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What's the conflict over exactly? Could you summarize it in short?
impossible, there are way too many aspects

Even the PKK leadership has different goals than their subjects. They're brainwashing the kurdish youth by marxist, communist thoughts (supposedly) but the organization itself is ethnic nationalist, fascist. I don't know what they believe anymore, and to be honest I don't give a crap :police:.

They are responsible for the deaths of 40 thousand innocent people. Their atrocities will not be forgotten. And they will remain the biggest source of hate between two peoples.
 
impossible, there are way too many aspects

Even the PKK leadership has different goals than their subjects. They're brainwashing the kurdish youth by marxist, communist thoughts (supposedly) but the organization itself is ethnic nationalist, fascist. I don't know what they believe anymore, and to be honest I don't give a phuck.

They are responsible for the deaths of 40 thousand innocent people. Their atrocities will not be forgotten. And they will remain the biggest source of hate between two peoples.
40 thousand innocent people ??????? how did they do that
and how many kurds are living in turkey ?
 
impossible, there are way too many aspects

Even the PKK leadership has different goals than their subjects. They're brainwashing the kurdish youth by marxist, communist thoughts (supposedly) but the organization itself is ethnic nationalist, fascist. I don't know what they believe anymore, and to be honest I don't give a crap :police:.

They are responsible for the deaths of 40 thousand innocent people. Their atrocities will not be forgotten. And they will remain the biggest source of hate between two peoples.

Is it over a land dispute? It's different from the Israeli/Palestinian conflict right? Btw, what are your personal views on that?
 
Is it over a land dispute? It's different from the Israeli/Palestinian conflict right? Btw, what are your personal views on that?
My view on that is a man who negotiates with terrorists has to be immoral and an immoral man isn't fit to rule a country. That's why Erdogan needs to go.

We have been giving Kurds ethnical rights lately, I've nothing against it, I think they must be recognized as a minority and their schools must be seperated from our education system. But whatever we do with our citizens of kurdish origin doesn't concern PKK, they've signed their death certificates the moment they pulled a gun on the state.

PKK must be destroyed and it's members must be brought to justice.
 
My view on that is a man who negotiates with terrorists has to be immoral and an immoral man isn't fit to rule a country. That's why Erdogan needs to go.

We have been giving Kurds ethnical rights lately, I've nothing against it, I think they must be recognized as a minority and their schools must be seperated from our education system. But whatever we do with our citizens of kurdish origin doesn't concern PKK, they've signed their death certificates the moment they pulled a gun on the state.

PKK must be destroyed and it's members must be brought to justice.

I still think this is BS, and I meant your views on I/P.

I'm also asking about Kurdish-Turkish conflict, is it over land?
 
40 thousand innocent people ??????? how did they do that
and how many kurds are living in turkey ?
They have raided south eastern Turkey, lots of villages got burned, people got killed, raped... unspeakable atrocities have been made.

There's no official number but a few millions
I still think this is BS, and I meant your views on I/P.
I'm also asking about Kurdish-Turkish conflict, is it over land?
Dammit people do some research!

and if you're gonna call my opinions BS,
stop asking for them
 
Dammit people do some research!

and if you're gonna call my opinions BS,
stop asking for them

They want separation, I don't agree with that, since they're integrated into Turkey. I said the article was BS because it's BS. I asked for your opinion on I/P conflict which you haven't given.

Meanwhile I disagree with your idea they since Turkey is enormously more powerful than the Kurds they should go and start killing them when there's peace.
 
They want separation, I don't agree with that, since they're integrated into Turkey. I said the article was BS because it's BS. I asked for your opinion on I/P conflict which you haven't given.

Meanwhile I disagree with your idea they since Turkey is enormously more powerful than the Kurds they should go and start killing them when there's peace.

well we would be killing pkk not normal kurds.
 
[quote="Kaan, post: 5540675, member: 154627"




well we would be killing pkk not normal kurds.[/quote]

Civilians will still be killed, there's in need for perpetual violence IMO. Only when it's necessary, this guy legiinarr is just an anti Erdogan nutjob who wants him gone for whatever personal reason.
 
Abdullah Öcalan, leader of the separatist terror organisation, was elected to the honorary membership of the Armenian Authors' Association for "his contributions to the idea of Greater Armenia".

A Kurdistan Committee was formed within the Armenian Popular Movement like in many European countries.

On 4 June 1993, a meeting was held at the headquarters of PKK terrorist organisation at West Beyrouth with the participation of representatives from the Armenian Hinchak Party, ASALA and PKK.

Another striking example of the Armenian-PKK ties are the following resolutions adopted in meetings held at two separate churches from 6 to 9 September 1993 with the participation of Lebanese Armenian Orthodox Archbishop, officials of the Armenian Party and about 150 youth leaders:

A somewhat sedate attitude should be reserved toward Turkey for the time being.

The Armenian community is on the way to growth and better economic strength.

The propaganda activities have started to make the genocide claims better understood in the rest of the world.

The newly founded Armenian State with a constantly growing territory will definitely avenge the ancestors of its citizens.

The Western powers and particularly the United States side with and favour the Armenians in the combat for Nagorno Karabakh. This opportunity should be well exploited as more and more Armenian young men join the ranks in this fight.

The perpetual terrorist attacks in Turkey (meaning the PKK's actions) will continue and eventually collapse the country's economy, leading to an uprising by the entire population.

Turkey will be abolish and a Kurdish State will be formed.

Armenians will hold good relations with the Kurds and support their fight.

Territories presently held by the Turks will the Armenian's tomorrow.

PUBLICATION ORGANS OF TERRORIST ORGANISATION PKK IN ARMENIA

The newspapers Reya Taze and Bota Redaksiyon are published in Armenia in Cyrillic alphabet under the control of terrorist organisation PKK with the help of PKK members coming from Turkey and Europe and carries out propaganda for the PKK.

PKK-ASALA RELATIONS

The Armenian terrorism at international first started basis in 1973 and began to gain impetus after the 1974 Cyprus Peace Operation with attacks or terrorist nature against Turks and Turkish representations abroad with sabotages and outright assaults.

Upon resurrection of the Kurdish terrorist movement that began to show itself in a variety of legal political entities from '70s onward, the Armenian terror organisation ASALA ceded its place in 1984 to the PKK that killed without distinction of Turk or Kurd in a bloodthirsty manner under the guidance of Abdullah Öcalan.

Yet in prior to that date, of the co-operation between terrorist organisations ASALA and PKK was known manifesting in the training of ASALA militants at PKK's trannie camps, the joint operations and declamations by them both and training support provided at the PKK camps by Armenian experts, not to mention the organic ties between the terrorist organisation PKK and Armenian Tashnak Sutyun Party.

The common goal of the co-operation between the terrorist organisations PKK and ASALA is to establish States in Turkey's Southeastern and Eastern under the Marxist-Leninist ideology. Since, however, an overview of the areas on which both organisations had schemes, it may be deduced that one of these organisations acts as the other's mercenaries.

An examination of the discovered documents revealed that the militants of ASALA and PKK terrorist organisations underwent training at the Bekaa and Zeli camps.

1987 AGREEMENT BETWEEN PKK AND ARMENIANS

An agreement was concluded between the separatist terror organisation PKK and Armenians in 1987. Following are the highlights of this agreement:

1. Armenians will be involved in training activities within the PKK terror organisation.

2. Five thousand American Dollars per annum will be paid to the PKK terror organisation per capita by the Armenian side.

3. The Armenians will participate in the small-scale operations.

As the Armenian component began to acquire a significantly elevated position within the organisation as a result of this agreement, the following resolutions were adopted in a meeting held on 18 April 1990 with a person named Hermes Samurai, reported to be the official responsible for the PKK-ASALA relations:

1. The PKK and ASALA terrorist organisations will be under a joint command from that date on.

2. The Armenians will undertake intelligence work on the Turkish security forces.

3. Territories gained through the expected revolution will be equally shared between the parties.

4. Seventy-five percent of training camp expenses will be borne by the Armenians.

5. Operations will be conducted at the metropolitan cities in Turkey.

The terrorist organisation PKK that moved its bases into Northern Iraq after because of very heavy blows dealt in the transborder operations and lost all possibilities of sheltering there is known to have entered into arrangements for shifting some of its cadres to Iran and Armenia where it started an active subversive operation toward Turkey.

It has also been learned that a group of European representatives of the terrorist organisation PKK paid a visit to Armenia where they concluded an agreement with the Armenian leaders for the unhindered ingress to and egress from Kars region by their militants, that Armenia offered sheltering, monetary and equipment support to the Kurdish settlements in that country following the dissolution of the Soviet Union and the formal proclamation of the Armenian Republic. Similarly, a group of militants of the terrorist organisation PKK left Urmiah for Armenia on three vehicles on 19 and 20 May 1992 for fighting against Azerite Turks together with the Armenians.

..:: REPUBLIC OF TURKEY MINISTRY OF CULTURE AND TOURISM ::..

'Israeli drones aiding PKK activities in Turkey' | JPost | Israel News

Turkish Minister Şahin slams Iran for providing support to PKK/KCK - Today's Zaman, your gateway to Turkish daily news

CNN - Ocalan reportedly implicates Greeks in supporting PKK - February 22, 1999

http://www.diplomaticobserver.com/EN/belge/2-2659/note-on-relations-between-greece-and-pkk.html
 
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[quote="Kaan, post: 5540675, member: 154627"




well we would be killing pkk not normal kurds.

Civilians will still be killed, there's in need for perpetual violence IMO. Only when it's necessary, this guy legiinarr is just an anti Erdogan nutjob who wants him gone for whatever personal reason.[/quote]
can you please stop judging people by how they view the brotherhood and he is right about something there can be no negotiations with any armed group inside the country borders i dont know much about the pkk but if i was turk i would say the same however i cant beleive the number 40 thousand killed it is just too much
 
Civilians will still be killed, there's in need for perpetual violence IMO. Only when it's necessary, this guy legiinarr is just an anti Erdogan nutjob who wants him gone for whatever personal reason.
can you please stop judging people by how they view the brotherhood and he is right about something there can be no negotiations with any armed group inside the country borders i dont know much about the pkk but if i was turk i would say the same however i cant beleive the number 40 thousand killed it is just too much
40 thousand is the number of total casualitys, civil and non civil from booth sides in 35 years.

Oh and @Hazzy997 look how reliable pkk is, i think peace talks are just a farce to give the people the feeling of security.
Withdrawn PKK militants begin return to Turkey, intel report says - POLITICS
 
Civilians will still be killed, there's in need for perpetual violence IMO. Only when it's necessary, this guy legiinarr is just an anti Erdogan nutjob who wants him gone for whatever personal reason.

Of course, personal reasons... He used to love this girl but Sultan Erdogan stole her for his harem, so Legi is mad at him :cuckoo:

You are obviously clueless about the situation in Turkey. So why commenting?

And no, civilians won't and shouldn't be killed.
 
Ethnic nationalism can not be viable in Ottoman Ummah because the Kurds are also Muslimiiin.
Astaghforellah lol
Hey Shia, we will finish pkk with Allahs help, they are communist infidels and we will behad them with the sword of Ummah, insAllah.
May god give strenght to our Mujahideens in their Jihad against the infidels.

BTW: Iran will be our next step and will be liberated from the infidel Shias by the Ottoman Ummah InsAllah.
 

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