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[53fd]

Just like pakistan has isn't it??

Pakistan is not the subject of this thread.

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As India comes into the spotlight more & more internationally, these issues will be raised more often, & its not because others hate or dislike India. Their concerns are perfectly legitimate, since they are the ones giving the financial assistance. If I help a poor person, I would want that person to buy books, getting a good education than spending it on drugs or something.

 

[livingdead]

Pakistan is not the subject of this thread.

---------- Post added at 12:56 AM ---------- Previous post was at 12:55 AM ----------

As India comes into the spotlight more & more internationally, these issues will be raised more often, & its not because others hate or dislike India. Their concerns are perfectly legitimate, since they are the ones giving the financial assistance. If I help a poor person, I would want that person to buy books/getting a good education than spending it on drugs or something.

Can you be more specific and point out where India is lacking. Thanks.

 

[lynx]

India needs to set its priorities right. The difference between a select few and the rest of the nation is staggering. As India comes into the spotlight more & more, these issues will be raised more often, & its not because others hate India. Their concerns are perfectly legitimate, since they are the ones giving the financial assistance. If I help a poor person, I would want that person to buy books/getting a good education than spending it on drugs or something.

OK fair point eventhough I don't know how much you do that in daily life, but British Aid is not given directly to Indian Govt but to many NGOs which are monitored by the UK Govt.Therefore UK has no right to dictate how much money GoI should spend on anything.

 

[Yeti]

This project was funded by a Laxmi Mittal for the UK olympics up to almost £17 million pounds so Aid/development call it what you want works both ways.

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^^^ we already rejected it, that's what the thread is about inferior Indian...

yaar we never rejected it we took the money

 

[Yeti]

Britan is making unneccessary mess out of this deal, it would not have happened in the first place if the aid wasn't brought in between, if anything this is the incompetence of the british govt that it gave aid to poor India, when poor britan itself needs it, IMO , it was a wise defence deal, and britan should not drag India in it's personal affairs, it's the fault of UK's politicians not India and the aid wasn't given to ensure the success of EFT in the deal

Buddy it is just some stupid papers like the Daily Mail which run the same article 3 x in a single week it is not the UK goverment to blame or the majority of the people.

 

[Shaurya]

Pakistan is not the subject of this thread.

---------- Post added at 12:56 AM ---------- Previous post was at 12:55 AM ----------

As India comes into the spotlight more & more internationally, these issues will be raised more often, & its not because others hate or dislike India. Their concerns are perfectly legitimate, since they are the ones giving the financial assistance. If I help a poor person, I would want that person to buy books, getting a good education than spending it on drugs or something.

So I don;'t see your reason to be on this thread either, unless ofocurse ,you want to troll and derail the thread

 

[Yeti]

Pakistan is not the subject of this thread.

---------- Post added at 12:56 AM ---------- Previous post was at 12:55 AM ----------

As India comes into the spotlight more & more internationally, these issues will be raised more often, & its not because others hate or dislike India. Their concerns are perfectly legitimate, since they are the ones giving the financial assistance. If I help a poor person, I would want that person to buy books, getting a good education than spending it on drugs or something.

No the international development program does not link aid to trade what you are stating is breaking UK laws.

 

[53fd]

OK fair point eventhough I don't know how much you do that in daily life, but British Aid is not given directly to Indian Govt but to many NGOs which are monitored by the UK Govt.Therefore UK has no right to dictate how much money GoI should spend on anything.

Of course the UK has no right to dictate how much money the GOI should spend anywhere, but at the end of the day, my point still stands. If you give out financial assistance to a family member, you would not dictate to them where they should spend it (or how much they should spend), but you would expect them to spend it wisely. It's a perfectly understandable thing. If India wants to avoid such unsavory situations in the future, it must do one of the two:

a) Have their spending priorities right

Or

b) Flat out refuse UK aid

 

[Yeti]

DFID - UK aid from the Department for International Development (DFID)


This is the actual website of the UK goverment program you can see where the money is going and how much of it

 

[Gandhi G in da house]

Most Indians here have no problem mocking the aid that the U.K. gives. It's one thing to say that we won't allow it to influence our decisions(as in the case of the selection of Rafale) but quite something else to rubbish the aid that is being given. That smacks of boorish behaviour at best & if the FM actually called the aid 'peanuts', it's most unfortunate. If we don't want the aid, we must refuse to take it (no matter what the persuasion), If accepted, one must always show due respect for the help given. What kind of reaction would one expect if someone called our 'assistance' peanuts & arrogantly informed the whole world that the only reason for the aid existing was because we begged them to accept it?

I do not think the FM announced anything , his words were taken from a leaked Rajya sabha transcript . I have never seen Indians mocking British aid before all these comments against India started appearing in the British media . This is just a natura angry reaction to what all the Brits have been saying since they lost the deal.

I agree we should accept their aid and be thankful for it and previously we have been but when they are cursing on India and Indians the way they are and asking their Govt. not to give aid to this "ungrateful" country am i unjustified in asking my govt. not to take aid from them any further ?

 

[livingdead]

Of course the UK has no right to dictate how much money the GOI should spend anywhere, but at the end of the day, my point still stands. If you give out financial assistance to a family member, you would not dictate to them where they should spend it (or how much they should spend), but you would expect them to spend it wisely. It's a perfectly understandable thing.

Well then does it not subvert India's democratic process and sovereignty.
What if USA says tomorrow, we will give twice the amount, now do as you want, not what UK says.

A smaller country with weaker finance can give up its sovereignty in exchange of Aid, but should India do it?

 

[lynx]

Of course the UK has no right to dictate how much money the GOI should spend anywhere, but at the end of the day, my point still stands. If you give out financial assistance to a family member, you would not dictate to them where they should spend it (or how much they should spend), but you would expect them to spend it wisely. It's a perfectly understandable thing. If India wants to avoid such unsavory situations in the future, it must do one of the two:

a) Have their spending priorities right

Or

b) Flat out refuse UK aid

Read my post again. The NGOs are monitored by UK Govt..so they spent according to the guidelines set by UK and its up to the NGOs to decide on the refusal of UK aid.

 

[Bang Galore]

Of course the UK has no right to dictate how much money the GOI should spend anywhere, but at the end of the day, my point still stands. If you give out financial assistance to a family member, you would not dictate to them where they should spend it (or how much they should spend), but you would expect them to spend it wisely. It's a perfectly understandable thing. If India wants to avoid such unsavory situations in the future, it must do one of the two:

a) Have their spending priorities right

Or

b) Flat out refuse UK aid

While I have criticized some Indian reactions towards the aid received, I find the argument about priorities specious & hypocritical. If the people of the U.K.(more specifically the readers of the Daily mail) opposed the idea of aid being given to a country buying military equipment, surely they should have asked their government to have no part in such an exercise & refuse to offer any products to the Indian military. Having not done that, actually done the very opposite, they are now in no moral position to pontificate on this matter. Was it okay to rip off the "poor Indians" by offering a costly fighter & crib about it only when they lost? Surely that smacks of hypocrisy?

 

[Gandhi G in da house]

Pakistan is not the subject of this thread.

---------- Post added at 12:56 AM ---------- Previous post was at 12:55 AM ----------

As India comes into the spotlight more & more internationally, these issues will be raised more often, & its not because others hate or dislike India. Their concerns are perfectly legitimate, since they are the ones giving the financial assistance. If I help a poor person, I would want that person to buy books, getting a good education than spending it on drugs or something.

India is reducing poverty much faster then Pakistan dont worry .

Here check this out .

From the world bank , take a look at the box 1.1

Global Monitoring Report 2011 - Goal 1: Eradicate Extreme Poverty and Hunger

now please dont troll and comment on the topic of the thread .

 

[lynx]

While I have criticized some Indian reactions towards the aid received, I find the argument about priorities specious & hypocritical. If the people of the U.K.(more specifically the readers of the Daily mail) opposed the idea of aid being given to a country buying military equipment, surely they should have asked their government to have no part in such an exercise & refuse to offer any products to the Indian military. Having not done that, actually done the very opposite, they are now in no moral position to pontificate on this matter. Was it okay to rip off the "poor Indians" by offering a costly fighter & crib about it only when they lost? Surely that smacks of hypocrisy?

The whole debate about Indian poverty & aid came into limelight not bcs India chose a jet fighter but India chose a French jet fighter.