The A-37Bs will be replaced shortly by South Korea’s own supersonic T-50s.

In January 2008, KOIS reported that Peru’s air force chief of staff had asked about Korea’s A-37Bs during his October 2007 meeting with Defense Acquisition Program Administration (DAPA) commissioner Lee Sun-hi. Peru already operates the A-37B with Grupo Aereo 7 at Piura, near its northern border with Ecuador. Its air force is a mix of Russian and Western types, but budget issues and low readiness are often cited as problems with the fleet.

Pakistan requested engine parts, and possibly aircraft, via a diplomatic channel in May 2007. The Pakistani Air Force does not operate A-37s in an attack role, though its ongoing civil war may make that option attractive. It does operate T-37 Tweet trainers at its Academy in Risalpur, however; they are scheduled for withdrawal once the K-8 Karakorum (aka. Hongdu JL-8) arrives in sufficient numbers, but until then they will need to be maintained.

UPDATE: The USA approved the sale of 20 T-37s to Pakistan in August 2008, in return for the cost of shipping them.

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[araz]

PERU, PAKISTAN ASKING ABOUT KOREAN DRAGONFLYS

The A-37 Dragonfly was developed from the T-37 Tweet trainer as a counter-insurgency support aircraft, whereupon it was sent to Vietnam and became only aircraft to undergo operational testing in actual combat. The jet’s slow speed, excellent maneuverability when performing close air support, maintainability on the ground, and ability to carry its own weight in ordnance made it a popular and effective choice on the front lines. Several Latin American air forces still fly the A-37, and now Pakistan and Peru have expressed interest in the A-37Bs used by South Korea’s Black Eagles aerobatic flight team since 1994. The A-37Bs will be replaced shortly by South Korea’s own supersonic T-50s.

In January 2008, KOIS reported that Peru’s air force chief of staff had asked about Korea’s A-37Bs during his October 2007 meeting with Defense Acquisition Program Administration (DAPA) commissioner Lee Sun-hi. Peru already operates the A-37B with Grupo Aereo 7 at Piura, near its northern border with Ecuador. Its air force is a mix of Russian and Western types, but budget issues and low readiness are often cited as problems with the fleet.

Pakistan requested engine parts, and possibly aircraft, via a diplomatic channel in May 2007. The Pakistani Air Force does not operate A-37s in an attack role, though its ongoing civil war may make that option attractive. It does operate T-37 Tweet trainers at its Academy in Risalpur, however; they are scheduled for withdrawal once the K-8 Karakorum (aka. Hongdu JL-8) arrives in sufficient numbers, but until then they will need to be maintained.

UPDATE: The USA approved the sale of 20 T-37s to Pakistan in August 2008, in return for the cost of shipping them.

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Sir Fatman
Are you implying what I think you are implying ??? If this is the answer, why not go for A10s which are also in excess in USA and maybe a much better platform.?
Thanks in advance for your response
Araz

 

[fatman17]

Sir Fatman
Are you implying what I think you are implying ??? If this is the answer, why not go for A10s which are also in excess in USA and maybe a much better platform.?
Thanks in advance for your response
Araz

these birds will be cheap to purchase - so no budget issues plus the advantage of inter-operatability of this platform.
the A-10 warthog has not been sold to anyone inc. israel. i dont know if EDA stocks are available as the US a/c are undergoing upgrades.

 

[melb4aust]

these birds will be cheap to purchase - so no budget issues plus the advantage of inter-operatability of this platform.
the A-10 warthog has not been sold to anyone inc. israel. i dont know if EDA stocks are available as the US a/c are undergoing upgrades.

I heard some where that A-10 was offered to pakistan along with other options including F-5's during president Zia's era but pakistan was more interested in F-16's.

 

[IceCold]

I heard some where that A-10 was offered to pakistan along with other options including F-5's during president Zia's era but pakistan was more interested in F-16's.

you are right but back then the role we wanted an aircraft was to intercept the soviets and afghan jets violating our air space and A-10 could not perform that role. Also back then US was not aware of the potential this jet had. It was not until the first gulf war where this machine performed way beyond expectations and made the US think twice about the future of this jet and that is why its still in the US inventory because when it comes to close combat ground support there is not alternative to it yet.

 

[TOPGUN]

Do you guys think we can still get the A-10's if requested?

 

[Nomi929]

Do you guys think we can still get the A-10's if requested?

Do we need A-10

I don't think so

 

[TOPGUN]

I dont see why not !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[IceCold]

Do we need A-10

I don't think so

Why do you think we don't need it. When it comes to close ground support and COIN missions this jet has a class of its own and in our present circumstances, these jets can be very usefull against militants hide outs instead of cobras.

 

[General Fujita]

Well said, but wouldnt purchasing A-10's increase our reliance on uncle sam? on the other hand, Sukhoi su-25 frogfoot's are said to be excellent for COIN and were said to have performed well for Russia in their recent conflict with Georgia. Though 3 were lost, it was reported that they took out the Tbilisi aircraft plant [formerly known as factory No 31 in the Soviet times].

 

[Munir]

Total weird. One side you get the title frontline against terror. You let your soldiers die for their war and all you get in return is some outdated 4 decades old trainers we certainly cannot use for anything else then mudmovers without guidance.

You do not want a10 with uranium bullets. Believe me. You need some decent a2g choppers like apache (2-4 squadrons) with 2-6 squadrons of MALE UAV. There is no need for block52 cause they will stand parked without spares or checked 24/7... Thank God we do not have to buy JSF...

 

[ejaz007]

If we would have tried couple of years back then perhaps we had a slight chance. Now with democrat controlled congress the chances are even slimmer. However there is no final word in world of politics. No harm in trying. I think A-10 is the better of the choices available at the moment.

 

[triston]

what happened to switching to K-8 instead of t-37

 

[x_man]

@ Triston

Well, it’s a gradual process that will take few years…Heres a short and quick update :-

About the recently acquired T-37s, well half will be maintained in flying status while other half for spare support and parts cannibalisation...

Right now we have around 25 T-37s (other than those recently inducted&#8230 and roughly, PAF will continue to operate them until 2015, while gradually shifting to K-8s.

At the moment we have 20 K-8s with 8 more coming in few weeks, 10 more would come next year to make a total of 38…PAF will order more as and when required..

Some K-8s would replace T-37s at Risalpur while remaining would go to Mianwali to replace FT-5s...

Except few initial years, K-8s is doing fine …Easy to fly and un-complicated to maintain….Pilots respect it and Engineers admire it...Everyone seems to get along well, I guess…

 

[shehbazi2001]

Why do you think we don't need it. When it comes to close ground support and COIN missions this jet has a class of its own and in our present circumstances, these jets can be very usefull against militants hide outs instead of cobras.

Ice, I think its better to make Army more indepnedant for Close Air Support (CAS) missions using their own Gunships. In the war, help from PAF takes time and coordination. In army, there are Forward Air Controllers (FACs) that guide PAF jets towards targets and indicate the position of friendlies and foes.

Now in 1971 war, its said in some books that Army FACs were assigned other duties and PAF faced considerable difficulties in finding out enemy position and this was more felt in Sialkot front.

With Army having their own CAS assets, they will have more freedom of operations and help readily available.

Regarding A-10, I think Pakistan does not need it. PAF is a small air force and a small AF cant afford to have speicialised CAS aircraft with no air combat capability. In small air forces facing a large air force in vicinity, every fighter must have air combat capability to defend itself. This becomes more important when we know that Pakistan lacks a true air superiority fighter with long range+endurance, long range radars and BVR missiles.

Regarding operations inside the country, firstly they should not be routine and only unavoidalbe situation or very sound justification should be the basis for operations inside the country.

Even then, if required, this role can be done by almost any multirole fighter. But a more effective solution would be to use trainers in ground attack mode in daylight and fighters at night provided precise targeting info is available and the chances of fratricide and collatoral damage are non-existant.

Jet trainers cost less to operate and can be equipped with bombs, rockets and gun pods. Every part in an aircraft has a limited life and the spares for fighters are costly and above this, all time availability of spares is also very difficult to ensure.