Turkish company Roketsan joins IDAS common submarine missile project

[BordoEnes]

The Turkish company Roketsan and the German IDAS Consortium formed by ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems and Diehl BGT Defence signed a cooperation agreement to develop and supply the submarine-launched IDAS (= Interactive Defence and Attack System for Submarines) missile. The accord was inked at the IDEF Trade Show in Istanbul on May 9, 2013. The signature ceremony took place in the presence of Thomas Kossendey, member of the German Parliament and parliamentarian secretary to the federal minister of defence and the German Armament Director Detlef Selhausen.

IDAS in action
(Image: ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems)

IDAS provides new self-defence and asymmetric warfare capabilities for submerged submarines to engage
threats from the air, naval vessels as well as coastal targets. The submarine can launch the multi-role missile
from a torpedo tube under water by means of a launching container. Aided by an innovative fibre-optic data link,
the operator in the submarine is capable of controlling the missile during the entire flight offering the opportunity
of target change, correction of the target impact point or mission abort. The system can be refitted also into
existing submarines with minor effort.

(front row from left): Mr. Malgowski (ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems), Mr. Rauch (Diehl), Mr. Yasar (Roketsan)
(second row from left) Mr. Reuter (ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems), Mr. Pohl (German Ambassador), Mr. Selhausen (German Armament Director), Mr. Kossendey (Member of the German Parliament and Parlamentary Secretary of the Federal Minister of Defence), Mr. Möller (Diehl) and Dr. Atzpodien (ThyssenKrupp Industrial Solutions).

Currently the IDAS Consortium is conducting an Initial Development Program (IDP) with the objective of developing a verified product. Verification will be proven with successful firings from a submerged submarine scheduled end of 2014. According to the cooperation agreement, Roketsan will be responsible for development, qualification and series production of the IDAS warhead, support testing of CAS (Control Actuation System), participate in system level design activities and perform a work share in the series production of the CAS. A further partner is the Norwegian company Nammo, who is developing and producing the rocket motor.

The principle of IDAS was proven by successful controlled test firings from an underwater test facility in Northern Germany as well as from a HDW Class 212A submarine of the German Navy in the Baltic Sea. The project was awarded the Technology Prize of the German defence industry.

http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1035

 

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[LegionnairE]

FVCK YEAH! I was waiting for this ever since Germans developed the fvcking technology.

much better than to carry around useless SLBMs which will never be used. This will give our future Type214 fleet the means to counteract against ASW aircraft of the enemy. Be it fixed wing like P-8 orion or rotary wing like SH60 Seahawk.

 

[BeyondHeretic]

cool stuff , thanx for posting

it reminds me of tanks firing guided missiles from their barrel

 

[BeyondHeretic]

So from what I understand it's self defence for expensive german submarines , against aerial , land based and naval anti-submarine warfare?

 

[LegionnairE]

cool stuff , thanx for posting

it reminds me of tanks firing guided missiles from their barrel

Barrel-launched ATGMs like LAHAT just give the land units the means to receive remotely guided munitions when other support platforms aren't available. Pretty much works like artillery, this is way more important.

We have the most submarines in the Mediterranean and we are the only submarine user of the Black Sea. It'll give our submarines the means to counter any surface or air threat while submerged. In other words this will make them whole. They can operate without any help of any kind from the rest of the armed forces until they have to re-supply.

The beauty of this technology is that it won't require any modification to the subs We can just fire these munitions through 533mm torpedo tubes.

So from what I understand it's self defence for expensive german submarines , against aerial , land based and naval anti-submarine warfare?

Exactly, and Turkey happens to be the biggest German submarine user.

 

[BordoEnes]

FVCK YEAH! I was waiting for this ever since Germans developed the fvcking technology.

much better than to carry around useless SLBMs which will never be used. This will give our future Type214 fleet the means to counteract against ASW aircraft of the enemy. Be it fixed wing like P-8 orion or rotary wing like SH60 Seahawk.

I phucking jumped of my chair of excitement

With this, we will probably become the regions most powerfull navy (even surpassing Israeli navy, which only decent weapons was there Dolphins).

 

[BeyondHeretic]

Barrel-launched ATGMs like LAHAT just give the land units the means to receive remotely guided munitions when other support platforms aren't available. Pretty much works like artillery, this is way more important.

We have the most submarines in the Mediterranean and we are the only submarine user of the Black Sea. It'll give our submarines the means to counter any surface or air threat while submerged. In other words this will make them whole. They can operate without any help of any kind from the rest of the armed forces until they have to re-supply.

The beauty of this technology is that it won't require any modification to the subs We can just fire these munitions through 533mm torpedo tubes.


Exactly, and Turkey happens to be the biggest German submarine user.

Cool stuff , ......... good luck turkey

 

[LegionnairE]

I phucking jumped of my chair of excitement

With this, we will probably become the regions most powerfull navy (even surpassing Israeli navy, which only decent weapons was there Dolphins).

Please, they only operate dolphins to show-off their nuclear armed-SLBMs. Conventionally Israeli navy is more comparable with Turkish coastguard

Gosh this is perfect!

 

[BeyondHeretic]

I phucking jumped of my chair of excitement

With this, we will probably become the regions most powerfull navy (even surpassing Israeli navy, which only decent weapons was there Dolphins).

hopefully , turkey will use them against Israeli targets one day , like a tel aviv gay bar

Please, they only operate dolphins to show-off their nuclear armed-SLBMs. Conventionally Israeli navy is more comparable with Turkish coastguard

Gosh this is perfect!

even if Israel arms with tube launched guided missiles , they have to waste it on Hezbollah drones

 

[cabatli_53]

Roketsan develops solutions for foreign programs. That's great indeed.

-Partner of ESSM missiles
-Design/develop of indigenous rocket motor for Aspide missiles
-Design develop of indigenous rocket motor for Teseo missiles
-NSM missiles launcher
-Now, IDAS partnership

Roketsan reached impressive knowledge regarding missile systems...

 

[UkroTurk]

MICA and HISAR very similar.
We expect submarine based airdefence and som-er.
Turkey only misses nuclear weapon.

After that news, i understood that Turkey has been working a lot of projects.
Go Turkey go!

Also Mistral and Stinger very similar.

 

[Babur Han]

MICA and HISAR very similar.
We expect submarine based airdefence and som-er.
Turkey only misses nuclear weapon.

After that news, i understood that Turkey has been working a lot of projects.
Go Turkey go!

Also Mistral and Stinger very similar.

Submarines will be equippt with sub launched Gezgin strategic Cruise Missile, not with SOM-ER.

 

[UkroTurk]

It was my wish. But news from you great.thanks
How many miles Gezgin has range?

B...........2500km Roketsan GEZGIN-D Naval based Cruise Missile under development until 2020

Gezgin D Block 1 500 km
Gezgin D Block 2 800 km
Gezgin D Block 3 1000 km
Gezgin D Block 4 1500 km
Gezgin D Block 5 2500 km


C....3000km Roketsan GEZGIN-K Land based Cruise Missile under development until 2020

Gezgin K Block 1 800 km
Gezgin K Block 2 1000 km
Gezgin K Block 3 1500 km
Gezgin K Block 4 2500 km
Gezgin K Block 5 3000 km



If i am not wrong , Gezgin like a Tomahawk? or has active radar homing?

ANd last question: Nuclear capability of missile? )

WAFF | Greece & Turkey Defence Forum | World's Armed Forces Forum: News about SOM, ATMACA, Gezgin
The extended range SOM and cruise missile "Gezgin" will use the same turbofan engine (there is still no decission on which turbofan will be used)

Another important questions how will Gezgin launch from Turkish submarines, Turkish navy has only horizontal tubes.
They would be new submarines with vertical launchers?

 

[Babur Han]

It was my wish. But news from you great.thanks
How many miles Gezgin has range?

B...........2500km Roketsan GEZGIN-D Naval based Cruise Missile under development until 2020

Gezgin D Block 1 500 km
Gezgin D Block 2 800 km
Gezgin D Block 3 1000 km
Gezgin D Block 4 1500 km
Gezgin D Block 5 2500 km


C....3000km Roketsan GEZGIN-K Land based Cruise Missile under development until 2020

Gezgin K Block 1 800 km
Gezgin K Block 2 1000 km
Gezgin K Block 3 1500 km
Gezgin K Block 4 2500 km
Gezgin K Block 5 3000 km



If i am not wrong , Gezgin like a Tomahawk? or has active radar homing?

ANd last question: Nuclear capability of missile? )

WAFF | Greece & Turkey Defence Forum | World's Armed Forces Forum: News about SOM, ATMACA, Gezgin
The extended range SOM and cruise missile "Gezgin" will use the same turbofan engine (there is still no decission on which turbofan will be used)

As well SOM and Gezgin could be equippt with an nuclear Warhead, there are Variants of Tomahawk and Kh-55 who also carrie a nuclear Warhead ! It's not the Question if they can be equippt with an nuclear Warhead, rather if Turkey work on nuclear Weapons or will work on it in Future !

3000 km Land based Gezgin will not be enough to detter another Regional Power on the other Side of the mediterran, to take Action on a geostrategic Intersection. In this Case we only rely on Ship and Submarine based Gezgin LACM deployed in the Gulf of Gabes or Gulf of Hammamet. In this Case we can not only rely on tactical Fighters !

It's allready enough to strike deep inside Russia !