Turkish Land Vehicle Programs

[Azeri440]

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pretty disappointed in these vehicles, only 4 missiles that have a range of 2.5km is a pretty small armament for a dedicated anti-tank vehicle, Kaplan is specially disappointing because it doesn't have automated reloading capability, Turkey should of looked at what Russia uses as dedicated anti-tank vehicles

Khrizantema S

Kornet D

 

[UkroTurk]

Tanks cost 5 million,Light tanks with Cannon 1-2 million,wheeled vehicles with Cannon 1million dollars , they dont have accuracy though.
Every shot from cannon can't destroye enemies vehicle.

But this vehicles with anti tank missile cost max 1 million dollar may be cheaper. However They have accuracy.One shot and destroye enemy tank. This is the most cost effiency variant.
They are enough against our enemies Ifvs and tanks.

 

[elitesoldier]

We have anti-tank companies in brigades. These vehicles will donate those battalions.

And also, around us, there are thousands of tanks .. by having these kind of anti-tank system, we can reduce our tank amount.

dedicated anti-tank vehicles should carry high number of missiles ( 12-16 missiles ) , long rang ( 8-12km) and automated reload system ... that's what I called dedicated anti-tank vehicle

 

[mehmet75]

May be in BS Galactica universe. i dont know that kind of weapon system in real world.

dedicated anti-tank vehicles should carry high number of missiles ( 12-16 missiles ) , long rang ( 8-12km) and automated reload system ... that's what I called dedicated anti-tank vehicle

 

[Bismarck]

May be in BS Galactica universe. i dont know that kind of weapon system in real world.

But the idea is nice...

 

[Hexciter]

dedicated anti-tank vehicles should carry high number of missiles ( 12-16 missiles ) , long rang ( 8-12km) and automated reload system ... that's what I called dedicated anti-tank vehicle

Like the cancelled US LAM/PAM or Netfires system!

http://www.designation-systems.net/dusrm/app4/netfires.html

 

[Azeri440]

May be in BS Galactica universe. i dont know that kind of weapon system in real world.

Khrizantema S

Kornet D

ATF-10

Israeli tank with 12 Spike NLOS

 

[Oguzhan]

That thing with the Kornet inside is what you think but our system can also carry 5-6 personal.
I also expect high stability and parachute droppable.If it carry more missles,than it will be much more expensive and can not carry personal which is a con.
Most probably Omstas has a range of 4-5km and it is a fire and forget missile than veichel can fire and change place.

 

[Azeri440]

That thing with the Kornet inside is what you think but our system can also carry 5-6 personal.
I also expect high stability and parachute droppable.If it carry more missles,than it will be much more expensive and can not carry personal which is a con.
Most probably Omstas has a range of 4-5km and it is a fire and forget missile than veichel can fire and change place.

but then its not a dedicated AT vehicle, its just an APC with a different turret configuration.

 

[Oguzhan]

what is appearent is that,theese things will also carry personal.
2 or 4 must be enough as they thing.

I like the way Israil did.Maybe we can use Sabra bodies for something like this,or even m60 bodies.Any body would be ok.

 

[UkroTurk]

That thing with the Kornet inside is what you think but our system can also carry 5-6 personal.
I also expect high stability and parachute droppable.If it carry more missles,than it will be much more expensive and can not carry personal which is a con.
Most probably Omstas has a range of 4-5km and it is a fire and forget missile than veichel can fire and change place.

KAPLAN 10 cant carry 5-6 personal. Cabin crew of KAPLAN 10 consists of 4 people.
KAPLAN 20 can carry more person.

dedicated anti-tank vehicles should carry high number of missiles ( 12-16 missiles ) , long rang ( 8-12km) and automated reload system ... that's what I called dedicated anti-tank vehicle

Why do you think this platform is not succesfull and effective.
If you use completed reloading mechanism on this kind of vehicle, they wont be cheap,simple and reliable.

Long range missiles with 10km range are hard to use. In order to accuracy launcher vehicle has to have good sensors , even radars.
KAPLAN 10 is very smart. Light, simple, fast, has anti-think missile, has STANAG 4 armour and the most important cheap.

Tank Fights take maximum 45 minutes in combat scenarious.
If a tank or IFV survives 45 minutes, it will complete its mission.

Do you think this girl with her anti-tank missile less effective than your complicated infantry fighting vehicles

Or this guys wont be able win the fight?

dedicated anti-tank vehicles should carry high number of missiles ( 12-16 missiles ) , long rang ( 8-12km) and automated reload system ... that's what I called dedicated anti-tank vehicle

In the older variant, the engine was behind. In the new one, on the front!
The most noticable difference!

http://www.fnss.com.tr/haber/kaplan-gelecegin-hafif-paletli-zirhli-arac-konsepti
KAPLAN Geleceğin Hafif Paletli Zırhlı Araç Konsepti
KAPLAN, hafif ve düşük siluetli, yol ve arazi koşullarında üstün hareket yeteneğine sahip bir araçtır. Araç arka kısma yerleştirilmiş, en az 25 BG/ton güç-ağırlık oranını sağlayan, dört zamanlı bir dizel motora sahiptir. Motorun arka kısımda olması sayesinde, aracın ön kısmında şoför ve araç komutanı yan yana oturmaktadır. Ön kısımda bulunan sekiz adet periskop personele çok geniş bir görüş alanı sunmaktadır. Motorun arka kısımda bulunması aynı zamanda araca düşük ısıl ve ses izi avantajını sağlamaktadır. Bu sayede aracın tespit edilebilirliği önemli ölçüde azaltılmıştır.

Why did they put the engine in front?
When they first time showed the KAPLAN 10, they were proud of place of engine.
They said front engine causes more IR signals and noise.??

Now driver and commander dont seat near. Commander behind of driver. Large tower with 8 window was in front of the vehicle.

Now two towers. One little for driver at the right side in front of the vehicle. Behind it the second tower for commander.
Turret is not middle of the top. Turret is based on the left of top.
Because of that Big 25mm cannon can not be mounted. We should forget 25mm gun with this vehicle.

 

[Hexciter]

Turret is not middle of the top. Turret is based on the left of top.
Because of that Big 25mm cannon can not be mounted. We should forget 25mm gun with this vehicle.

http://www.fnss.com.tr/urun/saber-25

 

[UkroTurk]

The old version KAPLAN 10 had rubber or gum track.
Ingilizce nasil olacak bilmiyorum paletlerinde lastikten yapmislardi. Ilk defa uygulanan bir yontemdi. Lastik paletler Sessiz gitmesini ve gezdigi yollari bozmamasini sagliyordu. Tabiiki agirligi dusuruyordu.

Ilk versiyonda herkes yan yana oturuyordu. Simdi zavalli sofor sikisacak. Komutan ve sofor kuleleri yuzunden buyuk taret eklemek zor olur.
Saber 25 taretinde sigacagini sanmam. Icerisi zaten daracik birde taret girerse kimildayacak yer kalmaz.
Neyse yinede guzel. Modern tam bir tank killer. 1000 tane yapsinlar
Tanklara dunya kadar para yatirana kadar, kucucuk araclarla milyon dolarlik tanklari,IFVleri, BTRleri perisan etmek mumkun.

 

[Oguzhan]

KAPLAN 10 cant carry 5-6 personal. Cabin crew of KAPLAN 10 consists of 4 people.
KAPLAN 20 can carry more person.


Why do you think this platform is not succesfull and effective.
If you use completed reloading mechanism on this kind of vehicle, they wont be cheap,simple and reliable.

Long range missiles with 10km range are hard to use. In order to accuracy launcher vehicle has to have good sensors , even radars.
KAPLAN 10 is very smart. Light, simple, fast, has anti-think missile, has STANAG 4 armour and the most important cheap.

Tank Fights take maximum 45 minutes in combat scenarious.
If a tank or IFV survives 45 minutes, it will complete its mission.

Do you think this girl with her anti-tank missile less effective than your complicated infantry fighting vehicles

Or this guys wont be able win the fight?

http://www.fnss.com.tr/haber/kaplan-gelecegin-hafif-paletli-zirhli-arac-konsepti
KAPLAN Geleceğin Hafif Paletli Zırhlı Araç Konsepti
KAPLAN, hafif ve düşük siluetli, yol ve arazi koşullarında üstün hareket yeteneğine sahip bir araçtır. Araç arka kısma yerleştirilmiş, en az 25 BG/ton güç-ağırlık oranını sağlayan, dört zamanlı bir dizel motora sahiptir. Motorun arka kısımda olması sayesinde, aracın ön kısmında şoför ve araç komutanı yan yana oturmaktadır. Ön kısımda bulunan sekiz adet periskop personele çok geniş bir görüş alanı sunmaktadır. Motorun arka kısımda bulunması aynı zamanda araca düşük ısıl ve ses izi avantajını sağlamaktadır. Bu sayede aracın tespit edilebilirliği önemli ölçüde azaltılmıştır.

Why did they put the engine in front?
When they first time showed the KAPLAN 10, they were proud of place of engine.
They said front engine causes more IR signals and noise.??

Now driver and commander dont seat near. Commander behind of driver. Large tower with 8 window was in front of the vehicle.

Now two towers. One little for driver at the right side in front of the vehicle. Behind it the second tower for commander.
Turret is not middle of the top. Turret is based on the left of top.
Because of that Big 25mm cannon can not be mounted. We should forget 25mm gun with this vehicle.

As i know 4 personel,1 driver and 1 gunner.
And the girl is hot.

 

[[TR]AHMET]

Army guys must be calculate everythings, just we dont know all these informations, they must design it according to Army requirments. TAF allways mind high mobility, hit and back also it is hard to kill 8 mbt at the same time, it is just dream. AT vehicles will be work all with mechanized troops.