Yeah or not the Qataris now are giving us money for our most strategic projects and we are defending them with a base from Saudi annihilation because claims for supporting terrorism and their relationship to Muslim Brotherhood. Those are the facts. Understand it as you wish.
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So at this point you are in same line with KSA and UAE. What a sad point for you!
Also another thing is if MB is that strong, how the hell they can't beat coupers in their homeland after 5 years? Don't say "public support" because Sisi's so-called election has only %40 participation. Morocco? I was there last year, no sign of MB, Algeria? Nothing. Tunus? Almost same. Result: MB has no power. It's only a toy like ISIS to put pressure on political rivals.
I don't like MB either. But your way of talking is same with American dogs UAE, KSA, Sisi etc. If you want facts, stop reading and spreading shits of zionist media.
So you deny the relation of Qatar to the Muslim Brotherhood? I prefer a objective view including all the factors than AKP Muslim ummah bullsh!t. Those are facts. Qatar is one of the biggest terrorist supporters on that planet and all of the radical extremist groups in Syria are a collective initiative by neighbouring countries with common interests. The Muslim Brotherhood is a powerful organization. The events that weakened the Muslim Brotherhood were the events around the Arab spring and the terrorist organization label that was given by their "brothers". The current ruling party in Tunisia is Muslim Brotherhood affiliated. Morocco is ruled by Muslim Brotherhood coalition with spearhead
JUSTICE AND DEVELOPMENT PARTY from 2011. The Libyan Justice and Development Party is considered a terrorist organization in Libya due to links to the Muslim Brotherhood. The ruling party of Sudan the National Congress Party is being created by the Muslim Brotherhood. Its not about UAE or Saudi Arabia. Its about all the corruption and the relations to terrorist organizations like Hamas that does nothing but only give the authority for Israel to kill more and more Palestinians. The decision that were taken around Qatar were correct and in our national interests. The problem is when there is a personal profits and corruption signals like the close relation of the government to BMC and its shareholders.
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All this is correct, Justice and Development party and the muslim brotherhood are terrorist organizations along with Qatar and many other countries that founded terrorist organizations like ISIS Al Qaeda and Al Nusra.
But why are you ignoring Saudi Arabia and UAE? They too are terrorist supporters.
Senseful people like us should have no horse in this race of terrorism.
I am not ignoring it in any way. The discussion started in the engine thread around the participation of BMC in our strategic projects. If Qatar with the Muslim Brotherhood are terrorist supporters their senior in that field are Saudi Arabia and UAE. I just don't want to neglect the role of Qatar and the MB just because we have some mutual interests and support the image of Qatar being judged falsely and the MB being some sort of angels just because of the Morsi case in Egypt. I think that the relation and the cooperation between AKP and MB is to deep to be neglected. Our people must know with what kind of people we are working over our regional politics and who are the closest friends of our president and the ruling party.
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It is strange that the western powers continuously do audit of third world countries over human rights, women rights, child labor, over political activists but these same powers commit the worst atrocities in Iraq, Syria and now look at Trump separating children from migrant's families on US border. Same thing was done to aboriginal children in Australia and in Canada and now they say that the social experiment failed and we are sorry. The objective behind this move is to destroy the aboriginal/migrant culture and language and use these children as future (Kalay Angraiz/Black Whites). The children also face all types of abuses in the government facilities.
Those colonial powers like UK, France and Germany have got all their colonial atrocities committed just 70 years ago washed away and are now champions of human rights but on the other hand Turkey has to answer for Armenia and other third world countries are regularly taken to task for failing in these parameters. The Blacks in the US are regularly murdered by White Supremacist Policemen and they have filled the jails with Blacks and Hispanics on cooked up charges but there are no human rights for them.
Furthermore. the former Colonies are still considered spheres of influence and these powers have a free hand to put its chosen agents in power. France regularly bombs African countries and has special forces operating there.
Britain has its special commonwealth club and harbors mass murderers like Altaf Hussain who has killed thousands of Pashtuns, Punjabi and Sindhis in Karachi and Hyderabad. It has a hope of making a Hong Kong like mini state in Karachi where it can station its navy when the colonial glory is returned. More over the Bloody Queen has just discovered that she has Arabian ancestral roots from the family of Prophet Mohammad PBUH from a Spanish Muslim Princess.
God knows what plans are behind this revelation amid hopes of former glory after Brexit.
In short, my friends, it is just real politics which determines the policies. Human Rights is just a stick with which the powerful and the media controllers beat the victims into submission.
So don't worry too much about women emancipation. Imran Khan is right to some extent that they are home makers. Don't worry about Child Labour. They have to feed their families and learn a marketable skill in harsh conditions which can be improved. I have seen motorcycle and car mechanics who are 15 years old and taking care their families. What can a matriculate or a MA Urdu do?
Don't be influenced by their media and NGO propaganda. The political activists are given refuge by the West and then they are given the task of criticizing the culture, religion, politics etc.
Their economic policies are a failure and have put us in a debt trap. Similar is the case with Chinese investment. What happens to an individual when he gets a car and a house on long term loan. His living standard improves, he makes more expenses and has to work like a slave to pay back for the next 20 years. Same is the case with these developmental loans.
Sri Lanka had to give up a Port to China because it could not pay back the loan taken for its construction. There are no friends or brotherly countries only interests. Pakistan was a major Non-Nato Ally few years back and is now being black listed.
So live relaxed, don't give any weight to the western propaganda. Our culture and religion are the best and political systems are under development and we have to liberate our selves from the shackles of mental slavery which has become a part of our personality because of 200 years of slavery and adopt sciences and technology and analyze and understand what parts of western society, culture and economics are good for us and what clashes with our noble heritage.
It is they who are living in darkness!
Those colonial powers like UK, France and Germany have got all their colonial atrocities committed just 70 years ago washed away and are now champions of human rights but on the other hand Turkey has to answer for Armenia and other third world countries are regularly taken to task for failing in these parameters. The Blacks in the US are regularly murdered by White Supremacist Policemen and they have filled the jails with Blacks and Hispanics on cooked up charges but there are no human rights for them.
Furthermore. the former Colonies are still considered spheres of influence and these powers have a free hand to put its chosen agents in power. France regularly bombs African countries and has special forces operating there.
Britain has its special commonwealth club and harbors mass murderers like Altaf Hussain who has killed thousands of Pashtuns, Punjabi and Sindhis in Karachi and Hyderabad. It has a hope of making a Hong Kong like mini state in Karachi where it can station its navy when the colonial glory is returned. More over the Bloody Queen has just discovered that she has Arabian ancestral roots from the family of Prophet Mohammad PBUH from a Spanish Muslim Princess.
God knows what plans are behind this revelation amid hopes of former glory after Brexit.
In short, my friends, it is just real politics which determines the policies. Human Rights is just a stick with which the powerful and the media controllers beat the victims into submission.
So don't worry too much about women emancipation. Imran Khan is right to some extent that they are home makers. Don't worry about Child Labour. They have to feed their families and learn a marketable skill in harsh conditions which can be improved. I have seen motorcycle and car mechanics who are 15 years old and taking care their families. What can a matriculate or a MA Urdu do?
Don't be influenced by their media and NGO propaganda. The political activists are given refuge by the West and then they are given the task of criticizing the culture, religion, politics etc.
Their economic policies are a failure and have put us in a debt trap. Similar is the case with Chinese investment. What happens to an individual when he gets a car and a house on long term loan. His living standard improves, he makes more expenses and has to work like a slave to pay back for the next 20 years. Same is the case with these developmental loans.
Sri Lanka had to give up a Port to China because it could not pay back the loan taken for its construction. There are no friends or brotherly countries only interests. Pakistan was a major Non-Nato Ally few years back and is now being black listed.
So live relaxed, don't give any weight to the western propaganda. Our culture and religion are the best and political systems are under development and we have to liberate our selves from the shackles of mental slavery which has become a part of our personality because of 200 years of slavery and adopt sciences and technology and analyze and understand what parts of western society, culture and economics are good for us and what clashes with our noble heritage.
It is they who are living in darkness!
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In Turkish Elections, Erdogan Could Well Be Israel’s Best Bet
Days after the expulsion of the Israeli ambassador, Erdogan’s party voted down a bill to ditch all previous agreements with Israel and sever economic ties, which only increased criticism from the opposition
Davide Lerner Jun 19, 2018 9:18 PM
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During the 16th century war between the Ottoman Empire and the Republic of Venice over Cyprus, Sultan Selim II negotiated the release of Ottoman Jewish sea merchants in exchange for Venetian merchants. As he...
https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east...gan-could-well-be-israel-s-best-bet-1.6194694
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Nonetheless, I believe Israel would prefer the present administration to continue to hold power in Turkey. Because, there have been a nice arrangement between the two sides over the past 15 years.
Israel and Turkey's hardliners seem to be creating conditions for their survival in their respective countries. In this regard, the present AKP government and its chairman needs Israel more than vice versa -- only because Israel now a very strong friend in Washington DC
Israel hates content. Israel does not care about rhetoric. And, over the past 15 years, Turkey's government offered Israel nothing distasteful in terms of content.
Realistically speaking, that's normal -- that the current Turkish government is the best option for Israel.
But it also provides a food for thought for AKP's hard-line Islamist base: Either do not vote for AKP just because it is anti-Israel. Or, just quit the pretense that you are emotionally/religiously attached to the cause of Palestine.
Days after the expulsion of the Israeli ambassador, Erdogan’s party voted down a bill to ditch all previous agreements with Israel and sever economic ties, which only increased criticism from the opposition
Davide Lerner Jun 19, 2018 9:18 PM
Haaretz
During the 16th century war between the Ottoman Empire and the Republic of Venice over Cyprus, Sultan Selim II negotiated the release of Ottoman Jewish sea merchants in exchange for Venetian merchants. As he...
https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east...gan-could-well-be-israel-s-best-bet-1.6194694
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Nonetheless, I believe Israel would prefer the present administration to continue to hold power in Turkey. Because, there have been a nice arrangement between the two sides over the past 15 years.
Israel and Turkey's hardliners seem to be creating conditions for their survival in their respective countries. In this regard, the present AKP government and its chairman needs Israel more than vice versa -- only because Israel now a very strong friend in Washington DC
Israel hates content. Israel does not care about rhetoric. And, over the past 15 years, Turkey's government offered Israel nothing distasteful in terms of content.
Realistically speaking, that's normal -- that the current Turkish government is the best option for Israel.
But it also provides a food for thought for AKP's hard-line Islamist base: Either do not vote for AKP just because it is anti-Israel. Or, just quit the pretense that you are emotionally/religiously attached to the cause of Palestine.
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In Turkish Elections, Erdogan Could Well Be Israel’s Best Bet
Days after the expulsion of the Israeli ambassador, Erdogan’s party voted down a bill to ditch all previous agreements with Israel and sever economic ties, which only increased criticism from the opposition
Davide Lerner Jun 19, 2018 9:18 PM
Haaretz
During the 16th century war between the Ottoman Empire and the Republic of Venice over Cyprus, Sultan Selim II negotiated the release of Ottoman Jewish sea merchants in exchange for Venetian merchants. As he...
https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east...gan-could-well-be-israel-s-best-bet-1.6194694
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Nonetheless, I believe Israel would prefer the present administration to continue to hold power in Turkey. Because, there have been a nice arrangement between the two sides over the past 15 years.
Israel and Turkey's hardliners seem to be creating conditions for their survival in their respective countries. In this regard, the present AKP government and its chairman needs Israel more than vice versa -- only because Israel now a very strong friend in Washington DC
Israel hates content. Israel does not care about rhetoric. And, over the past 15 years, Turkey's government offered Israel nothing distasteful in terms of content.
Realistically speaking, that's normal -- that the current Turkish government is the best option for Israel.
But it also provides a food for thought for AKP's hard-line Islamist base: Either do not vote for AKP just because it is anti-Israel. Or, just quit the pretense that you are emotionally/religiously attached to the cause of Palestine.
Erdogan is a secret friend of Israel under his reign Turkish - Israeli trade volume tripled.
Cooperation in Defence Industry.
Hand in Hand against Syria.
Energy Cooperation.
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Over two days we will take revenge.
i hope for a military coup if that bastard ince sabtoages the fight against the pkk with a new "peace process" and if he ignores the east of euphrates.
PKK bastards already getting wet that ince could possibly win
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...balance/?utm_term=.1b1c6dcc902f&noredirect=on
PKK bastards already getting wet that ince could possibly win
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...balance/?utm_term=.1b1c6dcc902f&noredirect=on
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Why the f*** would he sabotage the fight against PKK? How could any leader sabotage the fight against PKK more than Erdogan? That bastard made peace with them when they were on their last stand. Under Erdogan's rule we have a PKK controlled 'state' next door. He watched it grow day by day for years.
It's clear that he's allowing PKK to survive so he can strike them right before elections. Unlike Erdogan, Muharrem Ince will not hold our forces back. He will allow them to wipe out PKK. Mark my words.
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İnce is just another CHPKK freak. His whole opinion about PKK/Demirtaş/HDP is dangerous. At least Erdoğan has understood his past mistakes regarding PKK...
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His past mistakes about PKK have cost us a 1000 good men and have led to the establishment of a PKK controlled state next door. Stop being a koyun.
Muharrem İnce has to act ambiguous when it comes to Kurds because he needs their votes in order too win. I have no doubt that Ince will destroy PKK once and for all, unlike Erdogan who hasn't allowed our military to actually eliminate PKK.
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This is a flat out lie. It was the military which was against any kind of intervention in Syria in the first place. They repeatedly rejected any attempt by the government to deploy military in Northern Syria with lame excuses. Btw, this no secret at all. Even foreign newspapers like the German Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung mentioned the hesitation of TSK in several articles. Just after the failed coup attempt many pro-military Kemalists - quite often Ulusalcı - suddenly claimed that those who were against the Syria operation in the past are in fact Gülenists. My a##. This is typical Kemalist mindset which is AGAIN adopted by İnce.
CHP = PKK
İNCE = DEMIRTAŞ
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