U.S : 60% of the warships will be deployed in the Asia-Pacific

[lightoftruth]

china is not the the only country in asia pacific . militarization of such scale in this region can create rifts.but aggressive policies by china gave americans a clear reason for it. certainly not good for India.

 

[dunhill]

Vietnamese must never forget how much vietnamese women and children the US war criminals and GIs had voluntarily killed and massacred during the vietnamese colonial war of the 60's and 70's. The US war criminals had bombed civilians and mass killed women and children just like the Japanes Imperial army did during the invasion of China and on a smaller scale, just like what the US war criminals are doing on Afgan children. The US war criminals had used chemical weapons like the infamous Agent Orange which had burnt women and children alive and which continues to kill nowadays. The main victims are mostly women and children. Vietnamese must never forget the image of this child holding desperately his baby sister both were suffering atroce burning of their skin nor they must forget this old woman who was begging GIs not to kill women and children. Wikipedia-"In 1997, an article published by the Wall Street Journal reported that up to half a million children were born with dioxin related deformities, and that the birth defects in South Vietnam were fourfold those in the North. The use of Agent Orange may have been contrary to international rules of war at the time. It is also of note that the most likely victims of such an assault would be small children." Now you vietnamese guy is inviting the US war criminals to celebrate in your country, you have not learnt history at school, you had forgotten who had murdered and massacred your parents and grand parents. Shame on you.

Pakchina:

Which part or any documents that tell/told you Vietnamese FORGET whatever USA did to Viet Nam? Can you prove it? If you can not prove any documents that relates whatever you mentioned then SHAME ON YOU must apply for YOU.

Let me be clear for you once more time that we are FORGIVE but NEVER FORGET whoever DID BAD THINGS to Viet Nam. (Viet Nam's enemies)

 

[dunhill]

These words make no difference to those who blinded by their false ego. If you will hit them they will say well come back & hit again but politely.

Luckily, your country less wars than Viet Nam so you can keeping your hatred. Imagine your country like Vietnam I don't think you can do anything besides hating and hatred.

 

[Zulkarneyn]

Middle East: Mission accomplished
Time to screw East Asia.

 

[longyi]

Middle East: Mission accomplished
Time to screw East Asia.

"yea, your mission is accomplished" Rumsfeld points his finger at Bush " and now is my turn. I can fight 13 wars at the same time, you know".

 

[vtnsx]

Luckily, your country less wars than Viet Nam so you can keeping your hatred. Imagine your country like Vietnam I don't think you can do anything besides hating and hatred.

I agreed. We stood up for ourselves and defended our freedom. Why can't we defend ourselves? just because someone else is bigger, we have to listen to them? Vietnam didn't go to war with France for no reason and it definitely didn't go to war with the Americans for no reason. Why do you think the Vietnam war lasted 20 years? and why do you think Americans dropped more bombs to Vietnam twice as much as WWI and WWII combined? why do you think Americans tried everything to defeat Vietnam but cannot? Did you know how much Agent Orange they dropped into Vietnam? 78 million liters of Agent Orange was dropped to Vietnam that's how pathetic the Americans were. Did you know how many people hated the Americans during that war? many and countless more. But, today, Vietnam is in a dilemma, to be friends with the Americans or be friends with China. Vietnam trusted China, but China turned its back on us. So where do we go? somewhere else. Should one day Vietnam continues to trust China, maybe. With China's increase in aggression, I don't see why there should not be another war.

A friend can turn his/her back on you any time and vice versa, an enemy could also turn into a friend. The reason why other countries think Vietnam should unite to hate on the Americans is because the Americans are in their countries hurting their people. It's like how they did to Vietnam. However, Vietnam has already experienced and been through that phase and we learnt to forgive because we want life to move on. We are sick of living in hatred. After 32 years of Hatred, Vietnamese learnt to forgive and life moves on. Hatred will bring more hate and more chaos. When you continue to hate, you will only invite for trouble. Stop hating and learn the word embrace. Americans will thrive through the hatred of other people.

Aren't OUR people DIED enough? Over 2 millions killed. Why the hell should we continue this hatred and unite with you to hate on the Americans just to get more of OUR people killed? Until our people get nuked to ashes and millions more died would make you happy? Here's a question for people who bad mouth Vietnam, what do you people fight for? freedom? love? what?

 

[Battle of Bach Dang River]

Vietnamese must never forget how much vietnamese women and children the US war criminals and GIs had voluntarily killed and massacred during the vietnamese colonial war of the 60's and 70's. The US war criminals had bombed civilians and mass killed women and children just like the Japanes Imperial army did during the invasion of China and on a smaller scale, just like what the US war criminals are doing on Afgan children. The US war criminals had used chemical weapons like the infamous Agent Orange which had burnt women and children alive and which continues to kill nowadays. The main victims are mostly women and children. Vietnamese must never forget the image of this child holding desperately his baby sister both were suffering atroce burning of their skin nor they must forget this old woman who was begging GIs not to kill women and children. Wikipedia-"In 1997, an article published by the Wall Street Journal reported that up to half a million children were born with dioxin related deformities, and that the birth defects in South Vietnam were fourfold those in the North. The use of Agent Orange may have been contrary to international rules of war at the time. It is also of note that the most likely victims of such an assault would be small children." Now you vietnamese guy is inviting the US war criminals to celebrate in your country, you have not learnt history at school, you had forgotten who had murdered and massacred your parents and grand parents. Shame on you.

These words make no difference to those who blinded by their false ego. If you will hit them they will say well come back & hit again but politely.

Hatred does not make our fellow, who were killed by Americans, can live again.
Meanwhile, nowaday we need to move forward.

As I said before, the war had gone through more than 40 years, it is not the still bleeding wounds of year 2011.

We also did not want to receive any of billions of dollars each year for any military aid from America. If you received their aid, you will have to do the dictates of their.

Nowaday we have the relationship with the U.S based on equality diplomacy better than many other countries. I'm sure you know it.

Furthermore, we stand on the position of the winner. We can leave the past and forgive them easier than they have to forget the pains of their failures.

Meanwhile, even while I'm talking to you on the anonymous forum, somewhere in the East Sea of our compatriots are still being killed by the "good neighbor", "good friends", "good brothers", "good comrades". They use high-speed warship rammed Vietnamese fishing boats of fishermen, robbing fishermen's fish and fishing gear, or even kill fishermen.

You think you as smart, look at yourself and your foots before you teach your wisdom to others. Your legs clean?

 

[no_name]

No one in the ASIAN region that could challenge China. If she's not too greedy to the extent claimed as the map below, it probably will not has any controversy.

Vietnam claims almost as much as China on south china sea. You are making it sounds as if the whole ASEAN is against china when infact they have their own interest are are competing against each other. But none of them dares to openly compete with China which is why they have to go to U. Sam.

And below is the map of islands with troops guarding them. Note the number of vietnam flags v.s. Chinese flags. If we remove China from the scene today guess who will be the one making the most troubles for other ASEAN countries?

 

[Battle of Bach Dang River]

Vietnam claims almost as much as China on south china sea. You are making it sounds as if the whole ASEAN is against china when infact they have their own interest are are competing against each other. But none of them dares to openly compete with China which is why they have to go to U. Sam.

And below is the map of islands with troops guarding them. Note the number of vietnam flags v.s. Chinese flags. If we remove China from the scene today guess who will be the one making the most troubles for other ASEAN countries?

We have managed the islands from the 15th century. It was not until after WW2, Republic of China of illegally occupying a part of the Paracel Islands, then People Republic of China invaded the rest of us in 1974. At the Spratly Islands, we also manage the whole until 1956 Republic of China of illegally occupying a Island; In 1988 People Republic of China invaded some of our reefs.
Please imagine in your home garden, a caddish neighbor come to claim then turn it into a "disputed area"!

 

[no_name]

We have managed the islands from the 15th century. It was not until after WW2, Republic of China of illegally occupying a part of the Paracel Islands, then People Republic of China invaded the rest of us in 1974. At the Spratly Islands, we also manage the whole until 1956 Republic of China of illegally occupying a Island; In 1988 People Republic of China invaded some of our reefs.
Please imagine in your home garden, a caddish neighbor come to claim then turn it into a "disputed area"!

A more balanced view:

Ancient Chinese maps record the "Thousand Li Stretch of Sands"; Qianli Changsha (千里長&#27801 and the "Ten-Thousand Li of Stone Pools"; Wanli Shitang (萬里石&#22616,[6] which China today claims refers to the Spratly Islands. The Wanli Shitang have been explored by the Chinese since the Yuan Dynasty and may have been considered by them to have been within their national boundaries. [7][8] They are also referenced in the 13th century,[9] followed by the Ming Dynasty.[10] When the Ming Dynasty collapsed, the Qing Dynasty continued to include the territory in maps compiled in 1724,[11] 1755,[12] 1767,[13] 1810,[14] and 1817.[15] A Vietnamese map from 1834 also includes the Spratly Islands clumped in with the Paracels (a common occurrence on maps of that time) labeled as "Wanli Changsha".[16]

According to Hanoi, old Vietnamese maps record Bãi Cát Vàng (Golden Sandbanks, referring to both Paracels and the Spratly Islands) which lay near the Coast of the central Vietnam as early as 1838.[17] In Phủ Biên Tạp Lục (Frontier Chronicles) by the scholar Le Quy Don, Hoàng Sa and Trường Sa were defined as belonging to Quảng Ngãi District. He described it as where sea products and shipwrecked cargoes were available to be collected. Vietnamese text written in the 17th century referenced government-sponsored economic activities during the Le Dynasty, 200 years earlier. The Vietnamese government conducted several geographical surveys of the islands in the 18th century.[17]

Despite the fact that China and Vietnam both made a claim to these territories simultaneously, at the time, neither side was aware that their neighbor had already charted and made claims to the same stretch of islands.[17]

 

[Battle of Bach Dang River]

Yes, it is also from wikipedia:

The Vietnamese call the islands Hoang Sa, (黃沙 or Yellow Sands), has been found in historic Vietnamese documents dating back to the 15th century.[5] In the modern language system it is written as Hoàng Sa or Cát Vàng. They all have the same meaning that is the Yellow Sands or the Yellow Sandbank. Before the early 19th century, the present-day Spratly Islands were treated as the features of Hoàng Sa.[6][7] Only under the reign of Emperor Minh Mạng (1820–1841) when the Spratlys were distinctly delineated and officially named Vạn Lý Trường Sa, the Ten-thousand-league Long Sandbank.[8][9]
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Vietnam Historical perspectives:
15th–17th centuries
1460-1497, under the reign of Emperor Lê Thánh Tông, the Vietnamese began conducting commercial activities on and around Hoàng Sa, including harvesting abundant sea-products and conducting salvage operations on shipwrecks.[5]
In 1634, under the Lê Dynasty (1527–1786), the ship Grootebroek of the Dutch East India Company sank in the vicinity of the Paracel archipelago. Using a small boat, captain Huijch Jansen and 12 sailors managed to reach Annam, territory of Lord Nguyễn Phước Nguyên (1613–1635), to seek rescue for other castaways remained on the islands.[19]

1680-1705, Lord Trịnh Căn instructed Đỗ Bá Công Đạo to publish Thiên Nam Tứ Chí Lộ Đồ, an encyclopedia consists of 4 series of maps that detail routes from Thăng Long, capital of Đại Việt, to other countries in the Southeast Asia. Part of this work was based on the Hồng Đức Atlas (Hồng Đức Bản Đ&#7891 developed during the time of Emperor Lê Thánh Tông (1460–1497). This encyclopedia was considered one of the oldest and rarely preserved Vietnamese documents regarding the islands. The volume "Đường từ phủ Phụng Thiên đến Chiêm Thành" (The Route to Champa from Phụng Thiên Province), remarkably described the archipelago with maps. For instance, a statement found in the volume read "In the middle of the sea, there is a long sandbank called Bãi Cát Vàng, which is approximately 400-league long and 20-league wide rising up above the sea." Bãi Cát Vàng means Hoàng Sa, Golden Sandbank.[5][20]
In the 18th century, under instructions of the Nguyễn Lords, the salvage operations officially started with the formation of Hoàng Sa and Bắc Hải Companies. Their responsibility was to carry out the mission at Hoàng Sa (Golden Sandbank) and Vạn Lý Trường Sa (Ten-thousand-league Long Sandbank) respectively. This effort was continued thereafter with successive establishments of other naval task units in accordance with strategic policies toward the two archipelagos under the Nguyễn Dynasty. Noticeably, a number of naval battles between the Dutch fleet and the Nguyễn Royal Navy occurred in 1643 and 1644. The Hoàng Sa naval task unit consisted of 70 men recruited from An Vĩnh and An Hải villages of Quảng Ngãi, while the majority of members of the Bắc Hải Company came from Bình Thuận province.[5][8][21][22]

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Paracel Islands - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Battle of Bach Dang River]

Nice artificial reefs

You were wrong, they are the US' carrier group in the Western Pacific.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Vietnam should not place itself into the crossfire.

If you play with fire you will get burned.

Do not poke sleeping dragons.

 

[Battle of Bach Dang River]

Vietnam should not place itself into the crossfire.

If you play with fire you will get burned.

Do not poke sleeping dragons.

You even think that we should not debate the controversial issue peacefully?
You think that dragon can use its power to swallow things does not belong to its?

Your government for always loudly claims, so why she always showed fear when the parties want to bring the dispute to the specialized organizations of the United Nations to resolve it?

 

[Pakchina]

Pakchina:

Which part or any documents that tell/told you Vietnamese FORGET whatever USA did to Viet Nam? Can you prove it? If you can not prove any documents that relates whatever you mentioned then SHAME ON YOU must apply for YOU.

Let me be clear for you once more time that we are FORGIVE but NEVER FORGET whoever DID BAD THINGS to Viet Nam. (Viet Nam's enemies)

No need to be a Phd or historian, its commonsense, you are inviting the US war criminals to celebrate, this means that you have forgotten all the atrocites and war crimes committed by the GIs. Have the US ever aplogized? Never. Lets say China invite the Hirohito's descent to celebrate, Israel inviting ex nazis to celebrate etc. So either Vietnamese are amnesia or they have never learnt history or even both. Vietnamese are falling in the trap of the US whose policy is to implement a divide and rule policy. You are selling your soul to the evil just to contain China. Shame on you.