Turkish court sentences top pianist accused of tweets that insulted Islam

[T-123456]

or should i have said one of the worst?

if he is a pianist, artist, then he should spread peace through his art, then spread religious hatred and intolerance[/QUOTE
There is a difference between irony and insult.

 

[Azazel]

or should i have said one of the worst?

if he is a pianist, artist, then he should spread peace through his art, then spread religious hatred and intolerance

This is what's wrong,You can't set rules for people to what to say.Everybody is entitled to have his/her opinion.Your post itself is an insult for artists.Yo have right to decide what they should say.

Insulting any particular religious belief is not a crime.Freedom of speeches should only be limited to exceptional cases like Obscenity,Child Pornography,Threats of violence and speech are based on intellectual property rights.

 

[-SINAN-]

He has control over what goverment can control and thats why interest rates were reduced because the instution that controls the interest rates (Central Bank) is state controlled. Btw, abortion isn't banned in Turkey, what do you think Turkey is?

Deno you know what i mean. Eveything going on Turkey looks between the two lips of this man. You know the Çamlıca mosque discussion right ? He always says the last word and case closed.

And no, Presidental system leads to nothing but problematic solutions and divide the nations on political terms. Just look at US of A. I can't think of any state that has this much division in society based on political terms. And I can't think how much more totalitarian AKP will get after Presidental system, considering their ridiculus behaviours.

Did you remember the Ecevit-Bahçeli coalition. Our PM said "we don't want peace in our region, we want war" Banks go bankrupcy. Before that Çiller-Erbakan coaliton. They literally fvcked up Turkey's economy.

I never voted for Erdogan and never will but if he wasn't so obsessed with religion i would. AKP's achivements in 10 years is huge.

 

[W.11]

Would you have said something if he''insulted''christians,jews,budhists,atheist?
Honest opinion!

thats for jews and christians to raise their voice, insulting any religion in my opinion should not be made legal, infact its very easy to insult anybody rather than ask logical questions and make logical statements

This is what's wrong,You can't set rules for people to what to say.Everybody is entitled to have his/her opinion.Your post itself is an insult for artists.Yo have right to decide what they should say.

Insulting any particular religious belief is not a crime.Freedom of speeches should only be limited to exceptional cases like Obscenity,Child Pornography,Threats of violence and speech are based on intellectual property rights.

and anybody can use this freedom of speech, which is infact good, for bad purposes, for instance, it can easily create religious violance in india, remember gujrat?, it takes one spark to initiate a massive fire

in my opinion one should only use logics if he wants to criticise anybody or anything forget religion only, freedom doesnt mean you use your garbage mouth freely trying to mock millions of people with your foul tongue

 

[JonAsad]

Dont know why some lunatics think that insulting Allah or Islam is the only way to exercise "Freedom of speech"-

I dare you to Exercise this freedom of speech in europe about "holocaust" or "anti semitism"-

Yeah right fcuk freedom of speech against the jews-

 

[Azazel]

and anybody can use this freedom of speech, which is infact good for bad purposes, for instance, it can easily create religious violance in india, remember gujrat?, it takes one spark to initiate a massive fire

in my opinion one should only use logics if he wants to criticise anybody or anything forget religion only, freedom doesnt mean you use your garbage mouth freely trying to mock millions of people with your foul tongue

Then why do you have a Govt,Its the job of the Govt to stop the violence and protect the free speech.Of course I know its too much to ask from third world countries like India and Pakistan.But its a travesty to see artists like MF Hussein or Fazil Say get persecuted in the name of religion.And freedom does mean the right to criticize religion and religious beliefs.There is nothing wrong in that.

if religion and faith are a personal matter, then why should a guy mock on the personal belief of other people, these two things which west believes in and implements them completely contradict each other

What is so contradictory here??

 

[T-123456]

thats for jews and christians to raise their voice, insulting any religion in my opinion should not be made legal, infact its very easy to insult anybody rather than ask logical questions and make logical statements



and anybody can use this freedom of speech, which is infact good, for bad purposes, for instance, it can easily create religious violance in india, remember gujrat?, it takes one spark to initiate a massive fire

in my opinion one should only use logics if he wants to criticise anybody or anything forget religion only, freedom doesnt mean you use your garbage mouth freely trying to mock millions of people with your foul tongue

No,this shows how you think about the issue.
If it was about insults,you would have said the same but you leave it to ''them''(christians,jews.budhists,atheist) so i find it bs.
So only if they insult Muslims you raise your voice?
That to me is hypocrasy.

 

[TurAr]

these atheists are bigots, haters, and extremists

there are tonnes of other atheists on the net, who do not engage in bigotry

Fazıl Say said pretty much the same thing that you are saying, but his target was muslims.

How would you feel if you had to serve 10 month jail time, just because of those words?

Dont know why some lunatics think that insulting Allah or Islam is the only way to exercise "Freedom of speech"-

I dare you to Exercise this freedom of speech in europe about "holocaust" or "anti semitism"-

Yeah right fcuk freedom of speech against the jews-

Why did you even thank my post #9?

 

[W.11]

No,this shows how you think about the issue.
If it was about insults,you would have said the same but you leave it to ''them''(christians,jews.budhists,atheist) so i find it bs.
So only if they insult Muslims you raise your voice?
That to me is hypocrasy.

what type of IQ you have i have just mentioned that insulting any religion shouldnt be allowed in my very first sentence which you have apparently missed because you have worn the glasses of some biased reading with narrow mindedness, if a muslim insults christian i will deplore that act because a muslim did such an act but else i wont bother because its none of my business being christian

why would i raise my voice is some guy insults christians?, are christians raising their voice against insult against islam? i dont think so, is church in forefront when prophet muhammad cartoon was being published and agitated against the action? no!

but as a believer i expect that any religion shouldnt be insulted and mocked

Then why do you have a Govt,Its the job of the Govt to stop the violence and protect the free speech.Of course I know its too much to ask from third world countries like India and Pakistan.But its a travesty to see artists like MF Hussein or Fazil Say get persecuted in the name of religion.And freedom does mean the right to criticize religion and religious beliefs.There is nothing wrong in that.

if i insult your mother, what consequences will i face bro, its very natural isnt it? we are not animals, we are a civilised society of humans and we must respect each other, or ealse try to except the consequences

as i said west is full of paradox and contradiction, if religion is a personal matter, one shouldnt insult one's personal beliefs, because its none of your matter, somehow religion is a personal matter, insulting religion or intruding into personal matter isnt a crime

 

[W.11]

insulting the holocaust is a crime, insulting a personal belief isnt

 

[T-123456]

what type of IQ you have i have just mentioned that insulting any religion shouldnt be allowed in my very first sentence which you have apparently missed because you have worn the glasses of some biased reading with narrow mindedness, if a muslim insults christian i will deplore that act because a muslim did such an act but else i wont bother because its none of my business being christian

why would i raise my voice is some guy insults christians?, are christians raising their voice against insult against islam? i dont think so, is church in forefront when prophet muhammad cartoon was being published and agitated against the action? no!

but as a believer i expect that any religion shouldnt be insulted and mocked



if i insult your mother, what consequences will i face bro, its very natural isnt it? we are not animals, we are a civilised society of humans and we must respect each other, or ealse try to except the consequences

as i said west is full of paradox and contradiction, if religion is a personal matter, one shouldnt insult one's personal beliefs, because its none of your matter, somehow religion is a personal matter, insulting religion or intruding into personal matter isnt

That is the difference,here where i live the christians do raise their voice if some of them try to insult us muslims,we stand up for each other no matter what religion.
My IQ is enough for me at least i use some of my IQ to make a point,the problem with your IQ is that its so high you didnt get the point.

 

[TurAr]

no im asking what consequence i will face if i accept the fact of history which armenian genocide is according to your very own western friends like holocaust which you are so eagerly to accept and want me to get used to it?

this very part of debate in which we are discussing whats the consequence of accepting and denying the fact, because according to turks the fact is non existant, and according to very same turks, the non existant fact is infact the fact of history

so how do i embrace some facts and deny some?

It seems denying facts and believing absurdities is your job mate, not mine.

 

[Durrak]

Then you should Never Say Islam is the only true religion and Allah only True god because by doing so you are insulting all the other religions .

Why should i deny my own believes .. I never said anything about others religion neither i implement my thinking on other like some people are trying to do ....

 

[Cherokee]

Why should i deny my own believes .. I never said anything about others religion neither i implement my thinking on other like some people are trying to do ....

Obviously and why should Pianist deny his belief ?? Nor was he trying to implement anything . He said it on a social networking forum as his personal views why are you so gassed up over it ??

 

[Cherokee]

I am assuming these are your beliefs, and your religion. Be happy with them. And dont come here with an agenda against Islam.

Here we go another ones pulls up a victim card . Please spare me from this victimhood Tripe .