Turkish Politics & Internal Affairs

[kartal1]

the first constitution which mustafa kemal lead the country by for a while was islamic constitution so one day we will make some changes for the sake of mustafa kemal

those normal muslims - usually atheists in turkey call them as "yobaz" - are making 3 kid, dont drink pray 5 times in a day and vote for erdoğan.

Prove the point with the constitution. We are calling yobaz kind of guys that are not practicing religion normally as our prophet teach us but to the ones following tarikats and mollas. To the ones that are not tolerate to other people with different ideologies and understandings than theirs while they think they are the chosen ones (just like the jews). To the ones claiming and believing ridiculous things that are against the logical thinking. Just like Misiroglu and his followers. Erdogan is not Muslim at all. He is abusing Islam with his illegal actions, and agitating the Turks with false claims.

 

[CAN_TR]

lollolol
secondly turkish constitution is secular (FOR NOW!) but ppl are Not! and even the president hates secularism lol

Turkish constitution is untouchable. (FOR EVER), people are secular especially the young Generation.

By the way is Erdogan not the one who say on TV (Arab) "We want a secular state" or about Egypt "i'm the prime minister of a secular state and i hope there will be a secular state in Egypt.
Erdogan is the one who recommend Secularism to Tunisia and Egypt.

Türk TV'de "Ben laikligi dinsizlik olarak kabul etmiyorum, laikligi din karsi olarak kabul etmiyorum, kisi laik olmaz devlet laik olur"

I support secularism, and i'm a Muslim but i never insult Jews, Atheists and Christians like you did with your comments, NEVER.
Tolerance is something that our Religion teaches us.

 

[kartal1]

republican type of governing is announced in 1923 in turkey but the saying in the constitution "the religion of the state is islam" took off of the constitution in 1928 ... and tariqats thread is not what you know about. all founders of selcuklu empire and ottoman empire were members of tariqats.

also "yunus emre" and " mevlana" are members of tariqats too... but ?

Bu we are not in the time of Mevlana bu in the time of FETO, Menzil and other which are working for the destruction of the secular system and are following personal interests. Not to mention their relation to foreign intelligence services and also Erdogan worked with them. The presence of tarikats, sheikhs and mollas in the Ottoman Empire is one of the reason for the Ottoman Empire to be known around the region for the exporter of Bidah and the model of Islam that "should NOT" be followed.

 

[asena_great]

@muslimminer im an atheists what do u have to say about me ?? just know that the more islamist turkey become the more turkic republics will distances themselves from turkey

anatolia is secular just for less than 100 years! and those atheists jews and secularists arent respective for islam ! and president erdoğan so we wont

 

[kartal1]

the chain those tariqats(except feto, feto is not a tariqat) are tied is about 1000 years old. so we are not just now in a era of tariqats u mentioned. ottoman era is what all ummah look for. the secular system is made in french bcoz of church and against church. is it turkish or islamic? is it unalterable ?

FETO and the tarikats have almost similar system and structure. All of them have its purpose. They gained big popularity and power after the last military coup in Turkey. Organizations like these are serving foreign forces that want to have a word in the internal affairs in Turkey and in the world. They are using that kind of organizations to gather intelligence, make sabotage, infiltrate state institutions and securing ties between state institutions and this kind of organization in order to be used when needed. They even started the transformation of the far right nationalist elements driving them to much more Islamist direction than original ultra nationalist concept. This is because of their changing concept for ideological slavery and the fact that religion sells better. Objects build by FETO like organizations are being used in countries and communities with Turkish influence all over the world. Lets not forget that Erdogan is product of all I said.

 

[asena_great]

you say... race is not important, the important thing is belief...

what?? what are you saying ?? first of all u talk about atheism as if its something like a plague im saying i am an atheist turkmen say what u want to say in my face second im just making it clear all the turkic republics are secular republics and how its people feel about Islamism

 

[kartal1]

what?? what are you saying ?? first of all u talk about atheism as if its something like a plague im saying i am an atheist turkmen say what u want to say in my face second im just making it clear all the turkic republics are secular republics and how its people feel about Islamism

Leave him be brother. Let him abuse and disrespect us as far as he wants. The relation between a man and Allah is special and you made your choice. I as a Muslim respect it and don't want to judge you by any means. He is even trying to defend the tarikats and sheikhs of the same nature with the ones that Ataturk once hanged.

im not going to tell you what is tariqat or not. you cant understand and it takes to much time but...

feto is an about 60years old project by some deep state stuff. for example fetullah gulen was candidate for 1961 elections. and the man who took him to america was "Kasım GÜLEK" (you all guys google it) a great CHP member. kasım gülek is close friends with gülen and he adored gülen. gülek wanted gülen lead the funeral ceremony... (google it)

what i mean its not like you assume that erdogan created gülen....

gülen said " id intercede for ecevit" ecevit was against islam...

I am not saying Erdogan created Gulen. The people behind Gulen created Erdogan and Erdogan together with the people under his command served them well till 2013 and even 15th July. The people who were behind Gulen and even Erdogan till 2013 are the same that were behind the majority of far right nationalist elements. The power of these people was officially crashed after 15th July.

 

[[TR]AHMET]

Tariqats and jamaats are another matters; actually im not supporting those groups too because there was no any these kind of group at Prophet Hz. Mohammad time, all these habits came from Iran through their culture.

Many of Arab countries dont have tariqat and jamaat culture but just saudis have some groups like Iran,

If state train well educated Imams we wont need this kind of groups but state system is too too weak on this matter, imams even cant help themselves also diyanat of state controlled by tariqats and jamaats,

However in this case Islam and our state allways under threat.

If Government want to handle this problem it will take tens of years, it is very hard matter to solve.

 

[kartal1]

Tariqats and jamaats are another matters; actually im not supporting those groups too because there was no any these kind of group at Prophet Hz. Mohammad time, all these habits came from Iran through their culture.

Many of Arab countries dont have tariqat and jamaat culture but just saudis have some groups like Iran,

If state train well educated Imams we wont need this kind of groups but state system is too too weak on this matter, imams even cant help themselves also diyanat of state controlled by tariqats and jamaats,

However in this case Islam and our state allways under threat.

If Government want to handle this problem it will take tens of years, it is very hard matter to solve.

It is not so hard but everyone will start to scream human rights, rights of beliefs and such.

 

[kartal1]

the way u see 15 july and the way feto sees it are parallel

Don't even try it! Years will pass and some truths will be revealed. I just hope it wouldn't be a bloody and dirty process like Susurluk. At least the first step for defeating FETO and their friends is started. Long live Republic of Turkey!

 

[CAN_TR]

View attachment 471007 see? in uzbekistan. our relation with uzbeks and a tariqat sheikh

WOW! ...

 

[UkroTurk]

Guys there are a lot of fundamentalists from Uzbekistan in Ukraine. KSA finances and supports them. They are really dangerous and have contact with ISIS. Ukraine also hires them .

 

[kartal1]

View attachment 471007 see? in uzbekistan. our relation with uzbeks and a tariqat sheikh

I don't remember anywhere when our prophet said that tombs and prayer in tombs are allowed in Islam. If you are proud and you are stating that the relation between Turkey and Uzbekistan is based on Bidah and falsehood and you even praise it as Islamic then that means I am right in my concept> Bidah, Shirk, Falsehood, Lies, Yobazlik.

Guys there are a lot of fundamentalists from Uzbekistan in Ukraine. KSA finance and support them. They are really dangerous and have contact with ISIS. Ukraine also hire them .

Jihadists and extremists from Central Asia and Eastern Turkistan are one of the biggest and if not the biggest percentage for members in jihadi terrorist organizations after the Arabs. You can see a lot of members in terrorist organizations from Tajikistan to. When you have relations with deep religious Uzbekistanis and Tajikistanis its good to check their background. Just advice

 

[[TR]AHMET]

don't remember anywhere when our prophet said that tombs and prayer in tombs are allowed in Islam. If you are proud and you are stating that the relation between Turkey and Uzbekistan is based on Bidah and falsehood and you even praise it as Islamic then that means I am right in my concept> Bidah, Shirk, Falsehood, Lies, Yobazlik.

Agreed, even i m supporter of Erdogan but i reject this kind of movements about tariqat and cemaat structure. Bidadh, shirk etc. Are big threat for all of us.

 

[CAN_TR]

and what do you mean by "terrorists from turkmenistan uzbekistan etc?
what do you mean by "terrorists from central asia and eastern turkistan" ? what about america? is not it the biggest terrorist? israel? is not it the biggest terrorist?

Radical extremist who fight for/with Daesh.

USA/Israel are Terrorists too.