Turkish Politics & Internal Affairs

[OguzSenturk]

we can think Hamas as Independence movement against israel, because israel allways violate of Palastine rights.

Sorry, but this is not even an argument. There is no logic in this sentence. With this logic, YPG is not a Terror Organisation neither since Assad and IS violated their so called lands for a long time

Or, Taliban is not a Terror Organisation because they created against Soviet invasion and aggression

If one person is against one bad guy, it doesn't mean that person is a good person. Most of the time that person is worse.

but as i understand Palastenian people doenst fine with government and its policies, they must be think government and Mahmood Abbas as puppet of Israel, thats why a lot of people still supporting Hamas.

Then you crush those people. There cannot be any justification to sabotage legimate government, and support Terrorists. There is simply no excuse, and there cannot be. If Palestine claims to be a state, they should remove Hamas and their supporters all together.

Otherwise, it means Palestine is not a State, and Israel has every right to control non-claimed lands.

 

[The Eagle]

arap erdo

The highlighted word, what it is it used for?

Can anyone else clarify the use of such word that seems a bit racial while used in such context.

 

[OguzSenturk]

Some racist people use "Gürcü" (georgian) and "arap" (arab) words as an insult. It has been used in that way in that comment against Erdoğan. Since i am against most of Erdoğan's policies, i think his bad policies don't justify to make racism on him.

 

[AnatolianEagle]

The highlighted word, what it is it used for?

Can anyone else clarify the use of such word that seems a bit racial while used in such context.

Expressing dislike of. Not racism instead more hate for someone.

 

[The Eagle]

Indeed we all differ with each other due to many reasons but use of such remarks, even if it is highly hatred, is not allowed nor appreciated at all that the same results in unfriendly/ uncomfortable environment hence, discouraged. (Calling someone like Arab etc in taunt is indeed a racist remark/hatred that cannot be tolerated at all) Our friends here, all are advised to kindly respect the sentiments of each other, agree to disagree and move-on without any provocation or insults as in the end, such behaviour is not going to help make any difference.

Offensive post is removed accordingly and hopefully, wouldn't be needed to remind again as such to not use this kind of language on the forum.

Kindly stay with topic in hand and continue your discussion.

 

[AnatolianEagle]

It is racism to use "arab" word as an insult.

I agree. It's disrespectful.

People call their dog as arab arab arab. I dont think racism was meant to be instead more hate. Is it right? No. That hate makes people do everything. Examples are many in Turkiye.

 

[The Eagle]

@Baybars Han

Let me remind you very politely that you need to be careful with your words and behaviour towards others. Next time, you use such accusation and insulting language, there wouldn't be any reminder before action so treat yourself warned and avoid as such.

Also, you have issues with any post/member, do report like others do and move-on without quoting back or doing so in return so the Mods will take care.

Regards,

 

[Islamic faith&Secularism]

The highlighted word, what it is it used for?

Can anyone else clarify the use of such word that seems a bit racial while used in such context.

If a person is called by a name of his/her own origin in an highly different population of origin, then it could be a deragatory but only in terms of the verbal tone in speech.No law in any country in the world exists and outlaws such usages of names of nations in talks if it is ruled by intellectuality. Is Arab adjective used for an Arab?

Also, if a person admires a nation so much that even s/he mostly ignores his/her own heritage, then calling him/her with the name of admired nation is nothing but ironic criticism, and criticism is not seen as an insult in mature and developed societies but a chance to find better.

In this case, @Baybars Han has the right to express his own intellectuality.

(Reminder: This is a politic thread.)

 

[The Eagle]

If a person is called by a name of his/her own origin in an highly different population of origin, then it could be a deragatory but only in terms of the verbal tone in speech.No law in any country in the world exists and outlaws such usages of names of nations in talks if it is ruled by intellectuality. Is Arab adjective used for an Arab?

Also, if a person admires a nation so much that even s/he mostly ignores his/her own heritage, then calling him/her with the name of admired nation is nothing but ironic criticism, and criticism is not seen as an insult in mature and developed societies but a chance to find better.

Indeed, criticism in view of development, betterment and as an opposite view is appreciated. No one is barred from expressing his/her opinion but on other hand, we have to keep in view that such criticism is not leading to hatred/hateful remarks or provoking the sentiments of others at all. Throwing tantrums or name calling deliberately is not appropriate as well as leads to provocation for others. Also, when I do know proper name of a person/celeb/leader then for the sake of quality and mannered arguments, I wouldn't call as such to anyone that it can also may lead to another chapter of race affiliation and back ground.

While looking at the heat of moment as well as the critical point of view, we all here need to maintain an environment as friendly in which this forums believes so that readers, members and everyone can take more interest into the subjects of their likes. On one hand if a member is calling an opponent with names and all that other side feels offended then its means the same person is creating a way for others to reply back and under the same circumstances, mostly debates and discussions gets diverted. Also, if any member is calling Ataturk with names as such, the same action will be taken accordingly as after all it is more about qualitative and respectful debate rather than name calling and provoking each other.

Intention here and all above discussion was done so that the environment be kept as respectful, friendly as well as inoffensive for all. Hopefully, all will abide by the rules and may remain civil as well as mannered during conversation/debate no matter of differences though productive criticism is welcome.

Regards,

 

[Islamic faith&Secularism]

Indeed, criticism in view of development, betterment and as an opposite view is appreciated. No one is barred from expressing his/her opinion but on other hand, we have to keep in view that such criticism is not leading to hatred/hateful remarks or provoking the sentiments of others at all. Throwing tantrums or name calling deliberately is not appropriate as well as leads to provocation for others. Also, when I do know proper name of a person/celeb/leader then for the sake of quality and mannered arguments, I wouldn't call as such to anyone that it can also may lead to another chapter of race affiliation and back ground.

While looking at the heat of moment as well as the critical point of view, we all here need to maintain an environment as friendly in which this forums believes so that readers, members and everyone can take more interest into the subjects of their likes. On one hand if a member is calling an opponent with names and all that other side feels offended then its means the same person is creating a way for others to reply back and under the same circumstances, mostly debates and discussions gets diverted. Also, if any member is calling Ataturk with names as such, the same action will be taken accordingly as after all it is more about qualitative and respectful debate rather than name calling and provoking each other.

Intention here and all above discussion was done so that the environment be kept as respectful, friendly as well as inoffensive for all. Hopefully, all will abide by the rules and may remain civil as well as mannered during conversation/debate no matter of differences though productive criticism is welcome.

Regards,

Human beings are social entities like most of other species, and unlike instinctive animals, want to prove its existance with the intellectuality in enviromental. the most important tool for expression of existance is verbal, namely words. Words and intellectuality do primarily need a healthy brain, and the brain consumes 20-25% of the oxygen inhaled. Do you think you leave enough oxygen for members to inhale and express their intellectuality on this forum? If yes, lets continue.

Criticism on a platform with multi profiles of members who do not know eachother does solely target the intellectuality in the opponent, for the debate between mutli profiled members can only based on words namely intellectuality, and has no responsibility for the emotions of the opponent as long as the words do not solely target the opponent with insulting adjectives.

So, Is the name of Arab an insulting adjective in general or in this case? if yes ...

then...Will you please ask @Baybars Han why s/he uses the name of Arab for?

After that question answered, i am ready to apologize if it is not a politic criticism based on intellectuality but an insutling purpose.

P.S: I personally wonder if i say Arab Erdo, will i become a racist/swearing or critical person thinking with intellectual and short cut tricks in words?

 

[The Eagle]

After that question answered, i am ready to apologize if it is not a politic criticism based on intellectuality but an insutling purpose.

No one is penalized for this word not even @Baybars Han yet. Also, there was a reason that I posted openly while asking all of friends here like you and others for the opinion and by couple of responses as well as keeping in view the reporting reason against the same, it is clear that rather than use of a term that may need a lot of clarification/ explanation, it would be better to not to use the same in the first place and avoid it. Efforts are made for a better environment so kindly it needs to end here.

The term is not appropriate while using under these circumstances hence, advised to not to repeat.

Regards,

 

[Islamic faith&Secularism]

No one is penalized for this word not even @Baybars Han yet. Also, there was a reason that I posted openly while asking all of friends here like you and others for the opinion and by couple of responses as well as keeping in view the reporting reason against the same, it is clear that rather than use of a term that may need a lot of clarification/ explanation, it would be better to not to use the same in the first place and avoid it. Efforts are made for a better environment so kindly it needs to end here.

The term is not appropriate while using under these circumstances hence, advised to not to repeat.

Regards,

No hesitation on your purpose in the discussion, that is why i get involved in, tried to share some facts about the name of Arab, politic criticism and intellectuality. Thank you for such open minded approach to the matter.

So, The names/Adjectives of Arab,French, German, Pakistani, Muslim, Cristian etc. can be used in any debate as long as it carries a politic criticism based on intellectuality, and no special rules for it.

For example, Some people think: Arap Erdo ignores the PKK/PYD terrorism in south eastern border with Syria and Iraq, but focuses on far and far away Qatar issue,so he deserves to be called Arab.

@Baybars Han ... sakin lütfen.

 

[The Eagle]

What does "not even" mean? You could not find a excuse to ban me? Why is the guy called tesla that was posting monkey pictures and insults not banned yet?

Your signature says it all, you have a weak spot for the arabs.

This is the third time that you are posting provocative, unethically and ill-mannered so finally, the last time I am reminding you that avoid such. Not even a worthy of reply post at all but still, due to the courtesy, I am trying to let you know the last time.

As you are not banned hence, him or etc.

The red highlighted part must not be repeated or otherwise, I wouldn't remind you further at all. You both are informed softly initially that action is not taken against you even of that violation. Two wrongs wouldn't make one right so report such posts/members and move-on without doing so in return otherwise, both will be treated as same without any difference.

So, The names/Adjectives of Arab,French, German, Pakistani, Muslim, Cristian etc. can be used in any debate as long as it carries a politic criticism based on intellectuality, and no special rules for it.

As I said, when a term being used that needs a lot of explanation in the end for the purpose to prove it right, is actually creating a rift among many members hence, discouraged. From all the observation, it has been noticed that mostly such call signs are used to provoke the opponents, therefore, everyone is advised to use proper name accordingly so any misunderstanding can be avoided in advance.

Regards,

 

[Islamic faith&Secularism]

As I said, when a term being used that needs a lot of explanation in the end for the purpose to prove it right, is actually creating a rift among many members hence, discouraged. From all the observation, it has been noticed that mostly such call signs are used to provoke the opponents, therefore, everyone is advised to use proper name accordingly so any misunderstanding can be avoided in advance.

Regards,

You are simply saying A person could be more intellectual or smart, but has to be as smart/intellectual as the opponent, so there could be a productive discussion and no misunderstanding in the end.

No offense intented...Are you serious?

 

[The Eagle]

You are simply saying A person could be more intellectual or smart, but has to be as smart/intellectual as the opponent, so there could be a productive discussion and no misunderstanding in the end.

No. It is simply an effort to clarify that offending and provocative words are not allowed to be used.

Thanks.